webfact Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 TNR Staff ON THE one-month anniversary of Mountain B pub inferno that killed 23 people yesterday (Sept. 5) Chonburi police said they have issued a summons for the electrician who ran the power system from the start of construction in preparation to file a joint negligence charge, Amarin TV said. Over 10 families of those who died or were injured came to the gutted pub to mourn for their loved ones while asking for fair treatment and urging the authorities to continue prosecuting the pub owner. Charges of negligence causing death and serious injury plus opening a service venue without permit have already been filed against Mr. Pongsiri Panprasong, or Sia B, 28, the pub owner, Ms Anongnat Panprasong, his wife, and Mr. Somyot Panprasong, or Sia Yot, 55, his father. All three were later bailed out. Full story: https://thainewsroom.com/2022/09/05/police-summon-mountain-b-pub-electrician-to-charge-him-with-negligence/ -- © Copyright THAI NEWSROOM 2022-09-06 - Cigna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. Monthly car subscription with first-class insurance, 24x7 assistance and more in one price - click here to find out more! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post richard_smith237 Posted September 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2022 Electrician ??? Are there such beings here ???... Isn’t it usually just someone’s mate of a mate who happens to have a screw-driver and some electrical tape ?? Of course, I’ve no idea IF the electrician who fitted Mountain B was qualified, however... IF someone is not a fully qualified / certified electrician, is it not the owners fault for employing someone unqualified on a property which is going to be used by the pubic ??? 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wiggy Posted September 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2022 Let the scapegoating begin…… 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinnieK Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 I believe this saga will play out for a decade Not much of an outcome at the end. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jerno Posted September 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2022 Who bought and installed the highly flammable ceiling tiles? Owner obviously approved that purchase. Electrician didn't. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ikke1959 Posted September 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2022 As usual everybody to blame... the electrician, the constructor next, the manufacturers... of the ceiling and curtains, tablea and doors and make the list longer.. and what about the officials, as there was no license? the police who did not check and enforce? and make the list longer...but the the owner/manager are responsible at first place 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf001 Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, ikke1959 said: and what about the officials, as there was no license? the police who did not check and enforce? The place was illegally adapted to a nightclub..... after the officials inspected and approved it as a restaurant. How are they at fault ? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jacko45k Posted September 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) Pick on the lowest guy in the food chain and blame him? Edited September 5, 2022 by jacko45k 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Geoffggi Posted September 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2022 2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: Electrician ??? Are there such beings here ???... Isn’t it usually just someone’s mate of a mate who happens to have a screw-driver and some electrical tape ?? Of course, I’ve no idea IF the electrician who fitted Mountain B was qualified, however... IF someone is not a fully qualified / certified electrician, is it not the owners fault for employing someone unqualified on a property which is going to be used by the pubic ??? Talk about the lowest hanging fruit first, What about the certifying authority? - Probably paid off, surely who ever certifies that the structure is sound, and all services including water, electrics, emergency exits, fire fighting equipment etc. have been checked, prior to issuance of said certificate - Just for a change start at the top & work downwards. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RichardColeman Posted September 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2022 3 hours ago, webfact said: issued a summons for the electrician who ran the power system from the start of construction in preparation to file a joint negligence charge Corporate manslaughter would be better 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stoner Posted September 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2022 ahhh good old thai people. can't take responsibility or blame so pass the buck at all costs. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Moti24 Posted September 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2022 3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: .....Of course, I’ve no idea IF the electrician who fitted Mountain B was qualified,.... About 12 years ago, I rented a new house, just outside Bangkok, three-pin sockets in all rooms. After getting a tiny shock from the casing of my PC, I checked the wiring - The consumer unit had an earth wire connected from the outside of the house, but only 2-core cable had been used from the consumer unit around the house. Qualified or not, I don't think it makes a difference; nobody checks qualifications, nor ongoing work. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: Electrician ??? Are there such beings here ???... Isn’t it usually just someone’s mate of a mate who happens to have a screw-driver and some electrical tape ?? Of course, I’ve no idea IF the electrician who fitted Mountain B was qualified, however... IF someone is not a fully qualified / certified electrician, is it not the owners fault for employing someone unqualified on a property which is going to be used by the pubic ??? https://www.vocationaltraininghq.com/vocational-training-in-thailand/ There is training as above....however, most are not...they pick it up as they go......houses burn...fuse boxes explode and people die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Geoffggi said: Talk about the lowest hanging fruit first, What about the certifying authority? - Probably paid off, surely who ever certifies that the structure is sound, and all services including water, electrics, emergency exits, fire fighting equipment etc. have been checked, prior to issuance of said certificate - Just for a change start at the top & work downwards. The article says that the electrician - and I use that term loosely - 'fixed' something on the day of the fire. My impression is that the whole of Thailand is an accident waiting to happen, judging from the work I've personally seen here. Just look at the number of fires that are blamed on a 'short circuit'. Of course, all the others you mention are to blame too. But so many in Thailand are just not interested in doing a job well - including electricians - whether they are paid to look the other way or not. It's deeply ingrained into the culture that near enough will do. Sometimes it won't and people die. But no-one really seems to care. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: fully qualified / certified electrician Is there something like this in Thailand? And I am not joking, I would be interested if someone, at least in theory, have such certificate. And what does that mean? And are there any official regulations which have to be followed? Just looking at the colors of the wires in many installations is a horror story. But is it regulated? Can an "electrician" be fined for making a mess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cake Monster Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: Electrician ??? Are there such beings here ???... Isn’t it usually just someone’s mate of a mate who happens to have a screw-driver and some electrical tape ?? Of course, I’ve no idea IF the electrician who fitted Mountain B was qualified, however... IF someone is not a fully qualified / certified electrician, is it not the owners fault for employing someone unqualified on a property which is going to be used by the pubic ??? Certainly in Europe and elsewhere in the developed World, anybody that is pertaining to be an " Electrician " would carry their own Insurance Policies against Public Liability and damage, Etc, Etc. But here in Thailand, there would almost certainly be no Insurance carried by Somchai, who wired up the place on the cheap, as it was not planting season yet for the Paddy Rice. However, that does not take away from the people that Employed him, the duty of care they must show towards the Public that will use the Venue. Just another part of this horrendous JigSaw of Corruption and Greed that has engulfed Thailand, and needs further Investigation of the Owners Re| - Did they Employ him to wire the place ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidneyw Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Yep, sh$t does flow downhill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennw Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 3 hours ago, ikke1959 said: As usual everybody to blame... the electrician, the constructor next, the manufacturers... of the ceiling and curtains, tablea and doors and make the list longer.. and what about the officials, as there was no license? the police who did not check and enforce? and make the list longer...but the the owner/manager are responsible at first place But, there is a lot of responsibility to go around and they should bear their share. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailand49 Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Based on the comments here that is exactly why we have a field day with their logic! If the owners got cheap with the sound proofing " certified electrician " I wonder how you going to prove the actual work? " is this your work " " Mai " bye! He said she said! Lots of burn out extension cords. Pretty much what you would find at any local market you think the over hanging wired are bad????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leither69 Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Ralf001 said: The place was illegally adapted to a nightclub..... after the officials inspected and approved it as a restaurant. How are they at fault ? Because a regular inspection should take place of all licensed premises. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwill Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: Of course, I’ve no idea IF the electrician who fitted Mountain B was qualified, however... IF someone is not a fully qualified / certified electrician, is it not the owners fault for employing someone unqualified on a property which is going to be used by the pubic ??? Normally you hire a general contractor, (called a Chang). The general contractor is then the one hiring the workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actonion Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 My Thai brother in law was a "qualified certified" Electrician employed by the Electric company of Thailand........he was electrocuted, and died fixing a problem on an electric post !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikke1959 Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Ralf001 said: The place was illegally adapted to a nightclub..... after the officials inspected and approved it as a restaurant. How are they at fault ? for the same reason the electrician is charged.... they had to control if it was really a restaurant and act as it became a nightclub.. It is endless for Thai people to blame other people, so let us do it too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adumbration Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Oh well done. They have found their scapegoat. How about suing the government official that should have inspected the electrical installation before commission. Or for that matter the person that installed the sound insulation panels that were not fire rated or the government building inspector that should of checked the ratings on the panels. Or the idiots that would have plugged a trillion different amps and other appliances in to overload the power outlets around the stage and cause the subsequent spark that ignited the lethal blaze. So predictable and so <deleted> pathetic. Rich guy who built this illegal venue will walk free. And some poor somchai sparky is earmarked to take the fall. So predictable, and so disgusting. Perhaps they were able to find an electrician who worked on the place that was Burmese? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Ralf001 said: The place was illegally adapted to a nightclub..... after the officials inspected and approved it as a restaurant. How are they at fault ? There should be a process where these things are regularly checked by a variety of governmental agencies. Same as in many other countries. And in many there's automatic continuous matching of computer data held/being continuously built which highlights 'blips'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrogaz Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Uh oh! I see a 500 baht fine coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Meeseeks Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Who signed off on all the electrical work? ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Meeseeks Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said: Uh oh! I see a 500 baht fine coming up. Don't forget a ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTB1977 Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 (edited) I see where this is heading. Every Tom, Dick and Harry that they hired to do work or supply materials to build this bar will be liable. The owners are the real victims here. Edited September 6, 2022 by BTB1977 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf001 Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 38 minutes ago, scorecard said: There should be a process where these things are regularly checked by a variety of governmental agencies. Same as in many other countries. I agree 100%. But is there a process for post inspection? I suspect not so once again.... why should the inspectors be held accountable ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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