January 6 committee releases final report, says Trump should be barred from office

[scorecard]

On 12/23/2022 at 11:44 PM, KhunLA said:

840 pages of trump bashing ... no thanks, I can get that right here on AN.

 

File that report with:

9/11 Commission 

Warren Commission

House Committee on Un-American Activities

... endless other investigations

'Trump bashing'.

 

How's that, he's told so many blatant lies and made so many clearly unthruthful statements, he deserves every negative comment thrown at him. The law applies to him same as any other person. 

[bendejo]

Well, at least they didn't make him spend xmas in jail.

This year.

 

 

[heybruce]

14 hours ago, dotcalm said:

It's a silly recommendation because Congress lacks the power to ban Trump. The only limitations on a person’s running for office are in the Constitution: Thirty-five years or older, native-born American, a resident for 14 years and, via the 22nd Amendment, limited to two terms of office. Moreover,  there has  been a convicted felon (Eugene V. Debs) run, so even a corrupt indictment and trial won’t stop Trump.
 Here’s Trump statement/rebuttal:
EXCLUSIVE: Trump Reacts to J6 Committee Final Report pic.twitter.com/W1nIOage50
Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) December 23, 2022
https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/23/donald-trump-issues-response-video-jan-6-report/

Trump points out that, even as America disintegrates under Joe Biden’s policies and dereliction's (border security as example) the regime media and Congress have fed Americans lies through the January 6 Committee. For example, the committee omitted the fact that, in his speech, Trump urged protesters to make their voices heard “peacefully and patriotically.” The committee also deliberately omitted that part of Trump’s tweet telling protesters to go home “with love and in peace.”
When it comes to the tweets Trump sent, Trump explains that the committee flat-out lies, falsely claiming he didn’t respond for 187 minutes. (you can't be indicted for something you did not do). In fact, within 25 minutes of learning of the Capitol breach, Trump issued a statement calling for respect for law enforcement and tweeted out yet another statement to that effect 30 minutes later.
A key point Trump makes (and one the committee also omits) is that days before January 6, he urged the deployment of 10,000-20,000 National Guard troops to keep the event safe. That proves Trump’s intent was safety and security, not violence and insurrection. Or, as he says,
“There was no insurrection, and there wasn’t going to be an insurrection. It was made up by these sick people. Nancy Pelosi and the D.C. Mayor refused. If they’d listened to me, my recommendation, none of this would have happened, and you wouldn’t have heard about January 6, as we know it.”
It wasn’t just Nancy Pelosi and D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser. It was also the Pentagon that refused to convene the National Guard. And when it comes to security, says Trump, the committee ignored the catastrophic security failures at the Capitol.
 

 

13 hours ago, riclag said:

Theres a lot of truth behind what he says! Stay tuned to what possibly could be exposed when the new Gop house majority takes over in January .

Perhaps the whole Trump hating world will know more about Trumps request to have the national guard preside over what started as a peaceful protest .  Very good video on his response to the j6 report.
“The events of January 6 were not an insurrection. They were a protest that tragically got out of control, and which the left has been weaponizing ever since, to censor, spy on and persecute American citizens. The entire phony hoax is about taking away your speech, taking away your vote and taking away your freedom,” Trump said.

https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/23/donald-trump-issues-response-video-jan-6-report/

 

https://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/2022/01/07/jan-6-has-been-called-an-insurrection-so-why-has-no-one-been-charged-with-that-crime

 

dailycaller was used in another thread as a  attributed source so i presume its ok to use.

Trump did not request 10,000 National Guard: 

 

"There is no evidence Trump made any formal request about deploying 10,000 National Guard troops before the rally."   https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/16/fact-check-no-trump-request-10000-guard-troops-jan-6/8929215002/

 

He did ask that National Guard be available to protect his supporters, but not the Capitol:

 

"According to Miller's testimony, Trump asked during that meeting whether the District of Columbia's mayor had requested National Guard troops for Jan. 6, the day Congress was to ratify Joe Biden's presidential election victory."

"Trump told Miller to "fill" the request, the former defense secretary testified. Miller said Trump told him: "Do whatever is necessary to protect demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights.""  https://www.reuters.com/world/us/congresswoman-says-trump-administration-botched-capitol-riot-preparations-2021-05-12/

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, dotcalm said:

A key point Trump makes (and one the committee also omits) is that days before January 6, he urged the deployment of 10,000-20,000 National Guard troops to keep the event safe. That proves Trump’s intent was safety and security, not violence and insurrection. Or, as he says,
“There was no insurrection, and there wasn’t going to be an insurrection. It was made up by these sick people. Nancy Pelosi and the D.C. Mayor refused. If they’d listened to me, my recommendation, none of this would have happened, and you wouldn’t have heard about January 6, as we know it.”

Perhaps so, but ignoring that made a convenient stick to beat Trump with, and he, apparently is all they think about.

 

Given the facts as you post, which would come out in an actual trial in a real court of law ( not some Mickey Mouse biased committee ) and chances of Trump being actually convicted probably nil.

No wonder the Justice Department has not yet invented a reason to indict him.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, dotcalm said:

That committee is only authorized to operation until the end of the year."

Only 5 working days to go. 10, 9, 8, 7, ................................1 and gone into the oblivion they so richly deserve.

Wish I was there to wave goodbye to that cheney woman. Great she lost her seat.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, dotcalm said:

Trump won't be banned. He is likely destined for the WH again, as 47. It's either him or Desantis.

DeSantis please, please, please. I couldn't stand another 4 years of the hatred.

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6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps so, but ignoring that made a convenient stick to beat Trump with, and he, apparently is all they think about.

 

Given the facts as you post, which would come out in an actual trial in a real court of law ( not some Mickey Mouse biased committee ) and chances of Trump being actually convicted probably nil.

No wonder the Justice Department has not yet invented a reason to indict him.

First off, this committe was formed to investigate the Jan 6 insurrection. So accusing them of thinking about Trump is bizarre. Especially claiming that Trump "apparently is all they think about." Other possible felons have been names and the level of their involvement has also exhaustively been examined.

As for the Justice Dept inventing a reason to indict him, sometimes the level of ignorance about the possible charges against Trump reaches a truly astonishing level. 

[superal]

Well , like him or hate him , Trump is still a popular republican .  Now whether it is him as the next POTUS or Desantis is another matter but Trump will be part of the republican government .  

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, superal said:

Well , like him or hate him , Trump is still a popular republican .  Now whether it is him as the next POTUS or Desantis is another matter but Trump will be part of the republican government .  

It will be neither of them.

Trump isn't really running for president. It's a show run to try to shield him from prison.

It's way way too early to coronate DeSantis.

There are 100 other republican possibilities. DeSantis is untested nationally and it turns out  he has no accomplishments. He's only about culture wars.

Plus Biden being the incumbent means he's structurally favored to beat any republican.

 

Edited December 25, 2022 by Jingthing

[ozimoron]

16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

DeSantis please, please, please. I couldn't stand another 4 years of the hatred.

DeSantis will be hated by the left just as much as Trump. Nothing will be gained there. The Republicans need to find the center ground to appeal to independent voters. DeSantis isn't that.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

DeSantis will be hated by the left just as much as Trump. Nothing will be gained there. The Republicans need to find the center ground to appeal to independent voters. DeSantis isn't that.

DeSantis is actually more vile than Trump on social issues.

Again he has done nothing for Florida.

Midterm results prove voters want more than demagoguery.

Edited December 25, 2022 by Jingthing

[metisdead]

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[candide]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps so, but ignoring that made a convenient stick to beat Trump with, and he, apparently is all they think about.

 

Given the facts as you post, which would come out in an actual trial in a real court of law ( not some Mickey Mouse biased committee ) and chances of Trump being actually convicted probably nil.

No wonder the Justice Department has not yet invented a reason to indict him.

Which facts?

[dotcalm]

6 hours ago, heybruce said:

He did ask that National Guard be available

IG Report No. DODIG-2022-039, p.31

Web-direct link:

https://media.defense.gov/2021/Nov/19/2002896088/-1/-1/1/DODIG-2022-039%20V2%20508.PDF

 

“the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protestors on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event.”
 

Gen. Kellogg: Trump did request Nat’l Guard troops on Jan. 6th; asks Congress to release his testimony
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/08/gen-kellogg-trump-did-request-natl-guard-troops-on-jan-6th-asks-congress-to-release-his-testimony/

 

There you have it.

 

Now go check the recent investigation and how speaker Pelosi and her emails show her involvement in the security breakdown and failures.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/12/21/senate-report-on-january-6-security-failures-released-n2617426

615777633-Report-of-Investigation-Security-Failures-at-the-United-States-Capitol-on-January-6-2021.pdf

[riclag]

15 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

IG Report No. DODIG-2022-039, p.31

Web-direct link:

https://media.defense.gov/2021/Nov/19/2002896088/-1/-1/1/DODIG-2022-039%20V2%20508.PDF

 

“the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protestors on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event.”
 

Gen. Kellogg: Trump did request Nat’l Guard troops on Jan. 6th; asks Congress to release his testimony
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/08/gen-kellogg-trump-did-request-natl-guard-troops-on-jan-6th-asks-congress-to-release-his-testimony/

 

There you have it.

 

Now go check the recent investigation and how speaker Pelosi and her emails show her involvement in the security breakdown and failures.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/12/21/senate-report-on-january-6-security-failures-released-n2617426

615777633-Report-of-Investigation-Security-Failures-at-the-United-States-Capitol-on-January-6-2021.pdf 9.23 MB · 0 downloads

Trump is right if the NG was there ,wouldn’t of been chaos at the capitol! Thanks for sourcing the reports .

Edited December 25, 2022 by riclag

[candide]

40 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

IG Report No. DODIG-2022-039, p.31

Web-direct link:

https://media.defense.gov/2021/Nov/19/2002896088/-1/-1/1/DODIG-2022-039%20V2%20508.PDF

 

“the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protestors on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event.”
 

Gen. Kellogg: Trump did request Nat’l Guard troops on Jan. 6th; asks Congress to release his testimony
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/08/gen-kellogg-trump-did-request-natl-guard-troops-on-jan-6th-asks-congress-to-release-his-testimony/

 

There you have it.

 

Now go check the recent investigation and how speaker Pelosi and her emails show her involvement in the security breakdown and failures.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/12/21/senate-report-on-january-6-security-failures-released-n2617426

615777633-Report-of-Investigation-Security-Failures-at-the-United-States-Capitol-on-January-6-2021.pdf 9.23 MB · 0 downloads

Lol! The GOP report!

 

While it is true that Trump evoked sending national guards to the protest, he never made a formal request (testimony linked in my post to which you never replied). Moreover, according to the Miller, it was to protect protesters, not the Capitol (linked in Heybruce's post to which you did not reply).

 

As concerns Pelosi, she is not in charge of the Capitol police (links in a previous post, idem). She has a vague supervision role, and McConnell has exactly the same role on an equal level (strange, only Pelosi is mentioned by the right-wing).

Pelosi never turned down any request for national guards. There is no proof of it, including in the linked article.

 

It seems you are keen to ignore facts brought to you when they don't fit your propaganda narrative.

Edited December 25, 2022 by candide

[connda]

The report has no weight in the judicial system.  Well, granted.  A politicized DOJ may try to implement the Jan 6th Congressional Star Chamber recommendations, but?  It will go to the SCOTUS and get shot down.

"Our Democracy is in danger!"

Agreed!  By a one party duopoly and 'public-private partnerships' which reek of classical fascism.  It seems money buys the power.  Average Joe's and Jill's can't compete with the corporate and billionaire donations that buy the election results.  Thanks SCOTUS ruling on Citizens United.  It ushered in fascism and a system where the rich and wealthy can buy election.  Look at how much money was poured into the 2022 election by ex-FTX CEO Sam Bankman-Fried.  They'll never claw back those funds.  And then Soros - one man destroying the integrity of the US legal system.  "Yeah, feel free to go to your local store and steal upwards of $900 in merchandise.  Misdomendor and released without bail.  Slap on the hand if you show up in court, if it goes to court, and the Soros backed DA won't file charges. 
But be a conservative in Washington DC on Jan 6th.  "Insurrection!"

The current US ain't the country I was born into 70+ years ago.  We've taken two steps forwards and three steps back.

I'll just sit back and wait for the ad-hominid comments.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, dotcalm said:

IG Report No. DODIG-2022-039, p.31

Web-direct link:

https://media.defense.gov/2021/Nov/19/2002896088/-1/-1/1/DODIG-2022-039%20V2%20508.PDF

 

“the President told Mr. Miller that there would be a large number of protestors on January 6, 2021, and Mr. Miller should ensure sufficient National Guard or Soldiers would be there to make sure it was a safe event.”
 

Gen. Kellogg: Trump did request Nat’l Guard troops on Jan. 6th; asks Congress to release his testimony
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/08/gen-kellogg-trump-did-request-natl-guard-troops-on-jan-6th-asks-congress-to-release-his-testimony/

 

There you have it.

 

Now go check the recent investigation and how speaker Pelosi and her emails show her involvement in the security breakdown and failures.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/12/21/senate-report-on-january-6-security-failures-released-n2617426

615777633-Report-of-Investigation-Security-Failures-at-the-United-States-Capitol-on-January-6-2021.pdf 9.23 MB · 0 downloads

Your sources show that the need for National Guard troops was discussed.  They don't show that Trump ever ordered or made a formal request that they be there. 

 

Talking about doing something is not the same as doing it.

Edited December 25, 2022 by heybruce

[candide]

A good highlight of key points in the report

Jan. 6 report says Trump floated plan for 10,000 troops to protect him - recap of findings

https://news.yahoo.com/jan-6-committees-final-report-134753140.html

 

In particular:

"Two days before the Jan. 6 assault, then-President Donald Trump persisted in his desire to accompany demonstrators on a march to the Capitol, suggesting that 10,000 National Guard troops could provide protection for him and an entourage.

According to the committee, White House Senior Advisor Max Miller “shot it down immediately” out of concern for Trump’s safety, indicating that there was no additional conversation about the National Guard protection plan.

“Just glad we killed the national guard and a procession,” Miller later texted to Trump aide Katrina Pierson.

The episode stands out, as there is no evidence that Trump ever called on the National Guard to put down the eventual riot at the Capitol, contributing to the long-delayed military response to the violent assault"

 

[BusyB]

21 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

Yes, if he’s barred from office or convicted (or jailed), it’s likely that there will be some violence, but that’s something the country will just have to go through, because it's preferable to not holding him accountable for proven crimes -- the US does not have monarchs or dictators, at least not in theory. And I don’t believe the violence would be as widespread or the consequences as dire as you state; even his hard-core supporters are starting to fall off. He's beginning to look like a spent force.

They are a pathetically small minority of pathetic losers. They can cause some damage and even death, but like the recent ''Reichsbürger'' in Germany they are ultimately impotent fools.

 

As long as you keep them away from the levers of power.

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6 hours ago, ozimoron said:

DeSantis will be hated by the left just as much as Trump. Nothing will be gained there. The Republicans need to find the center ground to appeal to independent voters. DeSantis isn't that.

First Desantis appoints a loon as his surgeon general who releases a substandard report about the dangers of vaccination. He's done other nutty stuff as well. Then he acts to convene a grand jury to look into criminally prosecuting God knows who for supposed offenses committed in the name of vaccination. Finally he appointed to a state court a judge who lost an election because of an unpopular abortion decision. Well, unpopular among the pro-choice crowd. Among the hard line proponents of forced birth, I'm sure it was very popular.

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Your sources show that the need for National Guard troops was discussed.  They don't show that Trump ever ordered or made a formal request that they be there. 

 

Talking about doing something is not the same as doing it.

Trump was after all a big talker who never really followed through with actions. The National guard and fencing came after the attack. If Trump believed an attack was immi ent he could have made a televised response telling everyone inclufing his gang of Proud Boys and Oath Keepers to steer clear of the congressional house and senate, but he did not. During the riot he never once did anything presidential to stop the rampaging group. In fact he tweeted his support for hanging Pence......not something anyone in a Presidential position should have ever done to his own VP. That in itself shows his disregard for democracy.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/05/25/trump-expressed-support-hanging-pence-capitol-riot-jan-6-00035117&ved=2ahUKEwjZsd2jxpT8AhXJAjQIHVGKCMMQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3ra21WfUWZN3n4qwwLk3Vd

[dotcalm]

It’s quite peculiar (more like pathetic) how the J6 committee presented  evidence about what what an official failed to do and the last hearing seemed to focus on a number of things that did not occur, from a draft tweet that was not sent to an executive order that was never signed. There were discussions of appointing Trump attorney Sidney Powell as a special counsel, seizing voting machines or replacing the Justice Department’s leadership. It is a bizarre list, but it is also notable in that no final action was taken on such proposals.
However, while repeatedly omitted by the Committee, Trump told his supporters to go to the Capitol “peacefully” to support Republicans challenging the election. At 1:11 p.m., Trump concluded his speech. Around 2:10 p.m., people surged up the Capitol steps. At 4:17 p.m., Trump made his statement to stop — roughly an hour and a half later.
And as usual the regime media also downplayed the glaring failure of the J6 Committee to produce what it described as bombshell evidence of a criminal conspiracy by Trump. Members like Rep. Adam Schiff (D., Ca.) repeatedly promised that the next hearing would reveal such direct evidence only to have the same rehashing of the prior claims for prosecution.
Despite the broad condemnation of Trump for his speech and conduct on that day, there is a difference between what is viewed as questionable behavior and what is chargeable as criminal conduct.

[candide]

24 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Trump was after all a big talker who never really followed through with actions. The National guard and fencing came after the attack. If Trump believed an attack was immi ent he could have made a televised response telling everyone inclufing his gang of Proud Boys and Oath Keepers to steer clear of the congressional house and senate, but he did not. During the riot he never once did anything presidential to stop the rampaging group. In fact he tweeted his support for hanging Pence......not something anyone in a Presidential position should have ever done to his own VP. That in itself shows his disregard for democracy.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/05/25/trump-expressed-support-hanging-pence-capitol-riot-jan-6-00035117&ved=2ahUKEwjZsd2jxpT8AhXJAjQIHVGKCMMQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3ra21WfUWZN3n4qwwLk3Vd

Well, the good side of it is that, if it didn't happen, we would have missed this! ????

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/24/josh-hawley-republican-senator-ran-running-capitol-attack-kansas-city-star

[candide]

11 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

However, while repeatedly omitted by the Committee, Trump told his supporters to go to the Capitol “peacefully” to support Republicans challenging the election.

It's a lie. It has already been pointed out to you, and you knowingly repeat the same lie. Posting it over and over will not make it true. The report doesn't ommit this fact.

 

Posting on his social media site, Trump called the report “highly partisan” and falsely claimed it didn’t include his statement on January 6 that his supporters should protest “peacefully and patriotically.” The committee did include that statement, though, and noted that he followed that comment with election falsehoods and charged language exhorting the crowd to “fight like hell.”

https://www.euronews.com/2022/12/23/house-committee-report-says-donald-trump-lit-the-fire-of-capitol-riots

[ThailandRyan]

18 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

It’s quite peculiar (more like pathetic) how the J6 committee presented  evidence about what what an official failed to do and the last hearing seemed to focus on a number of things that did not occur, from a draft tweet that was not sent to an executive order that was never signed. There were discussions of appointing Trump attorney Sidney Powell as a special counsel, seizing voting machines or replacing the Justice Department’s leadership. It is a bizarre list, but it is also notable in that no final action was taken on such proposals.
However, while repeatedly omitted by the Committee, Trump told his supporters to go to the Capitol “peacefully” to support Republicans challenging the election. At 1:11 p.m., Trump concluded his speech. Around 2:10 p.m., people surged up the Capitol steps. At 4:17 p.m., Trump made his statement to stop — roughly an hour and a half later.
And as usual the regime media also downplayed the glaring failure of the J6 Committee to produce what it described as bombshell evidence of a criminal conspiracy by Trump. Members like Rep. Adam Schiff (D., Ca.) repeatedly promised that the next hearing would reveal such direct evidence only to have the same rehashing of the prior claims for prosecution.
Despite the broad condemnation of Trump for his speech and conduct on that day, there is a difference between what is viewed as questionable behavior and what is chargeable as criminal conduct.

He instigated the riot, it was not peacefully and he agreed in a tweet Pence should hang....as a MAGA member, who I am fairly certain you are, you just can not stop supporting the wrong doings by your hero.

[metisdead]

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9 hours ago, superal said:

Well , like him or hate him , Trump is still a popular republican .  Now whether it is him as the next POTUS or Desantis is another matter but Trump will be part of the republican government .  

So you are claiming he will hold some elected office or be appointed to some official post. Any idea what that office or post will be?

[jvs]

1 hour ago, dotcalm said:

Despite the broad condemnation of Trump for his speech and conduct on that day, there is a difference between what is viewed as questionable behavior and what is chargeable as criminal conduct.

Agreed,de courts will decide,the question is,how many times do the courts

have to find him guilty before his followers do?

@dotcalm ,will you accept the outcome of the court?

[ThailandRyan]

53 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So you are claiming he will hold some elected office or be appointed to some official post. Any idea what that office or post will be?

Postmaster general for the Prison system working from Leavenworth....