British family makes desperate plea for grandfather seriously ill in Thailand

[mania]

7 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

It says he was planning to go home to live with his daughter.  Perhaps he was "self-insure" up until a point and then decided to go home to get taken care of.  Why is that such a bad thing?  Not everyone expects to suddenly be taken ill.

 

Would you really have sympathy in different circumstances?

Come on he either self insures (Has a large account $$$ dedicated to that)

Or he is flying on fumes, wing & a prayer

 

Yes of course none expect to suddenly be ill or have their house burn down or have a car smash into theirs

Which is why they buy insurance

[mania]

7 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

How does a 77 year old with COPD get insurance  in Thailand ???

 

 

 

 

 

Dont roll the dice if you cant pay the price...Plan ahead it is a get it your dang self service life ????

 

But please feel free to contact the family in the article & help pay the bill & good on you ????

[Jonathan Swift]

15 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

I have some sympathy for the poor guy. That one is a killer.

I too suffer from COPD and there is not a lot that the docs here can do.

Even if he has insurance, eventually, the insurance companies stop paying out.

Good luck sir.

Sympathy for you as well sir. Very sad. "Spock" Leonard Nimoy died of it as you may know.

[Jonathan Swift]

21 minutes ago, mania said:

Dont roll the dice if you cant pay the price...Plan ahead it is a get it your dang self service life ????

 

But please feel free to contact the family in the article & help pay the bill & good on you ????

Your comment is despicably shallow and lacking in compassion. He had it covered - he had planned to move back, but fate intervened. 

[Jonathan Swift]

13 hours ago, PremiumLane said:

Fancy reading one article, judging someone by it and loudly proclaiming you have no sympathy - did your mum not warm your milk or something this morning? 

Yeah, comments sections are populated by such shallow and despicable people. They take pleasure in judging, it makes them feel superior, though they clearly are anything but. Like their counterparts in America whom I sought to escape from when I moved here. 

[moe666]

13 hours ago, roo860 said:

You know what league both these teams played in? No you don't, It's better sometimes to keep your comments to yourself when you know nothing about the guys past life and what he actually did.

Spot on, when he played there was no big salary. More thsn likely the DT walked around at the end of the game handing out the money depending on the how many people paid to get in.

[moe666]

A friend here in Thailand died earlier this year. After being confirmed with lung cancer the Dr. asked if he wanted treatment he says no mate just keep the pain down. As the pain beame to much he says give me the shot he was dead later that day. Frank lived a good life and didn't want to suffer the treatment.

[hotchilli]

17 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I would disagree, I don't expect (nor desire) to live to age 77.

But I would like to choose where I die, which is not in a UK nursing home.

No need to run up expensive medical bills, accept death when it comes.

 

I don't 'self-insure' or have any insurance, and don't intend to pay for long term medical care. It's not required, at 66 I've already had my life.

While you are welcome to your opinion and lifestyle, things don't always go to plan.

should you fall ill and go unconscious you may well wake-up in hospital facing a rather large medical bill.

 

[DBath]

13 hours ago, sead said:

It's even more sad that after all millions he made he couldn't afford a good insurance. Or am I missing something 

I would say, “yes, you are missing a brain cell or two…”.

Speculate much????

[SAFETY FIRST]

2 hours ago, moe666 said:

A friend here in Thailand died earlier this year. After being confirmed with lung cancer the Dr. asked if he wanted treatment he says no mate just keep the pain down. As the pain beame to much he says give me the shot he was dead later that day. Frank lived a good life and didn't want to suffer the treatment.

I hope Frank paid his way, his treatment, wasn't a burden on Thailand's fragile health system due to the many bloody penny pinching, cheap, lousy foreigners coming to Thailand to enjoy themselves then finding they have health issues, getting treatment then doing a runner, leaving their expensive medical bills for the Thai's to pay.

 

Lots of freeloaders in the world these days and too many of these types coming to Thailand. 

 

[SAFETY FIRST]

Another divided post. 

 

It's clear we have 2 types of members here. 

 

1. Those that pay their way 

 

2. Those who rely on others to pay. 

Deadbeats 

 

[TropicalGuy]

17 hours ago, mania said:

I am guessing this is one of those "I self insure" guys who always post here

Or the type that always say well if something bad happens I can just fly home & get treated for free

 

Sorry 0 Sympathy????

Yeah he was really gambling heavily at the casino of life by coming to Thailand with two serious pre- conditions and without insurance …. and lost big time unfortunately. 

[ukrules]

4 hours ago, Jonathan Swift said:

Yeah, comments sections are populated by such shallow and despicable people. They take pleasure in judging, it makes them feel superior, though they clearly are anything but. Like their counterparts in America whom I sought to escape from when I moved here. 

The scum really come out in this place when someone needs a little help.

[mania]

4 hours ago, Jonathan Swift said:

Your comment is despicably shallow and lacking in compassion. He had it covered - he had planned to move back, but fate intervened. 

Oh come on! Open a dictionary as your definition of "had it covered" is faulty

 

He was living in Thailand without insurance period that is not covered & "planning" to move is not any closer to "having it covered"

 

[JimTripper]

????

Sad. He was getting ready to go home to die around family and never made it.

[Lacessit]

6 hours ago, steven100 said:

lighten up ....   It was a joke.  Life is too short to be that serious as far as i'm concerned.   

Yeah, snipers invariably try to pass off their barbs as a joke when they get called out.

They remind me of the Flanders and Swann line " Always be sincere, whether you mean it or not."

[DBath]

47 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Another divided post. 

 

It's clear we have 2 types of members here. 

 

1. Those that pay their way 

 

2. Those who rely on others to pay. 

Deadbeats 

 

Based on your other posts here on this thread, I would say there are 3 types….

 

The third are those - like you - that make grand assumptions based on very limited information. 

[SAFETY FIRST]

5 hours ago, DBath said:

Based on your other posts here on this thread, I would say there are 3 types….

 

The third are those - like you - that make grand assumptions based on very limited information. 

No mate, no third type. 

 

We'll see a few of the type 2's soon, by the reactions you receive from your disrespectful comment. 

 

Too many deadbeats and freeloaders in Thailand now.

 

[bristolgeoff]

Another go fund me appeal sorry you live in thailand u need insurance if something happens that u know off.If ill go back to the uk for treatment and don,t beg for help.How many people just keep doing this please help the medical billls are rising.

[BritManToo]

9 hours ago, Irish made said:

You must have had a horrible life if you’re ready to check out at 66 ,

No, I've already been everywhere and done everything and it was great.

Most of my pals have already died, and well before 60.

Best to have everything done well before 60, when you're fit and able IMHO.

[JimTripper]

11 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

No, I've already been everywhere and done everything and it was great.

Most of my pals have already died, and well before 60.

Best to have everything done well before 60, when you're fit and able IMHO.

Do it a 2nd time. You may not get another chance. ????

[ThaSalaPaul]

14 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Another wine cooler .........

Death by wine cooler... interesting ????

[IvorBiggun2]

7 hours ago, mania said:

Lastly I do also have sympathy for Thailand too that has 70 million of its own barely able to afford hospitalization now also burdened by expats "choosing to die" uninsured in Thailand

Rubbish. Thais get treatment basically free at government hospitals. No 'barely able to afford hospitalization'.

[masterpasser]

19 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Not for someone playing in the 1960's - 70's (which is probably when he was playing, given his age).

 

When Kevin Keegan signed for Liverpool in 1971 he was getting a basic wage of £50 a week. And that's for one of England's best players at one of England's top clubs.

 

Somebody playing at Coventry and Shrewsbury would have been getting considerably less.

 

The era of footballers earning more than the average worker didn't start till the 80's or 90's, with the influx of foreign players. And footballer's careers can be incredibly short - most are lucky to get as long as 15 years at the top level.

 

Even if this guy played for that long (and we don't know that he did) he wouldn't have amassed much of a nest egg with the wages they got back then.

In 1961 the maximum player salary was abolished and Johnny Haynes negotiated a 100 pounds a week salary .Keegan would have been on a lot more than 50 pounds a week 10 years later

[KhunLA]

11 minutes ago, masterpasser said:

In 1961 the maximum player salary was abolished and Johnny Haynes negotiated a 100 pounds a week salary .Keegan would have been on a lot more than 50 pounds a week 10 years later

Surely we're not to assume after playing footy, he never earned income again.  

 

Obviously having money to travel and holiday internationally.  Doesn't scream skint, and photos with kid/grandkids, means he travelled back & forth a bit.

 

Looking a lot like "please, will someone pay for my dad's irresponsibility, because we sure don't want the bill"

 

Just a thought ... 

[SAFETY FIRST]

21 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

23 hours ago, webfact said:

ex-professional footballer

Should be cashed up. 

 

Something fishy here.

Most 1st grade footy (ex-professional) players make their wealth after retirement. 

 

[The Fugitive]

19 hours ago, connda said:

If he goes back the the UK, the NHS will put him on an 'end of life pathway.'
That is, if he can find a bed in an NHS facility. 

Correct! Before that they do that they try everything they can to convince/persuade you and your relatives that you are better off dying in the comfort of your own (or a relatives) home. That way, they only have to provide three fifteen minute visits by a nurse each day. It's all about money and freeing up beds for patients who can be treated. Very difficult to argue against. 

[ArnieP]

18 hours ago, sead said:

It's even more sad that after all millions he made he couldn't afford a good insurance. Or am I missing something 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9766885/A-lots-changed-55-years-hurt-Tickets-cost-10-shillings-squad-earning-2-800.html

[jerrymahoney]

14 hours ago, Dr B said:

As with many of the other posts, this seems to miss the point. Nobody is suggesting the John has a "Go Fund Me" page.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/to-help-with-my-dads-medical-costs-in-thailand

[GinBoy2]

7 hours ago, Jonathan Swift said:

Your comment is despicably shallow and lacking in compassion. He had it covered - he had planned to move back, but fate intervened. 

Trouble is, if he had been some tourist who got into a motorbike wreak, this forum would be up in arms about the irresponsibility of not having travel insurance.

 

...but but he was already planning to go home next week!

 

Well unfortunately sh%$%t happens.

 

He probably couldn't have got insurance at his age, but it's an issue that many an aging expat pulls the wool pretty heavily over their eyes to ignore.

 

To 'self insurance' well what does that even mean?

 

Unless you are extremely wealthy, how long is a piece of string comes to mind when how much money you actually need to ensure you could afford serious medical expenses.

 

Anyone in this situation should prime their family ahead of time that 'if' stuff happens they need to be prepared to write the checks.

 

I feel sorry for him, but this for many this is a 'But for the Grace of God go I' issue