Is it being said here that can use an agent to do annual retirement renewal?

Without the need to attend in person?

If so that is news to me !

The OP in his first post refers to 90 day report which many of us do on line and it take 5 minutes and no agent involved. 

20 hours ago, biervoormij said:

I hope the agents are still around when I reach an age that I am not capable of doing it myself.

 

We have already discussed that scenario with our friendly and helpful immigration officer. If I ever get to that stage, my wife can act as my agent for free.

 

I'm actually quite happy to prepare the paperwork for our annual trip to the office. I don't leave it all until the last minute, there is plenty one can do in advance. So it is not the onerous task that people make it out to be,

 

It's 'horses for courses' isn't it. As has already been said, there are better things one can do with 10,000 THB IMO and there is a certain sense of satisfaction when that stamp is finally placed in my passport. A job well done.

 

I don’t mid going to immigration it’s like a day out in the big city (Udon Thani). The staff has always been friendly and rarely is it ever crowded. Go to lunch and stop at Import store and little over hour drive home…

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Where are you getting 6% on a fixed account, India? 

 

The account I use draws significantly more interest than my US savings account.

 

If $25,000 represents a major portion of one's savings, "tying it up" might not be a good idea, but circumventing the law comes with some level of risk as well. 

 

I think having money in the country one lives in makes sense, and the bank is a good place to keep it. If I really need the money, I can take it out. 

I'm not getting it. I'm losing it on depreciation due to inflation. Cash is a depreciating asset. I can get 7.5% elsewhere.

24 minutes ago, zombie nights said:

Is it being said here that can use an agent to do annual retirement renewal?

Without the need to attend in person?

If so that is news to me !

The OP in his first post refers to 90 day report which many of us do on line and it take 5 minutes and no agent involved. 

Using an agent to do annual renewal of extension is news to you? When did you fall asleep?

1 minute ago, bradiston said:

Using an agent to do annual renewal of extension is news to you? When did you fall asleep?

Of course can use agent for annual extension but applicant needs to attend in person.

1 minute ago, zombie nights said:

Of course can use agent for annual extension but applicant needs to attend in person.

Unless it's changed recently, not in my IO, Jomtien, as of July 2022.

2 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Or you could make online appointment. 

 

https://www.immigration.go.th/?page_id=20131

This doesn't get emphasized enough, it the single best improvement that Immigration has made in the 20 years I've been going there.  I arrived with an appointment for retirement a gew weeks ago, only took 25 minutes from document checking to passport in-hand. Pleasant experience,

 

Granted, I CHOOSE to do it myself primarily for 2 reasons, my passport remains in my possession and I keep abreast of any bureaucratic changes. Saving agent fees is just a bonus, icing on the cake as they say.

 

I'm also not anti-agent, never used them for a renewal, but have used  them for 90 reporting in the past.

 

Was wondering if you have either an opinion or any relevant statute about Immigration, particularly when it comes to agents, or "fixers",  I rather think of agents in these 2 distinct ways. The way I always thought about fixers is that Immigration is the final arbiter. This in effect, assuming you/they can reach someone who is not just staffing a desk, leaves Immigration with plenty of latitude as to whether or not to approve your renewal request under especially under extenuating circumstances.
 

Some of us live in places with no agents. And do not want to use an agent in a different province who will register us somewhere that we do nto live.

 

I would love to use an agent to avoid the extreme unpleasantness of dealing with my IO. But I have yet to find a single one that will process anything at my IO.

Did my annual extension at Nonthaburi last Thursday … arrived there 9:15am and was finished by 10:30am … before that arrived at my bank 8:30am to collect paperwork and then  a twenty minute drive to Immigration.

 

TBH I really don’t find it that much of a hassle … they only asked for one copy of everything …

My immigration office is nearly always empty. Extension takes about 1 hour ( if all documents properly prepared ). 90 day report mostly about 5 minutes. No big head ache or hassle at all. One of the advantages of not living in a tourist area , few pesky falangs around.

1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

One day of inconvenience a year is worth 10,000 baht to some, while others think it's a ridiculous waste of money.

I pay 7,500, it works for me.

Just now, nigelforbes said:

I pay 7,500, it works for me.

In Pattaya by any chance? Still 12,500 where I am.

18 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Unless it's changed recently, not in my IO, Jomtien, as of July 2022.

I have to attend, I'm told it's the one thing that cannot be avoided 

10 minutes ago, expat_4_life said:

This doesn't get emphasized enough, it the single best improvement that Immigration has made in the 20 years I've been going there

I'm hearing you.

The two big leap forward has been the ability to make appointment.

Especially in relation to CW.

 

The second is that they finally seem to have good software for 90 day reports.

 

In relation to reference to using an agent..... personally I have no issue with it at all. 

Despite what the preachers type on AseanNow there is no issue.

At some point in the future I would use agents most likely due to mobility etc. 

 

I do it myself using money in bank method retirement. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

I pay 7,500, it works for me.

Do you know how many beers that is? 

35 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

 

We have already discussed that scenario with our friendly and helpful immigration officer. If I ever get to that stage, my wife can act as my agent for free.

 

I'm actually quite happy to prepare the paperwork for our annual trip to the office. I don't leave it all until the last minute, there is plenty one can do in advance. So it is not the onerous task that people make it out to be,

 

It's 'horses for courses' isn't it. As has already been said, there are better things one can do with 10,000 THB IMO and there is a certain sense of satisfaction when that stamp is finally placed in my passport. A job well done.

 

Where are located in Thailand.

 

I am currently living in Pattaya. I have not had any issues with immigration but the immigration officers seem very busy and don't seem to have time for any type of discussion. I just hand them my paperwork and they spend a few minutes reviewing it and then ask me for the 1900 baht. I get handed a number and told to come back tomorrow to pick up my passport.

 

I understand why some people use agents just to avoid the waiting in line and the stress involved. I personally think the additional 10,000 baht seems like a high price to avoid a little stress. I do find the people that seem to find pride in the fact that they use an agent a bit strange but I also feel a bit of pride in the fact I can do it myself.

 

I plan to move when my lease is up and hope the immigration office at my next home will be a bit less stressful.  Being able to have a discussion with an immigration officer might be helpful.

5 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

I have to attend, I'm told it's the one thing that cannot be avoided 

Which IO?

1 minute ago, biervoormij said:

Where are located in Thailand.

 

I am currently living in Pattaya. I have not had any issues with immigration but the immigration officers seem very busy and don't seem to have time for any type of discussion. I just hand them my paperwork and they spend a few minutes reviewing it and then ask me for the 1900 baht. I get handed a number and told to come back tomorrow to pick up my passport.

 

I understand why some people use agents just to avoid the waiting in line and the stress involved. I personally think the additional 10,000 baht seems like a high price to avoid a little stress. I do find the people that seem to find pride in the fact that they use an agent a bit strange but I also feel a bit of pride in the fact I can do it myself.

 

I plan to move when my lease is up and hope the immigration office at my next home will be a bit less stressful.  Being able to have a discussion with an immigration officer might be helpful.

It's not the application time, but the 800/400k requirement. I want that money available 365 days a year. Can anyone explain the rationale behind it? When it came in? Whose idea it was?

1 hour ago, Moonlover said:

 

We have already discussed that scenario with our friendly and helpful immigration officer. If I ever get to that stage, my wife can act as my agent for free.

 

I'm actually quite happy to prepare the paperwork for our annual trip to the office. I don't leave it all until the last minute, there is plenty one can do in advance. So it is not the onerous task that people make it out to be,

 

It's 'horses for courses' isn't it. As has already been said, there are better things one can do with 10,000 THB IMO and there is a certain sense of satisfaction when that stamp is finally placed in my passport. A job well done.

 

Yeah, forms are all typed in neatly on the computer already, trivial just to change the dates, run off a set, affix photo, and sign. Takes about 20 min. Immigration office, choose a time less busy, could take as little as 15 min, but maybe 30-45 at most. Never any problems, always smooth. Can't imagine a need for an agent, waste of money and very weak. 

I think I'll continue to pay myself 8-10k for that hour, while sitting at Imm on my phone, trolling AN. 

 

That's like 2 or 3X what I paid myself when I did work.  And I get to pop into the mall (which we don't have) for some shopping or a munch.   Or, pays for that weekend O&A.

 

Give it away, or spend on yourself ... UP2U

6 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

I don't use an agent, but I do not understand is the animosity by people that do not use an agent toward people that do. I don't give much of a rat's what people spend their time or money on as long it does not affect me. 

 

Going to CW does not really bother me, but if it did, I would pay someone else to do it. 

Couldn't give a monkey's either, but they have to have a little bit back if they post a wind up OP like that. ????

50 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Unless it's changed recently, not in my IO, Jomtien, as of July 2022.

Still the same at Jomtien as of Feb 2023. ????

33 minutes ago, bradiston said:

It's not the application time, but the 800/400k requirement. I want that money available 365 days a year. Can anyone explain the rationale behind it? When it came in? Whose idea it was?

Sorry I am the wrong person to answer that question. I just accept the 800/400k requirement. If I would have had an issue with it I would have retired somewhere it was not a requirement. I personally don't have an issue with you using an agent to get around this but it would just add to my stress level at extension time if I did it.

1 hour ago, bradiston said:

In Pattaya by any chance? Still 12,500 where I am.

Chiang Mai

1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Do you know how many beers that is? 

Sadly, I don't drink alcohol so no, I don't know. ????

Agents are good here an all around win for everyone. 

Make sure if you use one to get the proper immigration receipts showing that you paid for the extension, multiple entry, etc.

Just to be clear for 1 year retirement visa and extension, whether with or without an agent, you MUST attend immigration  in person for signing document, photo  etc.

If anyone is saying that  they pay money to an agent to avoid doing that, then the legality of your visa and extension is questionable.

If I am wrong, please ask ubonjoe (moderator and expert) to correct me.

 

For me it is good to keep 800,000 baht in an instant access account continuously available. I never know, from one minute to the next, what will be required e.g. my neice may decide she needs a 'new' car or my Mrs spots a pick-up she likes the look of. Fortunately for me, the family is satisfied with old vehicles (Mrs has a 1995 Mighty X and niece a 2003 Honda City). Otherwise, as a previous contributor has reminded us, interest rates have risen at home and now cover agents retirement extension renewal fees more than twice over.

7 hours ago, homeseeker said:

Just to be clear for 1 year retirement visa and extension, whether with or without an agent, you MUST attend immigration  in person for signing document, photo  etc.

If anyone is saying that  they pay money to an agent to avoid doing that, then the legality of your visa and extension is questionable.

If I am wrong, please ask ubonjoe (moderator and expert) to correct me.

If you have to attend for a deskcam photo anyway then you can get away with the IO VIP service (tip to IO only, no agent involved assuming you have the funds).