Classified documents from Biden’s time as VP discovered in private office

[Bkk Brian]

21 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

Source: White House's misleading statements reinforced the need for a special counsel

"But one Justice official said the White House’s public statements earlier this week, offering an incomplete narrative about the classified documents from Biden’s time as vice president, reinforced the need for a special counsel.

The misleading statements created the impression that Biden’s team had something to hide, the official said."

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/garland-attorney-general-statement-01-12-23/h_36dab2bcc592480cede99af94cff7f23

Thanks for confirming that no further statements can be given until Special Council has reported to DOJ

[EVENKEEL]

35 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Promptly returned to the National Archives or immediately allowed the FBI to secure about 10’classified documents and 5 pages. Full cooperation with the DOJ investigation. That’s how it should be done legally by Biden’s staff. 

After what, 6 yrs or so......yeah real good Biden.

[dotcalm]

20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Thanks for confirming that no further statements can be given until Special Council has reported to DOJ

There won't be much to report as Biden as agreed that all the elements of the offense are established. That means he's cooked, done, all that remains is to plead for mercy and walk away from politics in disgrace.

 

He absolutely must be stripped of his security clearance and I suspect this can be brought forth by GOP Comer and the planned corruption investigation of Biden.

Edited January 15, 2023 by dotcalm

[metisdead]

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[Bkk Brian]

21 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

There won't be much to report as Biden as agreed that all the elements of the offense are established. That means he's cooked, done, all that remains is to plead for mercy and walk away from politics in disgrace.

 

He absolutely must be stripped of his security clearance and I suspect this can be brought forth by GOP Comer and the planned corruption investigation of Biden.

There won't be much to report as Biden as agreed that all the elements of the offense are established. That means he's cooked, done, all that remains is to plead for mercy and walk away from politics in disgrace.

 

Now your just embarrassing yourself, provide a link to those claims

[Eric Loh]

43 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

After what, 6 yrs or so......yeah real good Biden.

Any evidence that he willfully kept the documents for 6 years? Or NARA knew and subpoena Biden to return the documents? Please enlighten. 

[dotcalm]

Bidens does not dispute the classified materials were in his possession, and even claims they were kept in a locked garage and his explanation is “inadvertently misplaced.”

 

 That is clearly an admission of the crime of being in possession of classified US government documents which is federal criminal offense, and Biden the WH and the lawyers are not disputing it.

 

The “inadvertent mishandling” is as incomplete a criminal defense as Bill Clinton’s claim that he smoked marijuana but “didn’t inhale.” It is designed to suggest that, while the act may technically violate the law, the conduct is excusable or harmless. 

So, Joe Biden has admitted that, while he was Vice President and for six years after that, he violated national security laws.

 

This should qualify as an impeachable offense without question,

 

"Inadvertently misplaced" is no defense for Biden

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6318611301112

Edited January 15, 2023 by dotcalm

[Pattaya Spotter]

27 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Any evidence that he willfully kept the documents for 6 years? Or NARA knew and subpoena Biden to return the documents? Please enlighten. 

The crime is not "willfully" keeping the documents...it's having them in the first place (even if he locked the garage door)!

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

Established, by carelessly flouting the standards for safeguarding classified records.  Possession is 9 points of the law in America and the WH lawyers have stated Biden was in possession of classified documents in the UPenn offices and his personal resience. The AG is pursuing this for cause and good reason.

Apparently you disregard due process and jump to conclusion. The only correct thing you post is that the special counsel is pursuing the case. Until the investigation is concluded with findings, yours is just a personal opinion. 

[dotcalm]

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Until the investigation is concluded with findings, yours is just a personal opinion. 

Check it out, Biden's lawyers have stated that he's in possession of classified documents. Apparently it is you who needs to become informed and get your statements correct.

 

• The White House announced that Biden's personal attorneys discovered an additional five pages of classified material at his home in Delaware this week while the DOJ was on site to take possession of the original classified document.

https://www.axios.com/2023/01/12/biden-classified-documents-timeline

Edited January 15, 2023 by dotcalm

[dotcalm]

And why are Biden's lawyers searching for classified government records at Biden's home and not the FBI?

 

Double standard.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, dotcalm said:

And why are Biden's lawyers searching for classified government records at Biden's home and not the FBI?

 

Double standard.

No double standards here. The same reason Trump Lawyers were told to do the same thing and found more documents in a separate location to Mar-a-Lago a few weeks ago.

 

Trump lawyers find two more classified documents at Florida storage unit

The new discovery could exacerbate the former president’s legal exposure after the FBI seized 103 documents marked classified at his Mar-a-Lago resort in August as part of the justice department’s criminal investigation into the possible unauthorized retention of national security information and obstruction of justice.

Trump’s lawyers found the documents after the former president retained an outside firm to search four locations after a federal judge ordered his legal team to conduct a more thorough search to make sure all documents marked classified had been returned to the government.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/07/trump-classified-documents-found

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[Eric Loh]

13 minutes ago, dotcalm said:

Check it out, Biden's lawyers have stated that he's in possession of classified documents. Apparently it is you who needs to become informed and get your statements correct.

 

• The White House announced that Biden's personal attorneys discovered an additional five pages of classified material at his home in Delaware this week while the DOJ was on site to take possession of the original classified document.

https://www.axios.com/2023/01/12/biden-classified-documents-timeline

You have low understanding of the law. Finding the documents in his home doesn’t proved that he took the documents. Contrasting with Trump as an example he asked his staff to pack the documents and send to Mar-la-go. 

[dotcalm]

32 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Not saying Biden took anything, but it was in his office and home that he was in possession of classified documents and did not have the right to have them.

 

32 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You have low understanding of the law. Finding the documents in his home doesn’t proved that he took the documents. Contrasting with Trump as an example he asked his staff to pack the documents and send to Mar-la-go. 

He was in possession of classified documents, (how he got them is not the litmus test for a prosecution and conviction) which he had no right to and mishandled them by storing them insecurely. That's a criminal offense in America and a very serious one. Do not need to prove anything beyond possession or intent. Biden possessed them and mishandled them. Thats a felony n America, plain and simple. You obviously have  no understanding of US federal laws.

Edited January 15, 2023 by dotcalm

[dotcalm]

45 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Finding the documents in his home doesn’t proved that he took the documents. Contrasting with Trump as an example he asked his staff to pack the documents and send to Mar-la-go

Confirmation Thursday that additional documents had been found prompted Attorney General Merrick Garland to appoint special counsel Robert Hur to determine whether Biden illegally mishandled classified documents when he was vice president and in the years afterward.

 

No need to show Biden took documents.

[Jingthing]

Whatever the facts of the case, this is not a good look for Biden, and the timing is awful as he was he is expected to announce his reelection bid fairly soon.

i'm wondering now if he shouldn't.

Trump will probably be nominated. Normally any incumbent is the best bet to win, but this has me worried.

Trump being reelected means total American fascist takeover.

Edited January 15, 2023 by Jingthing

[ozimoron]

Schiff says it’s possible national security was jeopardized with Biden documents

 

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said Congress could not “exclude the possibility” that national security was jeopardized by the handling of President Biden’s classified documents, which are now at the center of a Department of Justice probe.

“I don’t think we can exclude the possibility without knowing more of the facts,” Schiff said on ABC’s “This Week” in an interview with Jonathan Karl. “I’d like to know what these documents were, I’d like to know what the (special counsel’s) assessment is.”

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/3814036-schiff-says-its-possible-national-security-was-jeopardized-with-biden-documents/

[riclag]

9 hours ago, dotcalm said:

All the facts and details about the Biden document scandal are those that Biden's lawyers want you to know, and that won't include much transparency or truth. Biden's WH and lawyers are the only sources of information details of this serious breach of security laws. But Biden's WH and lawyers are transparent, or not.

 

Unless Biden's personal attorneys who discovered and searched for the classified material lawyers had security clearances they too are in violation of national security laws and mishandling classified information.

So, docs first uncovered November 2, 2022 but the lawyers didn't search until January 9, 2023. Very suspicious and why was this not reported earlier, say on Nov 2/2022? Ah, election was a a few days later. I got it.

So your right about more national security violations. bidens lawyers were exposed to one , just one,according to Sauber and PBSnews.What a dumpster fire this is! bidens handlers made a huge miscalculation !
“Sauber said in a statement Saturday that Biden’s personal lawyers, who did not have security clearances, stopped their search after finding the first page on Wednesday evening. Sauber found the remaining material Thursday, as he was facilitating their retrieval by the Department of Justice”.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/lawyers-found-more-classified-documents-at-bidens-home-than-previously-stated

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The crime is not "willfully" keeping the documents...it's having them in the first place (even if he locked the garage door)!

Not so:

 

“18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material:

Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.”

 

I’ve underlined the text to help you understand that the crime under the title has two components, both of which must be present ‘possession’ and ‘intent to retain’.

Possession is not in and of itself a crime.

 

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

52 minutes ago, riclag said:

So your right about more national security violations. bidens lawyers were exposed to one , just one,according to Sauber and PBSnews.What a dumpster fire this is! bidens handlers made a huge miscalculation !
“Sauber said in a statement Saturday that Biden’s personal lawyers, who did not have security clearances, stopped their search after finding the first page on Wednesday evening. Sauber found the remaining material Thursday, as he was facilitating their retrieval by the Department of Justice”.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/lawyers-found-more-classified-documents-at-bidens-home-than-previously-stated

Put a pin in that that ‘exposing classified documents to people without security clearance’.

 

We will come back to this, though perhaps not in this particular case.

[candide]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

So your right about more national security violations. bidens lawyers were exposed to one , just one,according to Sauber and PBSnews.What a dumpster fire this is! bidens handlers made a huge miscalculation !
“Sauber said in a statement Saturday that Biden’s personal lawyers, who did not have security clearances, stopped their search after finding the first page on Wednesday evening. Sauber found the remaining material Thursday, as he was facilitating their retrieval by the Department of Justice”.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/lawyers-found-more-classified-documents-at-bidens-home-than-previously-stated

As before, an intentionally misleading and truncated presentation of facts.

 

As already replied to you in another thread, it is a faultless SOP. When lawyers find anything marked classified, they leave it as it is and call Sauber who is accredited to access classified documents.

 

Following the initial discovery of the Penn Biden Center documents, whenever a document bearing classified markings was identified, the search was suspended of the box, file or other space where the document was discovered, with the potentially classified material left in place as found,” Bauer said, adding the US government was “promptly notified.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/14/politics/biden-classified-documents-wilmington-delaware-home/index.html

 

BTW, what a contrast with Trump. The people who searched and collected the documents in other locations than Mar of the lardo were not even lawyers.

Edited January 15, 2023 by candide

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/15/2023 at 6:40 AM, Credo said:

No, they were not in the process of being negotiated.  The documents were the property of the government, who asked for them back.  They were not returned even after a subpoena had been issued.  

There is no indication that the National Archives was aware of Biden's documents.  His papers were in the process of being moved from the office when the documents were discovered.  They were immediately turned over to the Archives, and the Archives in turn notified the DOJ.  

 

There is no evidence that anyone other than Biden himself gave the attorneys permission to check his home.  There was no subpoena, and there was no law enforcement involved.   

Someone knew there were classified documents in Biden's possession that should not have been there. All the but but buts in the world can't change that.

That or those person(s) need to be found.

 

There is no indication that the National Archives was aware of Biden's documents. 

That, IMO is the biggest scandal in this whole affair. WHY did they apparently not know? It's their job to know where all the classified documents are. Someone has failed in that job.

If they are that incompetent, there could be many more classified documents elsewhere that are unknown about.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, dotcalm said:

Confirmation Thursday that additional documents had been found prompted Attorney General Merrick Garland to appoint special counsel Robert Hur to determine whether Biden illegally mishandled classified documents when he was vice president and in the years afterward.

 

No need to show Biden took documents.

I am bemused by that idea being promoted that classified documents were removed when Biden lost his VP position, and unbeknown to the Archives were taken to various places including Biden's own garage, and Biden himself was completely unaware of that.

Seems Archives had no problem knowing that Trump had documents, so can we really believe they had no knowledge of the one's in Biden's possession?

[thaibeachlovers]

It's just keeps getting worse for Biden.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/14/white-house-says-more-classified-documents-found-at-bidens-home.html

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Additional classified government documents were found at President Joe Biden’s Delaware home this week, the White House confirmed Saturday.

A total of six pages of documents with classification markings were discovered at Biden’s Wilmington residence, Biden’s special counsel said in a statement.

[candide]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's just keeps getting worse for Biden.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/14/white-house-says-more-classified-documents-found-at-bidens-home.html

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Additional classified government documents were found at President Joe Biden’s Delaware home this week, the White House confirmed Saturday.

A total of six pages of documents with classification markings were discovered at Biden’s Wilmington residence, Biden’s special counsel said in a statement.

That's old news. Already discussed many times.

[riclag]

16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Someone knew there were classified documents in Biden's possession that should not have been there. All the but but buts in the world can't change that.

That or those person(s) need to be found.

 

There is no indication that the National Archives was aware of Biden's documents. 

That, IMO is the biggest scandal in this whole affair. WHY did they apparently not know? It's their job to know where all the classified documents are. Someone has failed in that job.

If they are that incompetent, there could be many more classified documents elsewhere that are unknown about.

You may be right about someone knowing they were there! I think the suppression of reporting till January 9 was huge. 
It seems many news agencies and pundits are talking about that.

[riclag]

20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's just keeps getting worse for Biden.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/14/white-house-says-more-classified-documents-found-at-bidens-home.html

Points

Additional classified government documents were found at President Joe Biden’s Delaware home this week, the White House confirmed Saturday.

A total of six pages of documents with classification markings were discovered at Biden’s Wilmington residence, Biden’s special counsel said in a statement.

The WH counsel Sauber who was hired back in May just to take on the new oversight committees,got a mess to contend with!

Can they subpoena him for questioning  dealing with the doc scandal ?

Edited January 15, 2023 by riclag

[candide]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I am bemused by that idea being promoted that classified documents were removed when Biden lost his VP position, and unbeknown to the Archives were taken to various places including Biden's own garage, and Biden himself was completely unaware of that.

Seems Archives had no problem knowing that Trump had documents, so can we really believe they had no knowledge of the one's in Biden's possession?

How many documents are classified every year? How are they kept track of? Do you know?

 

About your last question, maybe 20 documents can escape attention while 300 cannot. Actually in the case of Trump, It's much more as the NARA is not only keeping classified documents. Just during the raid they seized 11,000 documents (in addition to those the NARA already recovered before). 20 documents may be unnoticed, but not tens of thousands of documents.

[SunnyinBangrak]

12 minutes ago, riclag said:

You may be right about someone knowing they were there! I think the suppression of reporting till January 9 was huge. 
It seems many news agencies and pundits are talking about that.

Spot on. That is the over riding concern here. The suppression of Biden's stash of classified documents(at a VITAL time before the midterms) allowing him and his fans to go on dishonest and utterly hypocritical tirades against Trump for doing essentially the same thing. Looks like Biden thought his own crime would be swept under the rug by the dishonest msm and doj, extremely surprising that we got to hear about it at all.

 

A forumite yesterday took offense to the term I used for biden having "stolen" the documents. Why would I say this? Goose and gander....

 

https://twitter.com/RepJayapal/status/1567554663804817409?s=20&t=FI67jbjxbpnLscobz9435g