Polish man arrested on Samui Island with canceled student visa, 36 days of overstay, and an Interpol red notice for assault

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By Goongnang Suksawat

 

Samui, Surat Thani –  A Polish man was arrested on Samui Island with his student visa canceled, 36 days of overstay, and an Interpol red notice from his home country.

The Surat Thani Immigration Office told the Phuket Express that yesterday (December 8th) they arrested Mr. Michal Kamil Wielebinski, 37, a Polish national.

 

Mr. Wielebinski entered Thailand via the Tak Bai Immigration in Narathiwat, southern Thailand on October 10th, 2019 with a NON-90 Visa. His latest visa extension was at the Chiang Rai Immigration which allowed his stay until September 24, 2023.

 

However, he was reported by Immigration for not attending the required education classes for his visa. Chiang Rai Immigration canceled his visa on November 3rd, 2022, and as a result, is now at 36 days of overstaying.

 

Full story: https://thephuketexpress.com/2022/12/09/polish-man-arrested-on-samui-island-with-canceled-student-visa-36-days-of-overstay-and-an-interpol-red-notice-for-assault/

 

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[kwilco]

There are so many Brits and other foreigners on Samui without the right visas. Many seem to be working as dive instructors,  in gyms or quack yoga or alternative therapy activities - about time they were cleared off the archipelago. 

[ukrules]

Interesting that the 'red notice' was issued for 'assault' and something about posession of illegal ammunition.

 

Lets look into 'red notices', what they are and under which circumstances that they are normally used :

 

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What is a Red Notice?

A Red Notice is a request to law enforcement worldwide to locate and provisionally arrest a person pending extradition, surrender, or similar legal action. It is based on an arrest warrant or court order issued by the judicial authorities in the requesting country. Member countries apply their own laws in deciding whether to arrest a person.

It contains two main types of information:

• Information to identify the wanted person, such as their name, date of birth, nationality, hair and eye colour, photographs and fingerprints if available.
• Information related to the crime they are wanted for, which can typically be murder, rape, child abuse or armed robbery.

Red Notices are published by INTERPOL at the request of a member country, and must comply with INTERPOL’s Constitution and Rules.

So murder, rape, child abuse / armed robbery - all very serious crimes which deserve the full force of the law being applied.

 

I don't see 'assault' or illegal posession of ammunition mentionted though. these would appear to be minor crimes and the Polish government have a history of using everything in their power to enforce and extradite based on the most trivial of offences - more about that later.

 

Something is wrong here.

 

Poland are abusing the red notice system based on what I've read so far.

 

Here's another quote :

 

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Offences for which a Red Notice may not be issued

Article 83 of INTERPOL’s Rules on the Processing of Data sets out the specific conditions for the publication of Red Notices.

Red Notices may be published only if the offence concerned is a serious ordinary-law crime. They may not be published for the following categories:

• offences that raise controversial issues in some countries relating to behavioural or cultural norms. For example, prostitution or offences related to damaging honour;
• offences relating to family/private matters. For example adultery, bigamy/polygamy or homosexual acts;
• offences originating from a violation of laws or regulations of an administrative nature or deriving from private disputes, unless the criminal activity is aimed at facilitating a serious crime or is suspected of being connected to organized crime. For example, traffic violations, defamation, or issuing unfunded cheques (unless there was a fraudulent or malicious intent at the time the cheque was issued).

The General Secretariat maintains a non-exhaustive list of specific offences that fall within the above categories.

 

Source for quotes, Interpol themselves : https://www.interpol.int/How-we-work/Notices/About-Red-Notices

 

I post this because the Polish justice system is well known for abusing similar extradition processes between EU countries whilst the UK was in the EU there were many extradition requests for Polish Nationals for the most minor and petty offences you could imagine - like unpaid parking tickets for example.

 

Anyway - his visa was cancelled so they're kicking him out. End of story.

 

[Lucky Bones]

And it took these 7 Blokes, (as well as the other 153 not included in the photo shoot to find him?)

Fascinating.????????

Edited December 9, 2022 by Lucky Bones

[Captain Monday]

Never should have been let in to Thailand in the first place.

 

Time to ban most visa free travel /somehow accomplish home country criminal checks 

[HuskerDo2]

"they arrested Mr. Michal Kamil Wielebinski, 37, a Polish national"..... He's 37 and is there on a "student visa"? What is he, a career student? Even doctors graduate and start practicing by age 26. When they let people into the country, they need to use common sense. In this case, a 37-year-old on a student visa should have been scrutinized.

[nigelforbes]

3 minutes ago, HuskerDo2 said:

"they arrested Mr. Michal Kamil Wielebinski, 37, a Polish national"..... He's 37 and is there on a "student visa"? What is he, a career student? Even doctors graduate and start practicing by age 26. When they let people into the country, they need to use common sense. In this case, a 37-year-old on a student visa should have been scrutinized.

Graduate schools commonly accept mature foreign students into their 50's.

[Hakuna Matata]

5 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

Never should have been let in to Thailand in the first place.

 

Time to ban most visa free travel /somehow accomplish home country criminal checks 

Thailand has become a safe heaven for criminals from all over the world.

Visa free, visa on arrival for nationals of 60 or more countries!

 

This should be stopped!

[nigelforbes]

I suspect the guys tats were a magnet, they are often a sign of gang membership in Asia.

[PeachCH]

After reading the advices regarding the Thai visa politics, I'm sure that the government will change it. ????????

[roo860]

31 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

I suspect the guys tats were a magnet, they are often a sign of gang membership in Asia.

That's me <deleted> then!????

[4MyEgo]

Why do all of these overstayers need to make news, especially all of a sudden, is this really news, hard core criminals are they.

 

How about some news about crimes Thai's are committing, or is that something we don't want to show, they can include corrupt politician's, police, immigration officers and just plain Thai citizens for all I care.

 

Not Thai bashing, but something relevant in news would be good, as I never heard of overstayers making the news back in my country.

[4MyEgo]

1 minute ago, roo860 said:

That's me <deleted> then!????

Laser treatment got rid of mine years ago, suffice to say all of those recording on police files won't match now ????

 

[roo860]

1 minute ago, 4MyEgo said:

Laser treatment got rid of mine years ago, suffice to say all of those recording on police files won't match now ????

 

Unfortunately I would be dead by the time the laser surgery was complete!????????????

[nigelforbes]

5 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Why do all of these overstayers need to make news, especially all of a sudden, is this really news, hard core criminals are they.

 

How about some news about crimes Thai's are committing, or is that something we don't want to show, they can include corrupt politician's, police, immigration officers and just plain Thai citizens for all I care.

 

Not Thai bashing, but something relevant in news would be good, as I never heard of overstayers making the news back in my country.

They only seem to be making news here and in that bastion of international news, The Phuket Express, nowhere else, you work it out.

Edited December 9, 2022 by nigelforbes

[CANSIAM]

Entered Thailand at Narathiwat, seems like a strange area to enter not to mention dangerous at times......

[Bjoern]

Where is the pointing fingers at the Polish criminal? 

I am sure he is guilty in everything he is accused of in Poland, but Interpol obviously forgot to confiscate his passport and stop him from entering a flight to Thailand.

[RichardColeman]

Not sure I'd want to be the one stood in front of the blue flag for the photo op !

[roo860]

3 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Not sure I'd want to be the one stood in front of the blue flag for the photo op !

Well spotted!!????????

[nigelforbes]

7 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Not sure I'd want to be the one stood in front of the blue flag for the photo op !

Excellent, Richard.

[Bjoern]

10 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Why do all of these overstayers need to make news, especially all of a sudden, is this really news, hard core criminals are they.

 

How about some news about crimes Thai's are committing, or is that something we don't want to show, they can include corrupt politician's, police, immigration officers and just plain Thai citizens for all I care.

 

Not Thai bashing, but something relevant in news would be good, as I never heard of overstayers making the news back in my country.

No pointing fingers on the picture, that was disappointing, have they stopped doing that?

 

 

[tandor]

1 hour ago, HuskerDo2 said:

"they arrested Mr. Michal Kamil Wielebinski, 37, a Polish national"..... He's 37 and is there on a "student visa"? What is he, a career student? Even doctors graduate and start practicing by age 26. When they let people into the country, they need to use common sense. In this case, a 37-year-old on a student visa should have been scrutinized.

studying 'Thuggery'.

[Gottfrid]

So, ok! First a giant Swede and now a huge Polish guy. Looks like immigration have been have "Mountain of muscle deportation week". Great! They are just grabbing them, pound for pound.

Edited December 10, 2022 by Gottfrid

[huberthammer]

1 hour ago, nigelforbes said:

I suspect the guys tats were a magnet, they are often a sign of gang membership in Asia.

Really - seems over 50pct are gang members then.  Do you live in the last century?

[Thomas KH]

2 hours ago, ukrules said:

I don't see 'assault' or illegal posession of ammunition mentionted though. these would appear to be minor crimes and the Polish government have a history of using everything in their power to enforce and extradite based on the most trivial of offences - more about that later.

 

Yes, I have read about Poland and other Baltic countries abusing the EU Arrest Warrant system for the most trivial offences. There was even one extradition request that a friend of mine looked into. He was the lawyer for the guy arrested in Germany on the strength of the EU warrant. Warsaw was pursuing the offender for "stealing an electric saw" about a decade ago. Poland is definitely on that list of naughty countries wasting police resources.

 

[huberthammer]

1 hour ago, HuskerDo2 said:

"they arrested Mr. Michal Kamil Wielebinski, 37, a Polish national"..... He's 37 and is there on a "student visa"? What is he, a career student? Even doctors graduate and start practicing by age 26. When they let people into the country, they need to use common sense. In this case, a 37-year-old on a student visa should have been scrutinized.

Learning Thai was a common loophole for people who wanted to stay longer than the tourist visa allowed. It all went well until people started to promote it on social medial. Once Immigration started to check on school attendance, making the visa shorter and require a test to move on to the next level/visa it started to fall apart. 

 

It was a good money spinner, there were a few schools where the numbers did not add up.  200+ enrolled students taking a minimum of 4 hours a week with a classroom that fitted less than 10 pax...

[tandor]

2 hours ago, ukrules said:

Interesting that the 'red notice' was issued for 'assault' and something about posession of illegal ammunition.

 

Lets look into 'red notices', what they are and under which circumstances that they are normally used :

 

So murder, rape, child abuse / armed robbery - all very serious crimes which deserve the full force of the law being applied.

 

I don't see 'assault' or illegal posession of ammunition mentionted though. these would appear to be minor crimes and the Polish government have a history of using everything in their power to enforce and extradite based on the most trivial of offences - more about that later.

 

Something is wrong here.

 

Poland are abusing the red notice system based on what I've read so far.

 

Here's another quote :

 

 

Source for quotes, Interpol themselves : https://www.interpol.int/How-we-work/Notices/About-Red-Notices

 

I post this because the Polish justice system is well known for abusing similar extradition processes between EU countries whilst the UK was in the EU there were many extradition requests for Polish Nationals for the most minor and petty offences you could imagine - like unpaid parking tickets for example.

 

Anyway - his visa was cancelled so they're kicking him out. End of story.

 

....sort of Contradictory!  (Maybe Interpol have overriding powers!)

 

Thailand currently has Extradition Treaties with 14 countries:

• The USA-Thailand Extradition Treaty
• The Thailand-UK Extradition Treaty
• The Thai - Indonesia Extradition Treaty
• The Belgium-Thailand Extradition Treaty
• And extradition treaty with Canada
• the China-Thailand Extradition Treaty
• the Thai-South Korea Extradition Treaty
• the Philippines-Thailand Extradition Treaty
• the Thai-Laos Extradition Treaty
• the Thai-Cambodia Extradition Treaty
• the Thailand-Malaysia Extradition Treaty
• the Bangladesh-Thailand Extradition Treaty
• the extradition treaty with Fiji
• Thailand’s agreement with Australia based a treaty signed between Britain and Thailand in the 1900s

[4MyEgo]

1 hour ago, roo860 said:

Unfortunately I would be dead by the time the laser surgery was complete!????????????

1, 2 many 

[edogthong]

2 hours ago, HuskerDo2 said:

In this case, a 37-year-old on a student visa should have been scrutinized.

You don't know what you're talking about. Students come in all different ages, especially in Thailand. When I studied Thai, most of my classmates were around 37-40 years old. Only one out of a class of 15 was under 30 years old. And most of us went to class every day. 

[nigelforbes]

43 minutes ago, huberthammer said:

Really - seems over 50pct are gang members then.  Do you live in the last century?

Here, educate yourself in the way of the Orient.

 

https://thebkf.net/meanings-of-8-common-asian-gang-tattoos/