Jailed and blacklisted: Frenchmen in attack on Thai man ordered held by court - driver is Hua Hin man with Thai wife

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

 

 

Better to sum it up, as you move on every comment. This time it´s easy. You justify a person kicking out at someone, with beaten them senseless.  

& no… that is your flawed reading comprehension leading to your hyperbole….  
 

Not one person has suggested the ‘beating’ (fight) was justified…. The result is extreme & tragic & could have been the other way around with the French guy in ICU had the Thai guy landed one of his kicks or punches well. 
 

Both guys flighting - both at fault. 

 

It is being pointed out that this was not a an unprovoked attack on an innocent party. 
 

 

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, MartinL said:

19 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Yes, and for that he deserves to be incredibly beaten up, in your opinion.

In my video, two punches and a half-hearted kick from the Frenchman don't constitute "incredibly beaten up". The Thai bloke fell badly - that's as much his fault as the Frenchman's, maybe more - which which was more responsible for his injury than Frenchie's punch. 

I think that’s the way most people see this… two people willingly fighting, not even an extreme fight…. But with horribly unlucky and potentially grave consequences. 

 

Then we have an utter fool come along and try and ‘tip the scales’ with some opposing bias as if this provides some balance to the thread…..

 

 

[khunpa]

14 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Yes, I remember that. I also remember how all members here was screaming about how bad the Thais who did that was. Now it´s foreigner putting a Thai in ICU, and then most out in force with little protective comments. You see the point there?

In Hua Hin the Thai guy kick the old woman in the face while she was sitting down. I can’t really see the similarities here, as this was a 1 on 1 fight between two men. 
 

The Thai guy wanted the fight and he got it. Hope he survives and has learnt his lesson the hard way. The French guy did not attack or kick the Thai at any point, when he was down. In fact he tried to walk away.
 

When you pick a fight, you need to also accept the risks and consequences of your actions. In this case the result was a bad landing. Had that not happened, it would just have been an ordinary 1-1 fight, where the Thai-guy lost.

 

That being said, it was VERY stupid that the French guy did just not walk away. And he will also have to face the consequences of his choice to fight.

[Gottfrid]

16 minutes ago, MartinL said:

n my video, two punches and a half-hearted kick from the Frenchman don't constitute "incredibly beaten up". The Thai bloke fell badly - that's as much his fault as the Frenchman's, maybe more - which was more responsible for his injury than Frenchie's punch. 

But of course. It´s his fault that he fell badly. He should have looked where he fell as he was knocked out.

[MartinL]

Just now, Gottfrid said:

But of course. It´s his fault that he fell badly. He should have looked where he fell as he was knocked out.

Many of us hoped you'd gone from this thread. To quote you " ... Now I am tired with this thread. Bye Bye!". Please don't feel you have to reply. It's OK by us. Wouldn't want you to get even more tired.

[Gottfrid]

22 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

You can go back to trilling the others thread with anti-British comments….

 

But, before you do….

Do you think the Frenchman should receive a more severe penalty than a Thai guy would under similar circumstances???? 

Severe? Ok, it´s a matter of opinion. What is most severe? Jail or deportation? When it comes to being a foreigner, you are a guest. Something that means they can throw you out if they do not see you as a person they want in the country. Hard to do that with a Thai citizen, right? For me it does not matter if it is a Thai or a foreigner. My opinion is that the foreigner should out if doing wrong, and the Thai should in jail if doing wrong. For me, that´s an easy equation.

[khunpa]

11 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

But of course. It´s his fault that he fell badly. He should have looked where he fell as he was knocked out.

No he should have backed off, same as the French guy should. Unfortunately for him he instead choose to attack the French guy who was walking away.

 

When you hit or kick somebody, there is always a risk of getting a beating or being locked up, if the opponent ends up in the ICU.
 

BOTH made those choices and took those risks and now they are both facing the consequences.

 

Lesson to them both: Don’t fight!

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2022 by khunpa

[Gottfrid]

3 minutes ago, MartinL said:

Many of us hoped you'd gone from this thread. To quote you " ... Now I am tired with this thread. Bye Bye!". Please don't feel you have to reply. It's OK by us. Wouldn't want you to get even more tired.

Easy! You quote, I reply. You know, that´s how it works. Please feel free to tell me if you need more explanations.

[Gottfrid]

2 minutes ago, khunpa said:

No he should have backed off, same as the French guy should. Unfortunately for him he instead choose to attack the French guy who was walking away.

 

When you hit or kick somebody, there is always a risk of getting a beating or being locked up, if the opponent ends up in the ICU.
 

BOTH took made those choices and took those risks and now they are both facing the consequences.

 

 

Ok, Exactly! So, then it´s nothing wrong with the consequences for the Frenchmen ???? ????

[khunpa]

6 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Ok, Exactly! So, then it´s nothing wrong with the consequences for the Frenchmen ???? ????

Of course the French guy should not just go free for what he did. In any country, if you send someone to the hospital you have to face the law and consequences of your actions.

 

The whole thing wrong here is the bias way the media reported this. Making it seem that is was a brutal and cruel attack on a completely innocent Thai. 

 

It wasn’t. It was a 1-1 fight with a very bad ending.

[ThaSalaPaul]

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

No, never said it make anything right. Just weighing the scales, man.

It seems reasonable to infer from that comment that you choose to be just as bad as the people you are criticising, but sat on the other side of the fence. In a manner not unlike a belligerent child and not dissimilar to 2 bad guys shooting it out, neither of whom could reasonably expect to garnish much sympathy.

I live in Thailand and enjoy living in Thailand. I have very positive feeligs towards Thailand and Thai people. But it doesn't mean I like ALL Thai people or think that ALL Thai people are "good" people. That would be naive in the extreme. Just as with all other countries on the planet, without exception, there are good and bad people and everything in between. An adult (or even a child for that matter) should not judge another person purely based upon where they are or are not from. 

 

Mercifully the rest of the world does not adopt your attitude, or we would all be at each other's throats

[Harveyboy]

On 10/18/2022 at 9:18 AM, Bert got kinky said:

 

What I don't understand is why they are both in trouble.

I have seen the footage that the Thia press have managed to overlook and I'm not really sure about who I believe was in the wrong at this time, I'm waiting for more information to come in.

 

However, I do not understand what the driver did apart from being there.

Is their some other footage that I have missed?

Is the driver being blacklisted for driving on red plates at night or did he do something that I haven't seen in any of the reports?

 

aiding and abetting..

[richard_smith237]

55 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Ok, Exactly! So, then it´s nothing wrong with the consequences for the Frenchmen ???? ????

Agreed…. IF those legal consequences for the Frenchman are the same as those a Thai would receive in exactly the same circumstances…. 

[Harveyboy]

On 10/18/2022 at 9:18 AM, 2009 said:

Doesn't the video of the actual incident show the Thai man getting involved in the fight?

 

In other words, he wasn't just attacked, right?

 

He was a willing participant.

probably not wanting to defending himself or his lady companion perhaps..who knows eh

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

Severe? Ok, it´s a matter of opinion. What is most severe? Jail or deportation? When it comes to being a foreigner, you are a guest. Something that means they can throw you out if they do not see you as a person they want in the country. Hard to do that with a Thai citizen, right? For me it does not matter if it is a Thai or a foreigner. My opinion is that the foreigner should out if doing wrong, and the Thai should in jail if doing wrong. For me, that´s an easy equation.

There is precedent for Thai on Thai, Thai on foreigner attacks & fights which ended in serious injuries & death… 

 

It would be fair for these penalties to be in line with those passed before under similar circumstances. Nationality should not play any part in the judgement or provide any reason for any of us to expect a more severe penalty. 
 

 

[ThaSalaPaul]

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

And, just tell me. What is wrong with being pro Thai?

The problem with being pro any nation is when it is done in blind faith without regard to any facts or reason.

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

And, just tell me. What is wrong with being pro Thai?

Most people on this thread and forum are pro Thai, that’s why why we are here. 
 

But, being Pro-Thai without intelligent critical balance is simply bias….  As you have exampled… 

 

Pro-right & anti-wrong regardless of nationality is not the opinion you have expressed in this thread -

 

That is why it probably seems like you against the world at the moment - you are on the wrong side of bias in this situation. 
 

 

[Woof999]

2 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

So, I live in Thailand. Shouldn´t I adjust and understand the way of living?

Sure, but you seem to have adjusted to match the portion of the Thai community that doesn't like foreigners.

 

2 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

I have chosen to live in Thailand, doesn´t that mean I prefer Thai people over others

It could mean many things.

 

2 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

I don´t know what reason you have, but maybe i was noble. To come and protect the falsely accused minority?

Noble? That comes across as you thinking you're better than others. For all anyone else knows, maybe you came here to run away from something. I'd prefer not to judge. Who are the minority that you mention? The Thais, in Thailand?

 

2 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

And, just tell me. What is wrong with being pro Thai?

Nothing, unless it's at the expense of other nations, which would come across negatively. There is a report today of a Thai drunk who killed 2 young Thais on their motorbikes. There was a report earlier in the week of a monk driving dangerously, killing 1 and severely injuring another. Why is it that your wrath appears to be more based on someone's nationality rather than their actions?

[Taboo2]

Why did they not stop and check out the man after he fell to the pavement.  Punks just walked away!

[Taboo2]

On the positive side, some lawyers will be getting a lot of money from some French guys,,,,55555!

[spidermike007]

I know people who fell off a motorbike, or fell down and hit their head on the pavement. One still cannot walk, or talk or function on her own, 7 years later, after falling from a motorbike accident, where she hit her head on the pavement going only 20 kph. The other one has lost alot of his mental capacity after hitting his head. One small fall, and he now seems 15 years older. I know another guy who went to the bathroom, slipped while moving away from a urinal on a tile floor, and fell. He died instantly at the age of 29.

 

When someone falls and hits their head on the pavement, all bets are off. When fighting one always has to be conscious of this possibility, if you knock someone down. And to knock someone down in a minor fight, watch the guy hit his head, and either pass out, or worse, then drive away, is positively unforgivable under 99% of circumstances. It is not as if they were fighting for their lives. Certain rules apply in a typical street fight.

 

Are we decent human beings, or vicious, cruel animals? 

Edited October 19, 2022 by spidermike007

[Sparktrader]

37 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

Sure, but you seem to have adjusted to match the portion of the Thai community that doesn't like foreigners.

 

It could mean many things.

 

Noble? That comes across as you thinking you're better than others. For all anyone else knows, maybe you came here to run away from something. I'd prefer not to judge. Who are the minority that you mention? The Thais, in Thailand?

 

Nothing, unless it's at the expense of other nations, which would come across negatively. There is a report today of a Thai drunk who killed 2 young Thais on their motorbikes. There was a report earlier in the week of a monk driving dangerously, killing 1 and severely injuring another. Why is it that your wrath appears to be more based on someone's nationality rather than their actions?

Nobody on this forum has EVER CHANGED their mind. I dont know why these arguments go on for years.

[Bert got kinky]

1 hour ago, Harveyboy said:

On 10/18/2022 at 9:18 AM, Bert got kinky said:

 

What I don't understand is why they are both in trouble.

I have seen the footage that the Thia press have managed to overlook and I'm not really sure about who I believe was in the wrong at this time, I'm waiting for more information to come in.

 

However, I do not understand what the driver did apart from being there.

Is their some other footage that I have missed?

Is the driver being blacklisted for driving on red plates at night or did he do something that I haven't seen in any of the reports?

 

aiding and abetting..

aiding and abetting..

Are you posting this for a joke?

Please show me another case in Thailand (from any time) where someone has been convicted of aiding and abetting.

 

Also, please explain what you think aiding and abetting is.

Should the other (Thai) onlookers also be charged with aiding and abetting?

 

 

 

[BritScot]

3 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Yes, I remember that. I also remember how all members here was screaming about how bad the Thais who did that was. Now it´s foreigner putting a Thai in ICU, and then most out in force with little protective comments. You see the point there?

I must be reading a different thread as what I'm reading are people screaming for the French men's blood and even read one saying anyone that didn't condem them should also be deported. There are big differences one was an old man and his wife in an unprovoked attack by a group of young men and the othere is one on one and its starting to unfold it was instigated by the thai  and it was the French man who was attacked from behind and yes that makes a big difference. 

[crazykopite]

On 10/18/2022 at 11:46 AM, Sparktrader said:

Dumb thugs

10 years jail

Thais only get 5 years for murder as of reading this no one has been murdered 

[John Drake]

17 hours ago, roo860 said:

About 53mins in.

Thanks for this. There is some confusion. But it seems at the beginning that the Frenchman grabs hold and pulls the Thai towards him. The Thai responds. Then the rest ensues, with the Thai man left on the sidewalk with a skull fracture. THEN a non disputable crime occurs. The Frenchman nonchalantly walks away, puffs out his chest, and flees the scene of a accident/crime. 

[mikeymike100]

34 minutes ago, Taboo2 said:

Why did they not stop and check out the man after he fell to the pavement.  Punks just walked away!

Whilst i agree with your sentiment, I guess if neither one of them was medically trained it would be difficult to know if the Thai guy was seriously hurt or not?

[mikeymike100]

14 minutes ago, crazykopite said:

Thais only get 5 years for murder as of reading this no one has been murdered 

Right and that only if they get found guilty in a court of law. It seems many on this thread have decided the the French guys fate already?

[roo860]

33 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Thanks for this. There is some confusion. But it seems at the beginning that the Frenchman grabs hold and pulls the Thai towards him. The Thai responds. Then the rest ensues, with the Thai man left on the sidewalk with a skull fracture. THEN a non disputable crime occurs. The Frenchman nonchalantly walks away, puffs out his chest, and flees the scene of a accident/crime. 

Seems like the French guy gets up from the floor?

[seedy]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Are we decent human beings, or vicious, cruel animals? 

The vast majority fall into the door #2

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