Classified documents from Biden’s time as VP discovered in private office

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Evidence that Trump personally "took" the documents? I saw no evidence that Donald Trump personally took any classified documents as you insinuate. In all likelihood in both Biden and Trump's(and the other ex Presidents and non ex Presidents too) being caught with classified documents it would have been staffers physically doing the taking/storing, and in all probability without even the knowledge of either of the 2 mentioned.

 

The difference in these 2 cases will be in the contents of the documents. IF it turns out that DT had possession of some dinner menus and a paperback novel and JB has vital top secret documents perhaps even pertaining to the deep state disinformation campaign to make his corruption issues go away then it will be devastating. We will just have to be patient, but sure the left have egg on their faces now, and are not in a happy place.

Evidence that Trump personally "took" the documents? I saw no evidence that Donald Trump personally took any classified documents as you insinuate.

 

You're being pedantic. Trump admits taking sensitive documents from White House to Mar-a-Lago in new filings

Former President Donald Trump admitted that he took reams of records from the White House to Mar-a-Lago

[Bkk Brian]

22 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Wow this just keeps getting worse and worse for him. I suspect a raid on all his residences will be imminent. 

Keep dreaming. 

[vandeventer]

30 minutes ago, Credo said:

He never got caught.  He had the documents returned.  No police, no FBI.  His attorneys saw them and called the WH; the WH advised they needed to be turned over to the NA.  They called the NA who retrieved them the next day.  Everything was turned over including obviously personal papers to the NA and they can sort it out and return what belongs to Biden.   

 

At least Trump had two secret service guards standing by his documents. Biden forgot he even had them.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, vandeventer said:

At least Trump had two secret service guards standing by his documents. Biden forgot he even had them.

Provide a link that Trump had two secret service guards standing by his documents at Mar-a-Lago

 

Were they also there when aides were caught moving boxes of documents out of the storage room?

 

Trump Aide Was Seen on Security Footage Moving Boxes at ...

Oct 12, 2565 BE — Trump was captured on security camera footage moving boxes out of a storage room at Mar-a-Lago

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/12/us/politics/trump-mar-a-lago-walt-nauta.html

 

How about in early Dec, just a few weeks ago more were found in storage facilities?

 

"The presence of documents marked classified in a second location beyond Mar-a-Lago, earlier reported by the Washington Post, appears to confirm the justice department’s suspicions, communicated to Trump’s lawyers in October, that Trump possessed additional government records."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/07/trump-classified-documents-found

[cdemundo]

20 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Sounds like you are saying possessing classified docs is legal until one is caught. I'm no lawyer, but it sounds a false assertion.

 

 After the left made hay over others in possession of classified docs, this is most inconvenient to put it mildly!

 

 If this had been made public before the midterms as the other case was......

If you or I had concealed our possession of classified docs, obstructed the investigation and made public statements denigrating law enforcement, I am guessing we would be cooling our heels in Federal Prison promptly.

It seems that Trump has been treated with extraordinary leniency.

[heybruce]

16 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

It's a bit suspicious why liberal media is jumping on this. Could it be the liberal media has been given the go ahead to attack Biden? Possibly.......

Really?  You think it's suspicious that news organizations are reporting news?

[heybruce]

12 hours ago, dotcalm said:

I'll keep it simple for you: the PRA (Presidential Records Act).

Biden was VP at the time.

The Presidential Records Act is one of the laws Trump violated when he took official documents without clearing it with the National Archives.  No one has accused Biden of doing that.

[heybruce]

11 hours ago, dotcalm said:

what jury? The one there won't be?

 

Then, indict him based on the evidence.

 

indict him; should have done so already. So don't expect it now.

 

Biden was VP and was not authorized to possess them period, full stop. Ignorance is not a defense to the law. Refer to the PRA and the EO I mentioned previously. In essence possession of classified docs is a total no brainer crime unless you are POTUS, NOT a VP. Biden's goose is cooked.

Biden made the case (prima facia) by possessing them, illegally, as he had no authority to have classified records/docs which is federal crime and he will/should be held accountable.

If he was POTUS at the time we would not be having this discussion

"Biden was VP and was not authorized to possess them period, full stop."

 

If you think Vice President's are not given security clearances and access to classified, you should stop posting now.  You are embarrassing yourself.

Edited January 11, 2023 by heybruce

[heybruce]

9 hours ago, dotcalm said:

That's your opinion and obviously you have no basic grasp of the PRA. Clinton, his wife, etc all set the precedent for classified doc retention and suddenly it changes for Trump. There are no indictments coming for Trump unless Biden gets done over too. They are picking on Trump and obviously they have jack-<deleted> or they wouldn't sick the partisan hack job prosecutor on him and for what? Jan 6th is a wipe-out and massive humiliation for the uniparty and it's all but dead in the water now and Mar-a-Lago is as well now. 6 years of liberal deep state buffoonery trying to "get Trump" and they still have nothing but now they got Biden stealing classified documents and storing them in his private office at UPenn which just so happened to receive $54M in anonymous donations from Chinese after Biden began his "think tank" there. That's serious and sounds like potential corruption and  Biden could very well be compromised after theft of classified docs, did the Chinese see them or given copies?

He's done like dinner, and he needs to go. As if the evidence of the Biden pay for play schemes tied to the laptop is not enough, you  have this, he's DANGEROUS to America. Trump's a saint compared to Biden.

 

9 hours ago, dotcalm said:

And with Biden, he has stolen classified US documents, they were in in his possession, as admitted to by his lawyers after they caught. Being the VP, Biden had no legal basis for retention of any classified materials whereas the PRA specifies the authority of the President handling and possessing classified material.

 

Biden is a thief plain and simple, he STOLE classified material from the US gov't the question now is what did he do with the classified materials he stole while VP under Obama.

He is a fool and a dangerous corrupt one at that.

 

8 hours ago, dotcalm said:

Now, considering the circumstances and the evidence of the Biden family corruption the FBI must launch raids all of Biden's residences immediately to locate any more classified and sensitive documents Biden may have stolen and to stop any potential threat to American democracy caused by Biden's actions. It's critical now to put a stop to the treasonous acts of the former VP and now POTUS. Biden is DANGEROUS, and this needs to be investigated and mitigated without delay.

My warning came too late; you kept posting nonsense.

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, dotcalm said:

Oh, but / and it begs the question why the Chinese anonymously donated $54M to the UPenn, where Biden kept an office there until 2020, yet again you see the endless connections between Biden(s) and China.

This warrants serious investigation and likely will be pursued by congress. I take this to be just another "sign" that the decision makers want to exit Biden, as he's not wanted by his own party. It strikes me as odd that CNN is even covering Biden's latest news of his suspicious actions instead of running cover for him. Maybe Biden will be done soon.

 

https://nypost.com/202/04/09/54m-in-chinese-gifts-donated-to-upenn-home-of-biden-center/

I'd be happy to see Biden gone but for Harris being next in line. Bad as he is I prefer him to her.

[scorecard]

19 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Oh dear. How embarrassing for The Dems. ????

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64218179

 

I guess this is one instance where Biden's lack of cognitive functioning could actually work in his favour. "I forgot" could actually be believable.????

 

 Perhaps you should read more carefully and get the facts straight.

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 hour ago, cdemundo said:

If you or I had concealed our possession of classified docs, obstructed the investigation and made public statements denigrating law enforcement, I am guessing we would be cooling our heels in Federal Prison promptly.

It seems that Trump has been treated with extraordinary leniency.

Neither you nor I were the POTUS, so the comparison is meaningless.

 

Raiding Trumps home before the midterms on such ridiculous premise,  (while Biden himself had possession of similar which was all secret squirrel hush hush from the doj and media) is totally dishonest. Garland will one day be forced to account for his actions, which completely undermine the DOJ and the concept of a single tier judicial system. Politicizing the DOJ will be the lefts undoing IMHO.

[pomchop]

1 minute ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Neither you nor I were the POTUS, so the comparison is meaningless.

 

Raiding Trumps home before the midterms on such ridiculous premise,  (while Biden himself had possession of similar which was all secret squirrel hush hush from the doj and media) is totally dishonest. Garland will one day be forced to account for his actions, which completely undermine the DOJ and the concept of a single tier judicial system. Politicizing the DOJ will be the lefts undoing IMHO.

How many gallons of kool aide does one have to drink not to see the difference between how trump took. claimed to mysteriously declassify, claimed were planted, refused to turn them over after admitting that yes he took them, had to be raided to get them back, had them stored hap hazardly in a non secure location, had lawyer certify that all had been turned over only to be found a lie, then claimed they were all his property, and still whines like a 5 y.o. about how unfair it all is/was....compared to biden whose lawyers found some docs, immediately reported it and provided full cooperation in returning them.

[placeholder]

3 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Read any news even CNN can tell you. Presidents and VP's have been getting away with this for years, but only Trump gets to have the FBI in full force at his door.. Is this Justice or Just us???

Really? They've been taking documents without National Archives approval and then refusing to return them when asked to? And then lying about it? What don't you understand about the fact that this only became a criminal investigation after Trump refused to return documents and apparently lied about it? What other Presidents have done that?

All he had to do was say "Oops. sorry" when asked to return the documents and this would never have been an issue.

Edited January 11, 2023 by placeholder

[Eric Loh]

9 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Neither you nor I were the POTUS, so the comparison is meaningless.

 

Raiding Trumps home before the midterms on such ridiculous premise,  (while Biden himself had possession of similar which was all secret squirrel hush hush from the doj and media) is totally dishonest. Garland will one day be forced to account for his actions, which completely undermine the DOJ and the concept of a single tier judicial system. Politicizing the DOJ will be the lefts undoing IMHO.

Your post is meaningless as usual. The magnitude, cooperation and intent are so stark different and obvious. Get a grib and cut down your consumption of kool-aid. 

[Pattaya Spotter]

Tricky Joe "surprised" classified documents found in his [non-governmental] private office.

 

Biden ‘Surprised’ to Learn Classified Documents Were Found in Private Office https://nyti.ms/3XknGjF

Edited January 11, 2023 by Pattaya Spotter

[pomchop]

28 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Tricky Joe "surprised" classified documents found in his [non-governmental] private office.

 

Biden ‘Surprised’ to Learn Classified Documents Were Found in Private Office https://nyti.ms/3XknGjF

Criminal trump "surprised" that having dozens of top secret classified docs that he illegally took and stored haphardly in an unsecured location, then denied having them, then claimed he had magically declassified them, then claimed he owned them, then refused repeated requests to turn them over, then had to be legally raided to get docs back, then had lawyer certify that all had been returned when they had not, now whines as to how unfair it all is/was.....

 

biden lawyers find some docs immediately notify authorities then full cooperation to return them...

 

what part of that difference do trumpers fail to grasp?  

[Rimmer]

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[Hanaguma]

I guess poor ol' Joe was just confused again. Even though he was trying to dunk on the Bad Orange Man just a few months ago during an interview. "How that could possibly happen, how one anyone could be that irresponsible," he said in a segment on 60 Minutes.  

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-joe-biden-60-minutes-interview-transcript-2022-09-18/

 

Well, now he knows. 

Edited January 11, 2023 by Hanaguma
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[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I guess poor ol' Joe was just confused again. Even though he was trying to dunk on the Bad Orange Man just a few months ago during an interview. "How that could possibly happen, how one anyone could be that irresponsible," he said in a segment on 60 Minutes.  

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-joe-biden-60-minutes-interview-transcript-2022-09-18/

 

Well, now he knows. 

Only if you yourself are confused between Trump’s deliberate removal, concealing and retaining documents with Biden’s team finding documents and immediately reporting and returning them.

 

 

[Hanaguma]

25 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Only if you yourself are confused between Trump’s deliberate removal, concealing and retaining documents with Biden’s team finding documents and immediately reporting and returning them.

 

 

Not at all. The two cases are not the same. But the delicious irony of President Joe tut-tutting over something he also did is cause for great mirth.  

 

Also ironic is Joe Biden having a "think tank" at a university.  I would like to see evidence that he thinks before accepting it as reality. 

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Hanaguma said:

Not at all. The two cases are not the same. But the delicious irony of President Joe tut-tutting over something he also did is cause for great mirth.  

 

Also ironic is Joe Biden having a "think tank" at a university.  I would like to see evidence that he thinks before accepting it as reality. 

You deny being confused over the difference and then state they are the same thing.

 

If the cases are not the same then Biden didn’t do the same thing as Trump.

 

Simples.

[Hanaguma]

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You deny being confused over the difference and then state they are the same thing.

 

If the cases are not the same then Biden didn’t do the same thing as Trump.

 

Simples.

You are engaging in what the Dutch call "ant f...king".  Trying to parse out the details in order to prove your point.  

 

Let's agree that they are similar in that they involve mis-handling of classified documents. They are dissimilar in scope and reaction. OK?

 

Thy hypocrisy of the current occupant of the White House still stands.

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

You are engaging in what the Dutch call "ant f...king".  Trying to parse out the details in order to prove your point.  

 

Let's agree that they are similar in that they involve mis-handling of classified documents. They are dissimilar in scope and reaction. OK?

 

Thy hypocrisy of the current occupant of the White House still stands.

In the Trump case there is clear indication of criminality and obstruction.

 

In the Biden case there is clear indication of self reporting and cooperation.

I stand by my first post in this thread:

 

On 1/10/2023 at 7:42 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Good to see President Biden’s lawyers acting decisively to report this find.

 

Good to see USAG acting decisively to investigate the matter.

 

If criminality is found, then indict.

 

The criminal holding, withholding or concealment of classified documents should always be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

 

If criminality is not found, make a clear unequivocal statement to that effect.

 

 

 

 

 

[Peabody]

13 hours ago, dotcalm said:

Now, considering the circumstances and the evidence of the Biden family corruption the FBI must launch raids all of Biden's residences immediately to locate any more classified and sensitive documents Biden may have stolen and to stop any potential threat to American democracy caused by Biden's actions. It's critical now to put a stop to the treasonous acts of the former VP and now POTUS. Biden is DANGEROUS, and this needs to be investigated and mitigated without delay.

Just stop

[scorecard]

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Neither you nor I were the POTUS, so the comparison is meaningless.

 

Raiding Trumps home before the midterms on such ridiculous premise,  (while Biden himself had possession of similar which was all secret squirrel hush hush from the doj and media) is totally dishonest. Garland will one day be forced to account for his actions, which completely undermine the DOJ and the concept of a single tier judicial system. Politicizing the DOJ will be the lefts undoing IMHO.

The item that Garland should be questioned about is why haven't trump and several of his crones been charged and now serving time (if found guilty of course and there's more evidence of guilt than would sink a ship).

Edited January 11, 2023 by scorecard

[Pattaya Spotter]

4 hours ago, pomchop said:

 

biden lawyers find some docs immediately notify authorities then full cooperation to return them..

But why did he have them in the first place...selling them to the Chinese? 

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

But why did he have them in the first place...selling them to the Chinese? 

Selling them to Eskimos.

[TingTonger]

21 hours ago, ozimoron said:

He won't because he doesn't plan to keep them.

Like Trump Selling Everything he can get his hands on What did he give Saudis for 2 Billion 

[pomchop]

49 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

But why did he have them in the first place...selling them to the Chinese? 

no that would be the trump playbook as grifter in chief.