Mystery leaks hit Russian undersea gas pipelines to Europe

[Bkk Brian]

19 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Different explosions can be when one incident sets of the next one 

Yes, there are indications of sabotage, but I'll wait with my judgement.

Two separate pipelines with 2 separate explosions each and leaks within hours of each other. Leaves little to the imagination other than sabotage to every single official and expert both West and Russian

[stevenl]

14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Two separate pipelines with 2 separate explosions each and leaks within hours of each other. Leaves little to the imagination other than sabotage to every single official and expert both West and Russian

But they're still saying there are indications. None of them has come out with 'beyond doubt, sabotage'.

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

But they're still saying there are indications. None of them has come out with 'beyond doubt, sabotage'.

Well Putin said it was "anglo saxons" responsible

Biden says it was sabotage.

 

European and NATO officials are blaming sabotage

 

source

[Gweiloman]

Retired US army colonel and state senator believes CIA responsible for the bombing.

 

https://schillerinstitute.com/blog/2022/10/04/video-us-col-richard-black-asks-did-u-s-nato-blow-up-the-nord-stream-pipelines/

 

I believe he must be an anti-US propagandist, like Sachs.

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20 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Retired US army colonel and state senator believes CIA responsible for the bombing.

 

https://schillerinstitute.com/blog/2022/10/04/video-us-col-richard-black-asks-did-u-s-nato-blow-up-the-nord-stream-pipelines/

 

I believe he must be an anti-US propagandist, like Sachs.

Not surprising that the Schiller Institute would host this rightwing loon

 

'The Schiller Institute is closely tied to Lyndon LaRouche. A biography of LaRouche hosted on institute's website states that "[i]t is his work and his ideas, that inspired the creation of the international Schiller Institute, as well as his intellectual and moral leadership that continue to set the standard for the policies and activity of the movement."[8]...

 An internal London Metropolitan Police (Scotland Yard) letter, obtained by the BBC's Newsnight during a British investigation into the death says: "The Schiller Institute and the LaRouche Youth Movement... blames the Jewish people for the Iraq war and all the other problems in the world"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schiller_Institute

 

Black is also a big fan of the Syrian government

 

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Retired US army colonel and state senator believes CIA responsible for the bombing.

 

https://schillerinstitute.com/blog/2022/10/04/video-us-col-richard-black-asks-did-u-s-nato-blow-up-the-nord-stream-pipelines/

 

I believe he must be an anti-US propagandist, like Sachs.

Yep, indeed he does.

 

The website by the Schiller Institute "The Schiller Institute was accused of spreading antisemitic conspiracy theories. An internal London Metropolitan Police (Scotland Yard) letter, obtained by the BBC's Newsnight during a British investigation into the death says: "The Schiller Institute and the LaRouche Youth Movement... blames the Jewish people for the Iraq war and all the other problems in the world. Jeremiah's lecture notes and bulletins showed the antisemitic nature of [the] ideology."[6] The German newspaper Berliner Zeitung categorizes the Schiller Institute as antisemitic."

 

Some previous predictions of the Institute:

"In March 2009, the Danish branch of the institute distributed flyers at a climate change conference in Copenhagen which asserted that 'British Climate lies will lead to Genocide', stating that the Bush administration had been a puppet of the British Empire, that "solar activity, not human activity, is the main factor in the Earth's changing climate," and that "massive investment in windmills and solar panels" to combat climate change would create genocide by raising the price of food."

 

Ex US Col. Richard Black

One of the loudest Republican supporters of Russia and Assad announces his retirement

One of the most outspoken defenders of Syria’s dictator and Russia’s propaganda machine has announced his retirement from the Virginia State Senate.

While Black isn’t a household name, he has made a name for himself in national security circles for the past few years. He became an outspoken defender of Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad and Russian propaganda alike, and lately took on a notable role in pushing pro-Trump conspiracy theories about former FBI official Andrew McCabe.

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

On 10/5/2022 at 5:46 PM, Gweiloman said:

 

Yes very predictable from you using conspiracy theorists (Dick Black) and the The Schiller Institute to promote your anti west agenda followed by a deleted tweet from a Polish Minister....

 

No charges to respond to, you've got nothing

[Bkk Brian]

Instead of more speculating and pure false accusations from anti west proponents better to wait for the investigation:

 

Sweden sends diving vessel to investigate Nord Stream pipelines after leak

Oct. 5, 2022

Smaller leaks from Nord Stream 2 may be continuing, contrary to earlier reports

 

Swedish Navy spokesman Capt. Jimmie Adamsson said a submarine rescue ship had been sent to the site of the leaks off Sweden and was supporting the Swedish coast guard, which is leading the probe. 

Sweden’s prosecuting authority and the Swedish Security Services are heading an investigation, while Copenhagen police were in charge of an inquiry in Denmark. A joint international investigation team from Denmark, Germany and Sweden, among others, has also been established.

https://www.offshore-mag.com/regional-reports/north-sea-europe/article/14283776/sweden-sends-diving-vessel-to-investigate-nord-stream-pipelines-after-leak

[metisdead]

Off topic deflection posts and replies about the Chinese Abuses of the Uyghurs in Xinjiang have been removed. 

 

This topic is about:

 

Mystery leaks hit Russian undersea gas pipelines to Europe

 

 

[Gweiloman]

9 minutes ago, metisdead said:

Off topic deflection posts and replies about the Chinese Abuses of the Uyghurs in Xinjiang have been removed. 

 

This topic is about:

 

Mystery leaks hit Russian undersea gas pipelines to Europe

 

 

My apologies.

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes very predictable from you using conspiracy theorists (Dick Black) and the The Schiller Institute to promote your anti west agenda followed by a deleted tweet from a Polish Minister....

 

No charges to respond to, you've got nothing

Wonder why he deleted his post. Could be pressure from his masters. Or maybe he’s another anti propagandist.

 

Ps: I’m hoping this post is on topic as it deals directly with the leaks.

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Instead of more speculating and pure false accusations from anti west proponents better to wait for the investigation:

 

Sweden sends diving vessel to investigate Nord Stream pipelines after leak

Oct. 5, 2022

Smaller leaks from Nord Stream 2 may be continuing, contrary to earlier reports

 

Swedish Navy spokesman Capt. Jimmie Adamsson said a submarine rescue ship had been sent to the site of the leaks off Sweden and was supporting the Swedish coast guard, which is leading the probe. 

Sweden’s prosecuting authority and the Swedish Security Services are heading an investigation, while Copenhagen police were in charge of an inquiry in Denmark. A joint international investigation team from Denmark, Germany and Sweden, among others, has also been established.

https://www.offshore-mag.com/regional-reports/north-sea-europe/article/14283776/sweden-sends-diving-vessel-to-investigate-nord-stream-pipelines-after-leak

I’m willing to bet, if a report is ever released, the the findings will be inconclusive. This is tantamount to admitting that they’ve discovered whodunnit but cannot say for obvious reasons.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I’m willing to bet, if a report is ever released, the the findings will be inconclusive. This is tantamount to admitting that they’ve discovered whodunnit but cannot say for obvious reasons.

It will be a fair, unbiased and thorough investigation given any evidence that may or may not be there. The are no obvious reasons for any outcome other than those who like to make unfounded predictions.

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Wonder why he deleted his post. Could be pressure from his masters. Or maybe he’s another anti propagandist.

 

Ps: I’m hoping this post is on topic as it deals directly with the leaks.

Wonder away I'm sure you'll think of something eventually

[Gweiloman]

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Wonder away I'm sure you'll think of something eventually

Actually the whole world knows why, it’s just that some are too biased to acknowledge it.

[asereg123]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

It will be a fair, unbiased and thorough investigation given any evidence that may or may not be there.

Like the 9/11 Commission?

[Gweiloman]

15 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

It will be a fair, unbiased and thorough investigation given any evidence that may or may not be there. The are no obvious reasons for any outcome other than those who like to make unfounded predictions.

Of course. Everything that’s done by the collective west will be fair and unbiased. 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, asereg123 said:

Like the 9/11 Commission?

No like Sweden supporting the Swedish coast guard, which is leading the probe. 

[asereg123]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

No like Sweden supporting the Swedish coast guard, which is leading the probe. 

I do hope so!

[gearbox]

13 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I’m willing to bet, if a report is ever released, the the findings will be inconclusive. This is tantamount to admitting that they’ve discovered whodunnit but cannot say for obvious reasons.

It doesn't really matter who did it in the end, whatever is done is done, there is no way back.

 

However the German politicians are not happy with the gas prices..

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/05/german-minister-criticizes-us-over-astronomical-natural-gas-prices.html

 

And the German voters are even less happier..

 

https://www.thelocal.de/20220821/majority-of-germans-dissatisfied-with-government-and-scholz-poll/

 

Europe is slowly moving towards the far right and the far left again. If the far right gains enough in Germany it would be game over for EU.

[Gweiloman]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No like Sweden supporting the Swedish coast guard, which is leading the probe. 

Actually, most Swedes that I’ve met (many of them as I spent a lot of time in Stockholm) are people of integrity and honour. I hope they won’t be corrupted. 

[Bkk Brian]

 

On 10/5/2022 at 7:58 PM, Gweiloman said:

Actually the whole world knows why, it’s just that some are too biased to acknowledge it.

Sweden sends diving vessel to investigate Nord Stream pipelines after leak

Oct. 5, 2022

[Gweiloman]

On 10/5/2022 at 8:06 PM, gearbox said:

It doesn't really matter who did it in the end, whatever is done is done, there is no way back.

 

However the German politicians are not happy with the gas prices..

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/05/german-minister-criticizes-us-over-astronomical-natural-gas-prices.html

 

And the German voters are even less happier..

 

https://www.thelocal.de/20220821/majority-of-germans-dissatisfied-with-government-and-scholz-poll/

 

Europe is slowly moving towards the far right and the far left again. If the far right gains enough in Germany it would be game over for EU.

Cracks are beginning to appear in the EU solidarity. It’s a question of when Europe realises  that they have been duped. 
 

I read another report that energy prices in the US is going up as well. The LNG suppliers would naturally prefer to sell their gas to Europe at a higher price.

 

Another beneficiary is China who has 25 year contracts with US LNG suppliers but resells it to Europe at spot prices. Cunning...

[Eleftheros]

The Western media has gone extremely quiet on this story, which would hardly be expected if it could be pinned on Russia or its allies. Methinks they doth protest too little.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Eleftheros said:

The Western media has gone extremely quiet on this story, which would hardly be expected if it could be pinned on Russia or its allies. Methinks they doth protest too little.

The western media released statements today, I've not seen anything in Russian press for days

[Gweiloman]

On 10/5/2022 at 8:08 PM, Bkk Brian said:

 

 

Sweden sends diving vessel to investigate Nord Stream pipelines after leak

Oct. 5, 2022

Ok, I retract my use of the word know and replace it with suspect. 

Everything I’ve said have been substantiated by lots of evidence repeated by lots of experts. You have your opinions, they may or may not be right...

[gearbox]

On 10/5/2022 at 8:15 PM, Gweiloman said:

Cracks are beginning to appear in the EU solidarity. It’s a question of when Europe realises  that they have been duped. 
 

I read another report that energy prices in the US is going up as well. The LNG suppliers would naturally prefer to sell their gas to Europe at a higher price.

 

Another beneficiary is China who has 25 contracts with US LNG suppliers but resells it to Europe at spot prices. Cunning...

That sounds right as many Asian energy multinationals and state energy companies have long term contracts with the Australian LNG producers. The gas prices are linked to the price of oil, but the price of oil didn't go that high. Not hard to imagine if they have surplus they would sell it at the spot market.

[Gweiloman]

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The western media released statements today, I've not seen anything in Russian press for days

I guess Russia is not permitted to do any investigations considering where the explosions took place, thus there is nothing they can say other than that it’s absurd and stupid for them to bomb their own pipelines when they can just turn the tap. I do think they have a point.

[Bkk Brian]

On 10/5/2022 at 8:19 PM, Gweiloman said:

Ok, I retract my use of the word know and replace it with suspect. 
 

Everything I’ve said have been substantiated by lots of evidence repeated by lots of experts. You have your opinions, they may or may not be right...

Nothing you've said is substantiated by evidence as there is no evidence on who did this yet just opinions.

[Eleftheros]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The western media released statements today, I've not seen anything in Russian press for days

The media is supposed to do more than release statements - it's supposed to investigate.

 

Major stories like this would usually spawn a raft of questioning articles every day - but nowadays that only happens if it is a story that fits the approved narrative.