Biden suggests voting for Republicans is a threat to democracy

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, SunnyinBangrak said:

It was a false statement. Every time you make it again in the future, it will be a false statement.

 

"THE FACTS: Trump’s speech was a call to action"

 

That is an opinion, not borne from factual evidence or the speech that Trump made where he told his followers to be PEACEFUL.

 

It was a direct quote and the evidence is in the link I already supplied.

[Bluespunk]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Some more background about what's at stake in Arizona and thus the nation explaining Obama focusing on it.

 

 

Scary stuff finchem appears to be the embodiment of all that is warped about maga and the lies it spreads. 

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

It was a false statement. Every time you make it again in the future, it will be a false statement.

 

"THE FACTS: Trump’s speech was a call to action"

 

That is an opinion, not borne from factual evidence or the speech that Trump made where he told his followers to be PEACEFUL.

 

If you want to get outraged by calls to violence, which were promptly acted out might I suggest your very own Schumer?

"“I want to tell you Gorsuch. I want to tell you Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.”

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/5/21165479/chuck-schumer-neil-gorsuch-brett-kavanaugh-supreme-court-whirlwind-threat

 

which led to an assassination attempt on Judge Kavanaugh, just like Schumer threatened. Yikes!

"Epic fail: Media apathy on attempted Kavanaugh murder shameful"

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3523618-epic-fail-media-apathy-on-attempted-kavanaugh-murder-shameful/

 

Of course there will be no outrage from you over a REAL threat which was attempted to be carried out. Why is that now? Why does Biden not mention this very real threat to democracy from his own party? 

 

"He (Trump) told his followers to be PEACEFUL"

 

With a record of 33,000 documented lies during his presidency to his credit, I suggest that anyone who has confidence in anything that is told by him, frankly, has lost touch with reality.

 

As with most mafioso, the Don also has a proven modus operandi that is the antithesis of "PEACEFUL".

 

"As far back as 2015, Trump has been connected to documented acts of violence, with perpetrators claiming that he was even their inspiration".

 

Nevertheless, the Conspirator-in-Chief's fomenting violence playbook is to call his followers "to arms" together with a counter narrative so not to incriminate himself. For example, to Jan 6th Insurrectionists "fight like hell" and "be peaceful" and to Proud Boys "stand back" and "stand by".

 

"In some cases, Trump denounces the violence, but he often walks back such statements, returning to a message of hate and harm".

 

Trump’s history of inciting violence in words and tweets: A timeline from 2015 through the Capitol attack - Vox

 

[LosLobo]

  

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

 

 

 

Your post does not diminish my assertion "that anyone who has confidence in anything that is told by him (Trump), frankly, has lost touch with reality". It only confirms it.

 

Tracking all of President Trump’s false or misleading claims - Washington Post

 

 

Edited November 5, 2022 by LosLobo

[onthedarkside]

A post relying on a non-news report opinion article as the source of factual information has been removed.

 

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Scary stuff finchem appears to be the embodiment of all that is warped about maga and the lies it spreads. 

It's very scary indeed.

The US is indeed far down the road of becoming a Trumpist fascist state.

Nothing semi about it.

Trump does not need to be alive for that to happen and continue.

The Trumpists have already engineered via sleazy tactics the almost total takeover of the surpreme court now a partisan illegitimate court and installed so many young Trumpist federal judges nationally.

They have gerrymandered districts to the extent that democrats need super majorities nationally to control the house. The opposite of a fair level playing field 

The Trumpists are obsessed with suppression of voting particularly in urban areas 

Trump has made it clear that if he takes power again he will purge all federal workers of anyone who isn't a loyalist toady. Competence and experience is supposedly swampy.

All he needs is one or a few more swing state governors / secretaries of state to insure guaranteed republican presidential wins indefinitely. As the Trumpist say control the counting control the power.

Yet not enough people are getting this or caring.

Historically times of inflation have set the stage for fascism.

It looks like the US is there soon.

These are our last one or two actual elections unless there is a dramatic turnaround.

Yes people have the right to vote to end democracy.

But if they do its only going to be show elections going forward.

To those who say this is hyperbole, you're wrong.

The Trumpists have openly told us their plans and they've already succeeded in most of them.

They are winning. Democracy is losing.

Believe what you can see with your eyes and hear with your ears.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/03/opinions/voter-apathy-january-6-pelosi-election-vote-fanone/index.html

 

Opinion: American indifference will be the death blow for democracy

 

When I speak privately with fellow officers who defended the US Capitol on January 6, the conversation often turns to why so many Americans remain indifferent about the insurrection. In other words, most Americans just don’t seem to care. An overt attempt to end our democracy? Meh.

 

Edited November 5, 2022 by Jingthing

[nauseus]

On 11/4/2022 at 10:28 AM, Bkk Brian said:

THE FACTS: Trump’s speech was a call to action — a call to fight and save the country.

 

“Our country has had enough,” he told those who went on to stage the violent siege of the Capitol. “We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about. To use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal.”

 

'If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore'

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-us-capitol-remarks-221518bc174f9bc3dd6e108e653ed08d

Lots of quotes there but the most crucial one is omitted, yet again:

 

“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”

[nauseus]

On 11/4/2022 at 10:53 AM, LosLobo said:

I suggest that you are being disingenuous by mis-characterizing the Jan 6th to suit the Republican narrative.  It was not a tourist event, a protest or at worse a riot. You are trying to change the meaning of insurrection, and also by saying that it was not a coup you are trying to further confuse the issue.

 

Perhaps we need to visit the facts.

 

The official democratic assertion is that the Jan. 6 insurrection was the 'culmination of an attempted coup'. 

 

 Bennie Thompson says Jan. 6 was 'culmination of an ... - NPR 

 

Definition of an insurrection is "an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government.

 

It does not need guns or to succeed to be true.

 

Insurrection Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

 

Definition of a coup is "a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics and especially the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government".

 

This event was never described as a "coup" but an "attempted coup". Why waste everyone's time on this?

 

Coup Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

 

QED

Assertions aren't facts.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Lots of quotes there but the most crucial one is omitted, yet again:

 

“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”

No its not, its in the link and it provides the context to that in there and the facts.

[nauseus]

22 hours ago, scorecard said:

So why haven't these folks laid out solid factual evidence of votes being stolen, vote numbers bein falsified/manipulated (by Americans and/or by the Chinese etc)?  They've had plenty of opportity and plenty of time to lay it all out.

 

They have laid out some 'evidence' but it falls apart in a second and the folks 'laying it out' have zero credibility.

 

The balls in their court, what are they waiting for to prove their claims? 

 

 

November?

[Rimmer]

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[vinci]

isn't they just literally did a Coup d'état

[LosLobo]

15 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Assertions aren't facts.

Do you Trump supporters have a literacy/comprehension problem or do you just not read anything that might counter your narrative?

Perhaps my subsequent post yesterday to the one you replied to will set you straight.
 

On 11/4/2022 at 4:00 PM, LosLobo said:

Here we go with more deflection and confusion!

I only suggested that the democratic assertion from Bennie Thompson was that the insurrection was an attempted coup not whether it was true or not

 

As for questioning Chairman of the Jan 6th Committee Bennie Thomson's honesty, when the Conspirator-in-Chief who told 33,000 documented lies during his presidency, paradoxical comes to mind.

 

 

[xylophone]

57 minutes ago, nauseus said:

“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”

Trump doublespeak, where he says one thing and then says another to contradict it, and I don't think he does it purposely it is just that he is plain dumb.

 

He is famous for his lies (30,000 and counting) and doublespeak, and this is no different, and his nut job supporters follow him down the rabbit hole.

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, LosLobo said:

  Your post does not diminish my assertion "that anyone who has confidence in anything that is told by him (Trump), frankly, has lost touch with reality". It only confirms it.

 

Tracking all of President Trump’s false or misleading claims - Washington Post

 

 

Agree, he and his followers are a threat to democracy, and so many false or misleading claims attest to his lies, dumbness or lack of a grasp on reality, but his supporters here just "don't want to see it".

 

In fact I challenged one of them to provide links to his post about Biden's list of supposed "lies", but he has failed to produce any – – I wonder why????

[johnnybangkok]

On 11/4/2022 at 1:10 PM, Hanaguma said:

Cool , here are some facts from Reuters: The most important problem facing America according to voters:

 

Inflation, jobs/economy, gun violence, abortion, immigration, climate.... in that order. Gee, what seems to be missing?

 

https://graphics.reuters.com/USA-ELECTION/ECONOMY-POLL/akvezdbzrpr/

 

How many of these did the President address in his speech?

And on such weighty subjects, what exactly is the GOP 'cure'? 

 

Inflation - a worldwide issue that NO party in power could ever hope of controlling until the Ukraine/Russia war is resolved.

jobs/economy - employment in the US is at it's highest level in a long time, and higher than at any stage during Trumps presidency.  https://www.statista.com/statistics/269959/employment-in-the-united-states/

gun violence - and can we just remind ourselves which party has consistently and callously stopped any attempt at gun control? (hint; its not the Dems). And also criminal reform (in the shape of matters such as bail reform and sentancing) are always opposed by the GOP with again, not a single solution coming from them.

abortion - in an attempt to appeal to the Christian right, the GOP has systematically and cynically eroded the rights of women when it comes to abortion. Predominately red states are leading the charge in making abortion so difficult as to almost make it impossible to get.

Immigration  - the scare mongering from GOP candidates is so extreme it relly should be called just straight xenophobia. What exactly did Trump accomplish with his 4 years? An ill thought out 'extended' wall? Seperating families and locking up children? It's the oldest trick in the book and copied by all right wing governments the world over; immigrants are to blame for your lack of job and/or prospects, not the billionaires and corporations that actually could do something to help.

climate - name one thing that Trump accomplished in his 4 years that helped in the climate change battle? Nothing? Well that's because he did his level best to deny, deflect and overturn policies that could have helped:- 

 

'During his campaign in 2016, Trump had already announced his skepticism of climate change. After he took office in 2017, his administration made decision after decision that slowed or deprioritized climate action. It rolled back policies that helped mitigate warming, relaxed regulations for climate polluters, approved the Keystone XL pipeline, left the Paris Agreement, and more. 

 

 https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/most-consequential-impact-of-trumps-climate-policies-wasted-time

 

All you GOP fans are the first to point fingers without a single remedy from your side. Trump has not ever produced an election manifesto (go on, go to his website and try and actually find a proper manifesto that isn't just a vague 'we will do it differently'), prefering to fear-monger and 'play it by ear' as the mood and notion takes him. His biggest thing is loyalty to him and to his MAGA fan base and he gives not one jot about the good of the average man and for the USA as a whole. It's all about him. A cult of personality with very little substance.  

 

If you think this man and this party are the solution to the problems of the US and indeed the world then when is he actually going to produce something that helps the majority of Americans rather than the stipdly wealthy and corporations. You have been lied to; the emporer really doesn't have any clothes. 

   

 

Edited November 5, 2022 by onthedarkside
quote shortened for fair use

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

Funny thing; Trump knew this, he even spent hours watching the Capitol rampage on television, and he didn't do anything to stop it.

 

Is that an example of Trump's strong leadership?

[scorecard]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

November?

What does that mean?

[onthedarkside]

Several posts have been removed for trolling, modifying quoted material from another member's post, and making an unsourced claim.

 

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

And on such weighty subjects, what exactly is the GOP 'cure'? 

 

Inflation - a worldwide issue that NO party in power could ever hope of controlling until the Ukraine/Russia war is resolved.

jobs/economy - employment in the US is at it's highest level in a long time, and higher than at any stage during Trumps presidency.  https://www.statista.com/statistics/269959/employment-in-the-united-states/

gun violence - and can we just remind ourselves which party has consistently and callously stopped any attempt at gun control? (hint; its not the Dems). And also criminal reform (in the shape of matters such as bail reform and sentancing) are always opposed by the GOP with again, not a single solution coming from them.

abortion - in an attempt to appeal to the Christian right, the GOP has systematically and cynically eroded the rights of women when it comes to abortion. Predominately red states are leading the charge in making abortion so difficult as to almost make it impossible to get.

Immigration  - the scare mongering from GOP candidates is so extreme it relly should be called just straight xenophobia. What exactly did Trump accomplish with his 4 years? An ill thought out 'extended' wall? Seperating families and locking up children? It's the oldest trick in the book and copied by all right wing governments the world over; immigrants are to blame for your lack of job and/or prospects, not the billionaires and corporations that actually could do something to help.

climate - name one thing that Trump accomplished in his 4 years that helped in the climate change battle? Nothing? Well that's because he did his level best to deny, deflect and overturn policies that could have helped:- 

 

'During his campaign in 2016, Trump had already announced his skepticism of climate change. After he took office in 2017, his administration made decision after decision that slowed or deprioritized climate action. It rolled back policies that helped mitigate warming, relaxed regulations for climate polluters, approved the Keystone XL pipeline, left the Paris Agreement, and more. 

 

 https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/most-consequential-impact-of-trumps-climate-policies-wasted-time

 

All you GOP fans are the first to point fingers without a single remedy from your side. Trump has not ever produced an election manifesto (go on, go to his website and try and actually find a proper manifesto that isn't just a vague 'we will do it differently'), prefering to fear-monger and 'play it by ear' as the mood and notion takes him. His biggest thing is loyalty to him and to his MAGA fan base and he gives not one jot about the good of the average man and for the USA as a whole. It's all about him. A cult of personality with very little substance.  

 

If you think this man and this party are the solution to the problems of the US and indeed the world then when is he actually going to produce something that helps the majority of Americans rather than the stipdly wealthy and corporations. You have been lied to; the emporer really doesn't have any clothes. 

   

 

 Mind putting forth the case as to why sticking with the doddering gent currently occupying the White House is a better option?

 

To be clear, I wish Trump would go away. He is and will be a net drain on the GOP, plus if he were elected in 2024 he would be even OLDER than Biden was in 2020. He is not the solution, at least in my mind. There are younger and better people available to spread the message of freedom, small government, and country first. 

Edited November 5, 2022 by onthedarkside
trolling comment removed

[Hanaguma]

As for solutions;

1. Cancel the Inflation Reduction Act and the American Recovery Plan and the student loan forgiveness.

2. See above.

3. Mandatory prison terms for using firearms in a crime. Increased and better trained police.

4. Leave abortion up to the states. Not a federal issue.

5. Immediate deportation of those here illegally. No "catch and release" for asylum seekers- keep them confined until their hearings are finished. Stern punishment for companies that hire illegal workers.  Guest worker system for targeted industries.

6. Unleash America's energy industry. Don't threaten them with shut downs and then expect them to invest in increasing production. Increase fracking. Build more nuclear power stations. Stop buying batteries and solar panels from Red China. 

 

[onthedarkside]

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[candide]

30 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

As for solutions;

1. Cancel the Inflation Reduction Act and the American Recovery Plan and the student loan forgiveness.

2. See above.

3. Mandatory prison terms for using firearms in a crime. Increased and better trained police.

4. Leave abortion up to the states. Not a federal issue.

5. Immediate deportation of those here illegally. No "catch and release" for asylum seekers- keep them confined until their hearings are finished. Stern punishment for companies that hire illegal workers.  Guest worker system for targeted industries.

6. Unleash America's energy industry. Don't threaten them with shut downs and then expect them to invest in increasing production. Increase fracking. Build more nuclear power stations. Stop buying batteries and solar panels from Red China. 

 

So nothing about reducing inflation on short-term, as it's a global issue. Oh! I forgot, the GOP has a secret solution but doesn't disclose for fear of being imitated!

 

1, Has been assessed as slightly reducing inflation

2. Cancelling student debt may have an impact on inflation, but spread over time

6. The energy sector has stopped new projects during the pandemic, and are not using the permits they already have. The main reason is the uncertainty about prices. It takes years before exploiting new projects, and they don't know if the selling price will be worth the investment. In any case it cannot have an effect on short-term. The only way to trigger investment is to guarantee prices (which Biden does for orders aiming at refilling the strategic reserve, but the quantities are too low anyway). It can probably not have much effect on prices later, unless it is so massive that it can influence global prices.

Edited November 5, 2022 by candide

[onthedarkside]

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[Jingthing]

Highly recommend youtube watch --

 

New Rule: Democracy's Deathbed

[onthedarkside]

A trolling, name calling post has been removed. Continue with more of the same, and you'll face a posting suspension.

 

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, xylophone said:

Trump doublespeak, where he says one thing and then says another to contradict it, and I don't think he does it purposely it is just that he is plain dumb.

 

He is famous for his lies (30,000 and counting) and doublespeak, and this is no different, and his nut job supporters follow him down the rabbit hole.

So where was the contradiction to that? You don't accept Trump or anything he says. That's all.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Scary stuff finchem appears to be the embodiment of all that is warped about maga and the lies it spreads. 

I gave the vdo a fair go but at 8.30 when the guy started spouting such a nonsense conspiracy theory I had to give up.

Trump haters are quick to accuse his supporters of being conspiracy theorists, but seems a few among their side as well.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

When I speak privately with fellow officers who defended the US Capitol on January 6, the conversation often turns to why so many Americans remain indifferent about the insurrection. In other words, most Americans just don’t seem to care. An overt attempt to end our democracy? Meh.

Perhaps because no matter how many times the Dems and their supporters say "insurrection", the Americans that remain indifferent saw only a demonstration that went wrong.

People have real problems to deal with, and rightly IMO ignore the attempts by Trump haters to make the proverbial mountain out of a molehill.

[Bluespunk]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I gave the vdo a fair go but at 8.30 when the guy started spouting such a nonsense conspiracy theory I had to give up.

Trump haters are quick to accuse his supporters of being conspiracy theorists, but seems a few among their side as well.

Which guy?

 

Not the journalist I trust, as he made perfect sense from start to finish.

 

The maga herd on the other hand were completely barking mad, especially the one spouting garbage about Democrats serving the devil or some such nonsense along those lines.

 

Complete nutter.