Indian man agrees to pay 200k baht to dance teacher over inappropriate touch on Pattaya Walking Street

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By Tanakorn Panyadee

Pattaya — An Indian man agreed to pay a Thai dance teacher 200,000 baht over an inappropriate touch on Pattaya Walking Street yesterday night, but police said he would still get charged as well.

 

Pol. Maj. Thanya Udthong summoned Ms. NC (alias), a 43-year-old dance teacher, and the suspect identified by police as Mr. Sandeep, a 51-year-old Indian suspect, whom Ms. NC claimed inappropriately touched/grabbed her on Walking Street last night, September 6th.

 

After being detained at the Pattaya police station, Mr. Sandeep asked the police to negotiate directly with the victim again, to which the victim agreed.

 

Full story: https://thepattayanews.com/2022/09/07/update-indian-man-agrees-to-pay-200k-baht-to-dance-teacher-over-inappropriate-touch-on-pattaya-walking-street/

 

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[Mac Mickmanus]

I wonder whether the posters who thought that it was the woman's fault for going out so late  at night and sort of deserved to get groped will now change their mind now its been revealed the perpetrator was an Indian ?

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I wonder whether the posters who thought that it was the woman's fault for going out so late  at night and sort of deserved to get groped will now change their mind now its been revealed the perpetrator was an Indian ?

Nope....  his nationality is irrelevant with regards to a person going out into an area well known for its 'hedonistic and wild vibe’ and being shocked when people behave poorly.

 

Perhaps it is because the guy was Indian that the lady took so much affront...  

Irrelevant perhaps, it should not have happened anyway.

 

But... how ‘severe’ was the inappropriate touch?... a slap on the backside or a full on motorboating !!!

 

200,000 baht is extortionate... But.. if it happened to my Wife...  hmmm.. Who am I kidding?, my Wife would never been seen dead in an area like that...  Why?... because this is the sort of thing that can happen. 

 

 

 

The outstanding question remains: ‘what was the inappropriate touch’  ???? 

 

[SAFETY FIRST]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

agreed to pay a Thai dance teacher 200,000 baht over an inappropriate touch

Great article Tanakorn Panyadee, let's make these women aware that they can report these offenders. 

 

Should be more of these women come forward and report these offenders. 

 

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Should be more of these women report these offenders. 

 

Is this something that happens regularly ????

 

I imagine 200,000 baht is a good incentive ... there will be more... 

 

...  the me too-hundred thousand baht movement... 

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Nope....  his nationality is irrelevant with regards to a person going out into an area well known for its 'hedonistic and wild vibe’ and being shocked when people behave poorly.

 

Perhaps it is because the guy was Indian that the lady took so much affront...  

Irrelevant perhaps, it should not have happened anyway.

 

But... how ‘severe’ was the inappropriate touch?... a slap on the backside or a full on motorboating !!!

 

200,000 baht is extortionate... But.. if it happened to my Wife...  hmmm.. Who am I kidding?, my Wife would never been seen dead in an area like that...  Why?... because this is the sort of thing that can happen. 

 

 

 

The outstanding question remains: ‘what was the inappropriate touch’  ???? 

 

So you would happily accept it if he had groped you and you wouldn't mind at all ?

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Nope....  his nationality is irrelevant with regards to a person going out into an area well known for its 'hedonistic and wild vibe’ and being shocked when people behave poorly.

 

Perhaps it is because the guy was Indian that the lady took so much affront...  

Irrelevant perhaps, it should not have happened anyway.

 

But... how ‘severe’ was the inappropriate touch?... a slap on the backside or a full on motorboating !!!

 

200,000 baht is extortionate... But.. if it happened to my Wife...  hmmm.. Who am I kidding?, my Wife would never been seen dead in an area like that...  Why?... because this is the sort of thing that can happen. 

 

 

 

The outstanding question remains: ‘what was the inappropriate touch’  ???? 

 

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So you would happily accept it if he had groped you and you wouldn't mind at all ?

You've never walked down walking street or other ‘red light areas’ of Pattaya and been ‘groped’ by Ladyboys and bar-girls ??? - its difficult to avoid - and no, I don’t like it, but it comes with he territory ?

 

So..  the next foreigner who walks down Walking street and gets their crotch grabbed by a ladyboy, can they report it and get 200,000 baht ???

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

For the record - I believe anyone should be free to go anywhere they please (legally) and be free from inappropriate and illegal behaviour. 

 

At the same time, I also believe people have to be realistic and look after themselves.

 

The issue is somewhat more complex than the ‘black and white’ arguments we have read in the other thread...  Life exists beyond absolutes of the black and white world of right and wrong... Life exists in the grey area, issues become multifaceted, they overlap, intertwine, there is accountability... 

 

In this case the behaviour of the man was clearly wrong, but the lady also carries a certain amount or moral accountability to herself for placing herself in such an area in the first place.  

 

Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but that is the reality of the real world beyond absolutes. 

 

 

 

I’d never take my Wife to such an area, and there’s a reason why. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

26 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

You've never walked down walking street or other ‘red light areas’ of Pattaya and been ‘groped’ by Ladyboys and bar-girls ??? - its difficult to avoid - and no, I don’t like it, but it comes with he territory ?

 

So..  the next foreigner who walks down Walking street and gets their crotch grabbed by a ladyboy, can they report it and get 200,000 baht ???

 

No, I have never been to Pattaya and I have never been groped by anyone , let alone a ladyboy .

   Sexual assault is sexual assault and anyone who gropes another person should be arrested and charged 

[SAFETY FIRST]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Sexual assault is sexual assault and anyone who gropes another person should be arrested and charged 

Agree but there are special circumstances, like when I'm drinking in the corner of a GoGo bar with 2 beautifully young ladies that repeatedly grope me. 

 

 

SECURITY ????

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, SAFETY FIRST said:

Agree but there are special circumstances, like when I'm sitting in the corner of a GoGo bar with 2 beautifully young ladies that repeatedly grope me. 

 

Its quite different when you are in an establishment that offers prostitution , there groping can be seen as being part of their job and that's why you go there for .

   Its a different situation when a person is  in public and isn't in the sex trade

[cdemundo]

Expensive game of grabxss.

 

[1FinickyOne]

56 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Perhaps it is because the guy was Indian that the lady took so much affront...  

Irrelevant perhaps, it should not have happened anyway.

Yes, it should never happened - - - but it does remind me of how many times I have walked down Sukhumvit in Bkk and had an Indian roper outside a tailor shop actually grab me and physically detain me hoping to sell me a suit. I really hated when they did that and have not had that happen with any other nationality... a couple of times they got very physical way beyond what it should have... 

[FarangFB]

I'm all up for a punishment for a random grope of a woman, but how the hell one grope is worth 200k in damages while the life of someone burned to death due to multiple negligent actions is worth 50k?

[redwood1]

200,000 Baht?.........No way......I smell a rat here....

 

2,000 sure ok.....

 

20,000 absolute max, I would doubt even this....

 

But 200,000  sounds like propaganda...

[Andylongtime]

If he offered 1000bht he could have had her for the entire night silly man 

[steven100]

This really is ridiculous ......  and I was correct in my previous post, she seen $$ signs. 

So from now on all you bar stool beer swilling guys better carry dozens of copies of NDA's for the bar girls to sign before they sit and chat with you ....  to avoid any liability. 

 

pathetic ....   this was all about $$

[Gerard052]

17 minutes ago, Andylongtime said:

If he offered 1000bht he could have had her for the entire night silly man 

I guess it depends how much the corrupted cops are going to put in their pockets.  I agree 1,000 Bahts is pretty well the norm in Pattaya.

[redwood1]

Before you grope a lady on walking street you should buy her a lady's drink first...

[flexomike]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

So you would happily accept it if he had groped you and you wouldn't mind at all ?

For 200,000 he could have given me a grope, but then he would have been knocked on his ass

[BangersBob]

I lived and worked in India for 5 years, and what I learned was:

 

Delhi is known as 'The rape capital of the world'

Women cannot walk alone safely after dark

Trains have to have 'Women Only' carriages to avoid harassment by male commuters

The term for Sexual Harassment is 'Eve Teasing'

Senior judges publicly blame women for being raped because they wore provacative clothing

 

And India is a key countries for Thai tourism.

 

I don't blame the victim, but I do blame the Thai Tourist Authority.

 

And I bet the guy was totally shocked when a woman made a formal complaint about his behaviour.  At least the news coverage about the fine may help to drag Indian males a bit nearer to the 21st Century.

[SiamAndy]

The perpetrator: It was all a misunderstanding, I saw a straw in her back pocket and needed one for the drink I just bought from 7-11.  I went to grab the straw from her back pocket and accidentally touched her. 

[ozz1]

That's a lot of gold necklaces to claim for

[scubascuba3]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I wonder whether the posters who thought that it was the woman's fault for going out so late  at night and sort of deserved to get groped will now change their mind now its been revealed the perpetrator was an Indian ?

which posters said it was the woman's fault? can't see any posts.

 

A female friend of mine travelled round India and she got groped often, in buses to the point where she stopped resisting, so sounds like a widespread hobby there

[tandor]

6 minutes ago, ozz1 said:

That's a lot of gold necklaces to claim for

 

5 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

which posters said it was the woman's fault? can't see any posts.

 

A female friend of mine travelled round India and she got groped often, in buses to the point where she stopped resisting, so sounds like a widespread hobby there

...kids in a sweet shop.

[ikke1959]

I am wondering how they calculated this amount of money ... 200k is very overpaid or is it because it is a foreigner?? Than it is a good advertisement for the tourism. after non solving robberies now extreem payments for..........

[roo860]

27 minutes ago, BangersBob said:

I lived and worked in India for 5 years, and what I learned was:

 

Delhi is known as 'The rape capital of the world'

Women cannot walk alone safely after dark

Trains have to have 'Women Only' carriages to avoid harassment by male commuters

The term for Sexual Harassment is 'Eve Teasing'

Senior judges publicly blame women for being raped because they wore provacative clothing

 

And India is a key countries for Thai tourism.

 

I don't blame the victim, but I do blame the Thai Tourist Authority.

 

And I bet the guy was totally shocked when a woman made a formal complaint about his behaviour.  At least the news coverage about the fine may help to drag Indian males a bit nearer to the 21st Century.

100%, was there for 2 yrs. Met plenty of western women who were groped, one girl was on a sleeper train felt something wet on her face, Indian guy had deleted on her.

[RichardColeman]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

An Indian man agreed to pay a Thai dance teacher 200,000 baht over an inappropriate touch on Pattaya Walking Street yesterday night, but police said he would still get charged as well.

 

Sounds like a complete idiot agreeing to pay AND get charged

[Scouse123]

He can grope me for 200,000 baht....Twice!

 

????

[Gecko123]

 

I would say that the setting in which the offense occurred should be taken into consideration when assessing damages.

 

If a person knowingly takes a walk at 3 am in an internationally famous red-light district where freelance sex workers:

(1) ply their trade openly on the street;

(2) frequently exchange non-consensual physical and sexual contact with potential customers;

(3) often dress in everyday street attire; and

(4) where foreign tourists are known to drink to excess, and

(5) at a time when their inebriation is likely to be at it's peak,

 

then the standards of behavior in that setting should be considered when assessing damages and penalties. If his behavior might otherwise have been deemed acceptable had the woman been a sex worker, the fact that the victim voluntarily placed herself in that environment should be considered when assessing damages.

 

The key is whether what he did would have been acceptable behavior had the victim been a sex worker. While a sex worker might have tolerated a pat on the bottom, few would have found an intrusive genital groping to be acceptable, and obviously anything more aggressive or intrusive would be universally unacceptable.

 

Without knowing the full nature of the assault, it is hard to say whether 200K damages is justified. For the record I'm NOT saying she didn't have a right to be there, or that she shouldn't have filed charges. I'm merely saying that the setting where the assault took place and the victim's willingness to put herself in that setting needs to be taken into consideration when assessing damages.