Have you ever witnessed that a farang was beaten up by Thais without any reason?

[josephbloggs]

21 minutes ago, Amfita said:

Yes, this happened to me just yesterday. We sat on the terrace of the hostel at the Pratamnak and tried to talk. We tried because for the second night in a row there was loud music playing in the laundry "Amporn" next door, making it hard to hear each other. At half past eleven I decided to go and ask the music to be turned down a little so that we could talk normally. When I approached the table, it became clear that the guys were drinking. I spoke calmly and respectfully, but suddenly the Thai woman very rudely told me to get out. I have already noticed a couple of times that in situations when Thai women don’t like something, they immediately raise their tone and begin to speak in a commanding tone. At that moment, I still calmly asked why she was talking to me like that)) She behaved as if I should obey her unquestioningly, although she was very rude at that moment. I don’t know what would really be better to do in that situation, but I joined the conflict and also raised my voice. In fact, it all took less than a minute. She stood up so that the chair fell over. After a couple of sentences, she tried to attack me, but her European husband grabbed her and began to hold her. At that moment she was so mad that she twisted around, grabbed a chair and tried to bring it down on my head. Then I realized that it wasn’t worth it and ran away from her. At this time, women from the hostel, with whom we were trying to talk, came up to me, the administrator guy and the man from the table. He didn’t speak English, but he started poking himself in the chest and I saw that he had a badge on his T-shirt. The hostel administrator explained to me that he was a policeman, this was his sister, and this was not the first such situation. She attacked the hostel owner when he came to talk about the same situation. And EVERYONE around began to convince me that I shouldn’t go to the police, because in the end they would blame me, and her friends would say that I attacked her first. And the people at the table really supported her. Her husband high-fived her, even though what she did was drunken animal madness. I would like to understand whether it is true that in the police a Thai will always be more right-wing than a foreigner? What is the best thing to do in such a situation? 

Can you try paragraphs? No one can read this.

[CartagenaWarlock]

On 11/11/2022 at 3:01 AM, nigelforbes said:

I just decided I would leave. I had stumbled no more than half a block when the owner came running after me and ever so politely reminded me that I hadn't paid. Oh, right then, I said and paid up, plus a healthy tip.

It happened many times to me. Thais never beat up if you just say sorry, "Lum." smile and pay immediately. I found Thais to be very polite and never raise their voice. Even the police were polite and spoke softly. I was even arrested for smoking ice, They took me to the police station and for three hours talked to me about why I should not smoke ice but drink and have sex with ladies as much as I could. Of course, eventually they took 10K from me. They wanted me to rat the person who sold me ice, but I also stood my ground firm, denying I knew the person and that it was a lady in Nana and she offered me ice for enhanced sex. Of course, I bought the staff from an African guy in Sukuhmvit and I even knew his place in Udomsuk. 

[GammaGlobulin]

Beating Up Whites?

 

Here is how to do it properly.

 

 

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[flyingtlger]

On 11/11/2022 at 12:51 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

And it was never unprovoked. People didn't want to pay their bill, or they though they can call Thais bad names, or maybe take pictures in forbidden areas, etc.

Spot on!

[Captain Monday]

No. But everything I have seen seems to involve alcohols bad behavior

 

CMU girls fighting outside pub *Over a guy?

Farangs fighting over a butt ugly slapper at Suk Soi 7 beer garden *I sow her first mate

Thais guys fighting a Thai two to one outside pub *No idea

Big Farang sorting out a drunk Farang for harassing a Thai lady bartender after refusing to leave multiple times

[GammaGlobulin]

2 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

 

CMU girls fighting outside pub *Over a guy?

 

 

CMU girls?

 

Not likely.

 

 

CMU students are good.

 

Also, dedicated and diligent.

 

 

[Captain Monday]

6 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

 

CMU girls?

 

Not likely.

 

 

CMU students are good.

 

Also, dedicated and diligent.

 

 

More proof why I am sure I was born and ended up in Thailand around least 25 years too late.

No tattoos, no fast food, no body waxing

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

7 hours ago, Amfita said:

what she did was drunken animal madness. [...] What is the best thing to do in such a situation? 

 

I just noticed that the thread which I started over a year ago is active again.

And I noticed that my headline includes "without any reason".

 

You started it. Where in the world can a foreigner walk up to a group of drunk locals and tell them what to do? It's just stupid or naive or asking for trouble. Don't do it!

What you can do is call the police and complain about the noise. And if you are lucky, they will do something. And if they don't do anything then accept it. 

And maybe, just maybe, if this noise continues many nights, then go there at daytime, when hopefully nobody is drunk, and tell them you have trouble sleeping and if maybe they could turn the volume down a little. And don't forget to smile when you tell them about your no-sleep problem.

And ask yourself: Do you want this problem solved? Or do you want to show them who the boss is? A hint: You are not the boss. Accept it. 

[sirineou]

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Have you ever witnessed that a farang was beaten up by Thais without any reason?

Sorry can't help you there. 

[KhunLA]

No, never personally seen any.  Any vids (full length) that I've viewed, and they all seemed justified getting a whack or 3, for their stupidity.  Edited version always appear first, and they seem to be unprovoked random attacks.   Then the full vid comes out ... and you think, dumb ass, what were you thinking 

[OneMoreFarang]

7 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

More proof why I am sure I was born and ended up in Thailand around least 25 years too late.

No tattoos, no fast food, no body waxing

 

 

But then, 25 years ago it was hard to find girls who would give you a BJ. 

"My mouth for eating only!"

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

No, never personally seen any.  Any vids (full length) that I've viewed, and they all seemed justified getting a whack or 3, for their stupidity.  Edited version always appear first, and they seem to be unprovoked random attacks.   Then the full vid comes out ... and you think, dumb ass, what were you thinking 

I think one problem from some foreigners here is that they think everybody has to obey all the laws all the time. And if they see that this doesn't happen, then they think they will tell the lawbreaker that this is wrong. He/she/it has to behave and follow the law now!

 

But for many Thais laws are best case some kind of suggestions. Like: stop on the red light if you feel like it. Or maybe don't drink they whole bottle before you drive. And Thais, and not only Thais, don't want to be told what they should do. And especially they don't like when foreigners tell them what not to do. All this should be no surprise for anybody who visits a country far away from home.

 

[Captain Monday]

25 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

But then, 25 years ago it was hard to find girls who would give you a BJ. 

"My mouth for eating only!"

My recent experience exact opposite

[Highlandman]

On 11/15/2022 at 10:32 AM, Neeranam said:

Worst I saw was in soi Cowboy. A drunk guy was kicked along the street by 2/3 guys. He was drunk/high and jumped on the go-go stage. When the bouncer tried to pull him off, he tapped his head with his foot! 

 

Khao San Road Thais hate farang and I've seen some uncalled for violence there. I got my nose broken and also been attacked by a ataxi driver with a tyre lever, but defended myself on that occassion. 

How can they hate foreigners when Khao San road is full of farang, Israeli backpackers and Koreans/Chinese? 

[Hummin]

Ah, memories

 

Sitting in a window post in a bar in Pattaya when a girl come and sit between my legs, and start talking to me. The normal conversation starting with your name, handsome, moviestar (lookalike) and she tells me her boyfriend is a butterfly, at the same moment a long skinny guy coming running with a 1:55 tall 40 kg chasing him with a bottle.

 

Except from that, seen some few drunks being beaten up by thais, and ladyboys goes of the rails. 

 

Just remember, the attack never comes from where you expect it to come. Never seen a thai falang one on one. Never seen thais on one and one either. Just how it is, and thats why you never argue with a thai, because the one you argue with, is most likely not the one who will strike first. 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 29 by Hummin

[Highlandman]

10 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I think one problem from some foreigners here is that they think everybody has to obey all the laws all the time. And if they see that this doesn't happen, then they think they will tell the lawbreaker that this is wrong. He/she/it has to behave and follow the law now!

 

But for many Thais laws are best case some kind of suggestions. Like: stop on the red light if you feel like it. Or maybe don't drink they whole bottle before you drive. And Thais, and not only Thais, don't want to be told what they should do. And especially they don't like when foreigners tell them what not to do. All this should be no surprise for anybody who visits a country far away from home.

 

 

Totally agree. Most westerners come from countries where most laws are strictly enforced and obeyed by the population. This leads some to expect the same everywhere they go, including in countries like Thailand.

 

I think Thais do strictly follow some laws, the ones that are or were enforced. During Covid, Thais obeyed mask mandates much more strictly than westerners did back home. So obedient were Thais, it took many months, almost a year following the end of mask mandates for a visible number of Thais to stop masking on board public transportation and other indoor settings. Even today, in some areas, we're talking well above 50% mask wearing and still near 100% compliance in hospital or other medical settings.

 

Thais also self censor when it comes to political topics and obey whatever rules are in place for example at MRT and Skytrain stations such as no eating or drinking, no chewing gum, no smoking etc. 

 

In fact one of the things I like most about Thailand is that Thais absolutely obey no smoking rules; most Thais don't even smoke anymore anyway, but like Australians, New Zealanders and Singaporeans, Thais strictly follow non-smoking ordinances and have done so for many years, ever since these rules were introduced.

 

This contrasts with China, where non smoking rules are only obeyed in the few settings they're strictly enforced; basically, the authorities need to use force and the threat of draconian penalties else there'd be no compliance. Airports, on board airlines, on board high speed trains and shopping malls are about the only settings where no one smokes. 

 

However, when push comes to shove among foreigners trying to tell Thais what to do, it's when we're talking about rules that aren't enforced or adhered to, including 1) traffic rules (that's probably the biggest one) 2) rules regarding parking, such as people parking in disabled spaces who aren't disabled 3) disobeying no littering or "no dumping of garbage" signs (granted, from observations in my own area, a lot of the litter bugs are Cambodians, especially groundskeepers).

 

The last one drives me mad. However I always remind myself that I'm not a police officer or in enforcement of the law. I wish people had more self discipline, but it's not my job to instill that in Thais. It's the job of the education system/government. I think it will happen one day, but we're not there yet.

 

I have also observed the difference between how cultured, well educated middle and upper class ethnic Chinese behave and how the masses of rural Isarn farmers behave and there's quite a difference. 

 

I personally don't get upset at those who drive fast or break traffic rules as I do that myself (within reason of course). Nothing worse than the nanny state road rules we have back home.

Edited March 29 by Highlandman

[Highlandman]

12 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

I just noticed that the thread which I started over a year ago is active again.

And I noticed that my headline includes "without any reason".

 

You started it. Where in the world can a foreigner walk up to a group of drunk locals and tell them what to do? It's just stupid or naive or asking for trouble. Don't do it!

What you can do is call the police and complain about the noise. And if you are lucky, they will do something. And if they don't do anything then accept it. 

And maybe, just maybe, if this noise continues many nights, then go there at daytime, when hopefully nobody is drunk, and tell them you have trouble sleeping and if maybe they could turn the volume down a little. And don't forget to smile when you tell them about your no-sleep problem.

And ask yourself: Do you want this problem solved? Or do you want to show them who the boss is? A hint: You are not the boss. Accept it. 

 

Might also help to be very picky about where you choose to live. Like in every other country, there are good and bad neighborhoods. Poor neighborhoods tend to be noisier and full of less well mannered residents. They also tend to be home to more drunks, more drug abuse, more domestic violence.

 

If you as a farang have chosen to live in such a neighborhood, do yourself a favor and move out immediately. You'll thank your lucky stars you did. If you can't afford to live in a better neighborhood (unlikely, though you never know) you might want to ask yourself whether Thailand is right for you.

 

Think of a bad, noisy neighborhood full of drunks in Thailand as being the equivalent of some gang ridden neighborhood in America (for instance, east St. Louis, Missouri). A white person should NOT live in such areas.

[Highlandman]

On 11/14/2022 at 4:48 PM, GinBoy2 said:

I was beaten up about 7 years ago in Khon Kaen, for no apparent reason other than I was with a Thai woman, my wife, and not some young girl she's a middle aged woman.

 

We had finished dinner out by the lake and were walking back to our car wen we were approached by 4 young men, late teens, early 20's I guess and for whatever reason decided to get into it with me.

They were all very drunk, and I speak fluent Thai & Lao, and in retrospect I might have been better just keeping my mouth shut.

 

But motor mouth decided I was gonna give as good verbal as I was getting. Bad decision!

 

I ended up with a couple cracked ribs, split lip back eye and a very bruised ego

 

Can you explain what happened? What did they say? How did you respond?

 

I speak fluent Thai and Lao as well (Lao as in the Lao spoken in Lao PDR) but anywhere in Thailand especially somewhere like Khon Kaen, you use standard Thai as that's all that most young Thais can speak anyway.

 

It is absolutely useful and in fact essential. I find that farang who only speak English get into trouble much more quickly and easily due to misunderstandings. 

[Highlandman]

On 11/15/2022 at 12:41 PM, Eaglekott said:

15 years in Thailand have never seen any farang been beaten up provoked or not. But 3 times farangs has tried to pick fight with me and my friend for no obvious reason.  Two from UK or USA I believe and one Indian guy.

 

I was sitting down at soi 4 waiting for a guy polish my shoes, Farang come and started to provoke me and said I could not sit there in the stairs, funny he didn't complain to the other sitting in the middle of the stair but to me sitting as far to the side possible. I told him I was just sitting waiting to have my shoes cleaned, and he started to accuse me of being a drug dealer and he said he knew where I had my stash and factory. I tried to explain I'm against all kind of illegal drugs, even cigarettes. He just seamed to be more upset started to poke my shoulder and he told me I would not live longer than a week in Bangkok. I told him been living here 5 years already and I asked how long he have staid in Thailand, he got even more angry, and I just got my shoes back. Then I stood up on the first step of the stairs so I became like 2dm longer than him so I looked down on him. He looked up, said "What the <Deleted>" and walked away.

 

Another time I have been mention in a post about a year ago when my friend try to have a begging girl stop annoying after he bought some packs up gum for a 100 baht, He said he had no more cash and tried to waive her away but she refused, push him in he back with the candy bucket and drag his t-shirt so to try to tell her he don't have more cash showed her his Credit card and asked can you take 100 baht from this. A farang saw it and started to make a mess screaming give her 20 baht, we tried to tell him that he gave 100 already, he was out of control and refused to listen to any of us in many minutes, he didn't listen to the guards that arrived also. He made even a bigger mess and screamed if you don't give her I do and he gave the girl another 100 baht. I wonder what she learned from that episode. Ok its not nice to show a Credit card to a 10 year old begging girl but I wouldn't call it a reason to pick a fight.

 

The Indian guy I bumped into a little bit on the BTS when train suddenly breaked a little bit more than usual, and I said "Katord Krap" and he started ta make a fuzz over I bumped into him and that I tried to say sorry in Thai. He seamed very angry I tried to speak Thai to him. I probably would have even if he looked like Viking.

 

Well Indians aren't Thai, so unless I knew a particular Indian happened to be a Thai citizen (there is a small community but it's tiny) I'd just speak in English.

 

I'd find it odd that an Indian or anyone else would care what language you speak with them.

 

I get mildly annoyed when Thais speak to me in English, but so few farang speak Thai, they just assume all farang are equally clueless. 

[Highlandman]

On 11/15/2022 at 4:53 PM, GinBoy2 said:

Ditto the longer to heal!

 

I've never been a bar brawl kinda guy, in fact my Thai encounter was my first ever experience of any kind of physical violence, so the idea that I had any clue how to fight back effectively at my age wasn't happening.

 

But pain I might have shaken off in my 20/30's takes like forever to heal.

 

God Bless pain drugs

 

On 11/15/2022 at 4:17 PM, GinBoy2 said:

So, it's a long time ago now and this answers a couple of other questions.

 

They were ranting on about why I didn't have a woman in farang land, why I had to come to Thailand for lady, it went on and on.

 

My wife laid into them first, told them to 'go home to their mama and sober up'

So they kept on at me and I think it was the point where I told them if they laid off the white whisky their chances with the ladies might be well improved, with some implied references to 'ability' kinda sealed the deal so to speak.

 

Yeah after I got patched up at hospital we went to the cops, usual experience with Thai police, lots of paper, signing statements, never heard a thing.

 

Don't think I ever saw the guys again, but this was an adrenaline moment, and I know this might sound bad, but I have a hard time distinguishing young Thai mens faces, many of them all look the same to me

 

Sorry, should have read this post before asking a question you already answered. 

 

I find it unbelievable any Thai would dare say such a thing to a foreigner, much less someone who is with a middle aged Thai. Why would a 20 year old Thai man want a 40 year old woman? 

[Highlandman]

On 11/15/2022 at 11:23 PM, Puwa said:

No but I had one bizarre experience back in about 2005. On a road trip with my family, just starting out from Chiang Mai, we stopped for fuel on the superhighway heading out of town. I went to relieve myself at the urinal around back, as one does, and there were a couple of guys doing the same. While we were there, another Thai guy came in, saw me there, and started talking sh*t out loud, to the effect of, "Look at this white guy in here, I guess he's not afraid of getting his a$s kicked. We could take him down." (in thai it was something like, oho, mee kon kaow duay, mun my gluwa don dtet rue? ow mai la?") I took a quick read of the other guys, who seemed uninterested, so I zipped up, turned around, and gave my best expressionless, cold-eyed stare at the talker to let him know I understood what he said. He shuffled off. If those guys had been game, I would have been totally f*cked. Again, it was one event in like 30 years, but still a reminder that there are some psychos out there looking for trouble.

 

Hmm, strange that they would have said "kon kao" (white person) rather than farang. Almost never heard a Thai use the expression "white person" either in Thai or English.

 

Speaking of gas (petrol) stations in Thailand, most of the busy ones have far too many people around for any such incident to occur. 

[Highlandman]

On 11/12/2022 at 9:36 PM, Adumbration said:

Can we extend the definition of farang beaten up by a Thai to include killing the farang with a motor vehicle.  I have personally witnessed more than a dozen foreigners killed on the roads here.

 

I saw the cement truck that failed the corner in phuket and mowed down the pregnant woman on her scooter...with her husband watching on.

 

I saw two female 20 something backpackers killed by a Thai mini van on the hill between kamala and kalim.  That was horrific, dreadful head trauma and lots of blood.

 

List goes on....

 No. Unless you're suggesting Thais deliberately kill others using motor vehicles which I doubt. 

[Highlandman]

On 11/14/2022 at 5:03 PM, GinBoy2 said:

Well not in my case. We were walking on the sidewalk past the lake on the way to our car when they staggered towards us.

 

We tried to walk past them, but they weren't having it. For whatever reason they had decided I was wrong having a Thai woman with me.

 

I look back on it now and it was surreal

 

And I do in retrospect think I should have just shut my mouth, let them rant and I might have avoided a trip to the ER

 

But water under the bridge

 

You should have threatend to call the police and videod them.

 

I've never heard of a Thai doing something like that to a foreigner unprovoked. 

 

At the bare minimum, I would have moved past them. I don't engage with strangers nor listen to them. 

 

You should have done what I suggested above or moved past and ignored them.

Edited March 29 by Highlandman

[georgegeorgia]

 

 

Even better , I pull my zipper down , you should see the shocked look on their faces !

Edited March 29 by georgegeorgia

[roo860]

37 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

 

 

Even better , I pull my zipper down , you should see the shocked look on their faces !

I don't think a button mushroom would bother them.

[JimTripper]

What if the bill is wrong? Is it stupid to pay it, or not want to pay it?

 

Let me get back to you.

[freedomnow]

Fortunately no, I also never had any arguments with Thais in 10 years+ ...

it was a teflon coated... 😇

 

Only a couple semi-heated talks when I got fined at traffic stops over minor things

like drinking a bottle of whisky on my scooter while trying to stand up on the seat.

[OneMoreFarang]

33 minutes ago, JimTripper said:

What if the bill is wrong? Is it stupid to pay it, or not want to pay it?

 

Let me get back to you.

Not sure if your comment is an answer to another comment.

 

About paying bills in general, as far as I know the advice is: ask friendly that the bill should be lowered. If that does not happen, pay and leave. And then go directly to the tourist police and let them sort it out. This method is supposed to work.

Personally, I never experience such problems. 

[Amfita]

15 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Я только заметил, что тема, которую я начал больше года назад, снова активна.

И я заметил, что в моем заголовке написано «без всякой причины».

 

Ты начал это. Где в мире иностранец может подойти к группе пьяных местных жителей и сказать им, что делать? Это просто глупо, или наивно, или напрашиваться на неприятности. Не делай этого!

Что вы можете сделать, так это позвонить в полицию и пожаловаться на шум. И если повезет, они что-нибудь сделают. И если они ничего не делают, то примите это. 

И, может быть, только может быть, если этот шум будет продолжаться много ночей, тогда сходите туда днем, когда, надеюсь, никто не пьян, и скажите им, что у вас проблемы со сном, и, возможно, они могли бы немного уменьшить громкость. И не забудьте улыбнуться, когда расскажете им о своей проблеме с бессонницей.

И спросите себя: хотите ли вы, чтобы эта проблема была решена? Или вы хотите показать им, кто здесь хозяин? Подсказка: вы не босс. Принять это. 

I don't have intention to show who is boss here anybody and I don't think that what I done it was "tell them was to do". I asked with a smile and explained why I asked. Of course there was my inner belief that my wish to have a nice conversation with people is not less impornant then their wish to sit toghether and do the same. It's not even about law, it's about normal respect to people around without segregation on nationality. You can call it naive, but I think that I never felt any discrimination as a foreigner anywhere, I would say opposite. So for me it was not a point.  Do you mean that Thai people would respect person more if he is local? 🤔 

 

Alchohol its another point, thats true that risk is higher. And this is probable bad luck that I came to person who "get mad when she is drunk, but in the morning she forgot everything and now if to speak with her, she is very nice person". But tell that "she has a reason" just because of I came to her and provocate, it's the same as blame girl who was raped, that she wear a skirt and went to dance to club, where was drunk people. Both increase a risk, but there nothing bad about and quilty on a person who done crime. And would be nice to have justice)

 

But I think I get your point, it's very realistic approach and defenetly would help me avoid this problem. My main intention was to know how law works here, because of if law mostly on Thai side because of nationality, I can't feel myself safe and welcomed here, I just prefer to leave a country instead of build a nest here)