Gary Lineker told to step back from presenting Match of the Day

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1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Someone on here once asked how I knew Ash Sarkar was a communist. 

 

I provided quotes from her saying "I am literally a Communist, you idiot". It still wasn't enough.

 

So forgive me if I don't waste my day finding quotes from Gary saying "I am literally a socialist". It wouldn't be enough anyway. 

 

Check his twitter feed if you think he isn't.

 

Either way, I'm off for a massage. Ciao.

Now, you're distorting the truth. What you claimed was that because Ash Sarkar was a communist and a columnist for the Guardian, therefore the Guardian was communist. Even though she was one columnist among many and had long since stopped writing for the Guardian. 

[RuamRudy]

4 minutes ago, James105 said:

Do you have any evidence that the right supported the avoidance of tax by Sunak's wife?  Seems like quite the straw man you have invented there.   

Evidence that the right supported tax avoidance? You need to stop with these sweeping generalisations, especially when you make such gross mistakes in your comprehension of what you just read. I suggest you slow down and think before you post.

[transam]

Football is a worldwide sport, silly boy Lineker should have thought about Germany being one of those countries that he has and may still comment on doing his job, but to mention the Nazi's was a big mistake, in my opinion, as will probably raise eyebrows in German locker rooms...... 

 

Other than that, he is an ageing, overpaid ex-footballer that should be put out to graze at a football ground near his gaff.........

 

 

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55 minutes ago, James105 said:

If you had bothered to read the link you would then understand that it does not matter what his contract says.   In the past when Lineker has been unavailable the BBC used Dan Walker in his place.   Who pays Dan Walker?   Is it Gary Lineker via Gary Lineker Ltd or does the BBC pay Dan Walker?   If it is the BBC then Gary Lineker did not substitute himself, the BBC found a replacement just like they would do with any other "employee" so Gary Lineker fails one of the key tests of IR35. 

 

Media personalities make big money so are able to hire expensive lawyers to help them get away with this.   Normally this would be frowned upon by the left but for "reasons" are quite okay for the likes of Lineker to get away with what effectively is "alleged" tax evasion.  

Actually, it's not Gary Lineker who is liable for this misrepresentation, but the BBC. Gary Lineker obviously couldn't claim on his tax returns that he's employed by the BBC. He is not legally their employee. It's not incumbent upon him to battle the BBC's  misrepresentation of his status. Now if the govt were to go after this ruse by the BBC and force it to hire Lineker as an employee, that would be a different matter. But, in fact, the Tories would never go after this since it allows businesses to deny ordinary workers the rights and perquisites they would enjoy as employees.

[brewsterbudgen]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

Football is a worldwide sport, silly boy Lineker should have thought about Germany being one of those countries that he has and may still comment on doing his job, but to mention the Nazi's was a big mistake, in my opinion, as will probably raise eyebrows in German locker rooms...... 

 

Other than that, he is an ageing, overpaid ex-footballer that should be put out to graze at a football ground near his gaff.........

 

 

Except he didn't mention "Nazis"...

[brewsterbudgen]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Overrated footballer, with an annoying accent - along with 'Will Carling', the most hated people in Scotland.

I doubt he loses much sleep about being hated in Scotland!  555

[transam]

2 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Except he didn't mention "Nazis"...

Near enough, the seed was planted...????

[brewsterbudgen]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Near enough, the seed was planted...????

If you look at the language from Germany in the 1930s vilifying and blaming Jews, gypsies, homosexuals and immigrants, you can see he has point!  No wonder the hard-right Tories like Braverman are upset - the truth hurts!

[James105]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually, it's not Gary Lineker who is liable for this misrepresentation, but the BBC. Gary Lineker obviously couldn't claim on his tax returns that he's employed by the BBC. He is not legally their employee. It's not incumbent upon him to battle the BBC's  misrepresentation of his status. Now if the govt were to go after this ruse by the BBC and force it to hire Lineker as an employee, that would be a different matter. But, in fact, the Tories would never go after this since it allows businesses to deny ordinary workers the rights and perquisites they would enjoy as employees.

You clearly haven't operated a Ltd company before.   If you did then you would be aware that it is incumbent on the Ltd company director to ensure that tax is correctly paid,  not the other business (BBC in this case) that contracts the Ltd company's services.  Lineker is not a child.   He has accountants that advise him.  Even if he hired the most incompetent accountants in the UK it would still be down to Lineker (as the director) to pay the correct amount of tax and is the one liable for prosecution by HMRC if he does not.   

 

Yes, IR35 is terrible legislation borne out of jealousy of contractors earning more and paying less tax than their employed colleagues by the last Labour government, but normal folks have to deal with this and pay the correct amount of tax.   Just because Lineker is rich and doesn't like the Tories does not give him a free pass on this.   

[Bkk Brian]

"Richard Sambrook, former director of news at the BBC and director of BBC Global News and the BBC World Service, told the PA news agency: "For a sports presenter in their personal life to express views that aren't impartial, is not as serious as if it was a news journalist."

 

The BBC's guidelines on impartiality explained - and do they apply to Gary Lineker?

Lineker is a freelance broadcaster at the BBC - not a permanent member of staff, he does not present news or political content, he tweeted to the 8.7 million followers of his personal account, which does not include any link to the BBC or Match of the Day in his bio.

But BBC guidelines also say people who are "clearly identified with the BBC" should behave "in ways that are consistent with the BBC's editorial values and policies".

https://news.sky.com/story/the-bbcs-guidelines-on-impartiality-explained-and-do-they-apply-to-lineker-12830830

[onthedarkside]

Off topic deflection post making baseless accusations of the BBC on Covid among other misinformation

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43 minutes ago, James105 said:

You clearly haven't operated a Ltd company before.   If you did then you would be aware that it is incumbent on the Ltd company director to ensure that tax is correctly paid,  not the other business (BBC in this case) that contracts the Ltd company's services.  Lineker is not a child.   He has accountants that advise him.  Even if he hired the most incompetent accountants in the UK it would still be down to Lineker (as the director) to pay the correct amount of tax and is the one liable for prosecution by HMRC if he does not.   

 

Yes, IR35 is terrible legislation borne out of jealousy of contractors earning more and paying less tax than their employed colleagues by the last Labour government, but normal folks have to deal with this and pay the correct amount of tax.   Just because Lineker is rich and doesn't like the Tories does not give him a free pass on this.   

I see that I misunderstood the situation. Thanks for the correction.

 

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I doubt he loses much sleep about being hated in Scotland!  555

To be honest, I am not sure where the evidence for Nerranam's claim comes from. I think most Scottish umbrage towards English football celebs is still directed at Jimmy Hill.

[champers]

Match of the Day's new team.

 

[owl sees all]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

To be honest, I am not sure where the evidence for Nerranam's claim comes from. I think most Scottish umbrage towards English football celebs is still directed at Jimmy Hill.

I reckon most Rangers supporters would support Lineker. Also they mostly want independence. The two things go hand in hand.

Edited March 11, 2023 by owl sees all

[James105]

1 hour ago, champers said:

Match of the Day's new team.

 

In all fairness this would be an ideal opportunity for the BBC to pluck some fresh talent from YouTube.   There are some excellent football channels out there that create better content than what is served by MOTD.  

 

It's about time the BBC realised that presenting highlights of football matches does not require the services of someone on £1.5 million per year and can be presented by fresher, better talent for a tenth of that cost.    A win for the BBC who save a bit of cash, a win for the MOTD audience who get better presenters, and a win for Lineker who can use his free time to enter politics and/or do his ranting on Twitter without consequence.   This would be a Win/Win/Win situation.   

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

So what?  That's completely irrelevant to the issue of his Tweets. 

 

"...claiming that statues"

"Statues" [sic]?!  Huh, which statues?

Oh sorry, it was a typo, I did mean to write status 

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Except he didn't mention "Nazis"...

He did , he mentioning the  German Government of the 1930's  which were the Nazi Government 

[Bkk Brian]

Alex Scott and other pundits have pulled out of presenting the Football Focus and Final Score programmes, in solidarity with Gary Lineker, the BBC understands. Following the announcement, other Match of the Day pundits dropped out of Saturday's show in solidarity with Lineker, including Ian Wright and Alan Shearer.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/entertainment-arts-64895316

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

If you look at the language from Germany in the 1930s vilifying and blaming Jews, gypsies, homosexuals and immigrants, you can see he has point!  No wonder the hard-right Tories like Braverman are upset - the truth hurts!

Let me see "All Jews must be exterminated and wiped off the face of the Earth" and "We must stop people risking their lifes by sailing across the sea in small boats "

   Not similar at all 

 

    

[kwilco]

Anyone who buys into immigration myths is just a step away from condoning concentration camps

[kwilco]

Love the way Americans and  rexiteers cant tell the difference between Marx and Stalin.

[Mac Mickmanus]

15 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Anyone who buys into immigration myths is just a step away from condoning concentration camps

Anyone who would allow masses of people to sail across oceans in rubber dinghies is one step away from being a mass murderer

[Mac Mickmanus]

14 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Love the way Americans and  rexiteers cant tell the difference between Marx and Stalin.

Love the way remainers and French people cannot tell the difference between on-topic and off topic 

[Bkk Brian]

https://twitter.com/PFA/status/1634490666276323328

 

[Seppius]

I bet they are all still getting paid

[stevenl]

Seems the former director general of the BBC disagrees with this decision.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/mar/11/bbc-has-undermined-its-credibility-with-lineker-move-says-greg-dyke

"Dyke told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “There is a long-established precedent in the BBC that is that if you’re an entertainment presenter or you’re a football presenter, then you are not bound by those same rules.

The real problem of today is that the BBC has undermined its own credibility by doing this because it looks like – the perception out there – that the BBC has bowed to government pressure.""

Edited March 11, 2023 by stevenl

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Anyone who would allow masses of people to sail across oceans in rubber dinghies is one step away from being a mass murderer

Because the Nasty party has always been focused on alleviating the suffering of the masses...

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Because the Nasty party has always been focused on alleviating the suffering of the masses...

This is a thread about Gary Lineker and illegal immigrants , its not a thread about Conservatives and Labour and which one is the best 

[bannork]

3 hours ago, James105 said:

In all fairness this would be an ideal opportunity for the BBC to pluck some fresh talent from YouTube.   There are some excellent football channels out there that create better content than what is served by MOTD.  

 

It's about time the BBC realised that presenting highlights of football matches does not require the services of someone on £1.5 million per year and can be presented by fresher, better talent for a tenth of that cost.    A win for the BBC who save a bit of cash, a win for the MOTD audience who get better presenters, and a win for Lineker who can use his free time to enter politics and/or do his ranting on Twitter without consequence.   This would be a Win/Win/Win situation.   

Surely in football someone has to lose, or at least draw. A win win is impossible unless one side is betting against itself.