NY grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump, sources tell CNN

[Scott]

A grand jury in Manhattan has voted to indict Donald Trump, according to three sources familiar with the matter – the first time in American history that a current or former president will face criminal charges.

The Manhattan district attorney’s office has been investigating the former president in connection with his alleged role in a hush money payment scheme and cover-up involving adult film star Stormy Daniels that dates to the 2016 presidential election.

The decision is sure to send shockwaves across the country, pushing the American political system – which has never seen one of its ex-leaders confronted with criminal charges, let alone while running again for president – into uncharted waters.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/30/politics/donald-trump-indictment/index.html

[candide]

The least but not the last one.....????

Edited March 30, 2023 by candide

[Credo]

3 minutes ago, 2baht said:

That will get the sheep followers going, I hope they cuff him! ????

I don't care if they cuff him.  I want to see him convicted.

 

[eisfeld]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news

 

The gloves are off I guess. This is the opening statement that they are indeed crossing that line and not just threatening. The first criminal charges in this case will be the test for how everyone reacts. The more serious stuff will then follow later.

Edited March 30, 2023 by eisfeld

[Dan747]

"TRUMP-2024"

[BKKKevin]

They won't be cheering "LOCK UM UP!" at any rallies...

[2baht]

1 hour ago, Dan747 said:

"TRUMP-2024"

Is that his prisoner number or his jail cell number? Or is that what he paid Stormy Daniels per minute for the time he spent with her! ????

Edited March 30, 2023 by 2baht

[Bkk Brian]

Only yesterday Trump was praising the Manhattan Jury 

 

Trump praises Manhattan grand jury a week after predicted arrest

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3923955-trump-praises-manhattan-grand-jury-a-week-after-predicted-arrest/

[Tug]

It’s about <deleted> time!cry baby victim tantrum storm building expect heavy sniveling ???? and major tops blowing major threats with few willing to carry them out lmao ???? 

[SunnyinBangrak]

21 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

The gloves are off I guess. This is the opening statement that they are indeed crossing that line and not just threatening. The first criminal charges in this case will be the test for how everyone reacts. The more serious stuff will then follow later.

Can you be specific. Which "more serious stuff" are you referring to? Colluding with Russia to cheat in an election? Encouraging his supporters to duff up and pour bleach on a poor black actor out for a Subway? Claiming the biden laptop was real? Anything else?

 

I'm sure when Venezuela started locking up opposition politicians that the party in power and their fans were cheering. Sad to see the US going down that route, but since all the fake news about Trump and all the silly hoaxes of course it has to end like this - apart from he will be found not guilty as the charges are political BS borne through irrational hatred of the man that gave the world 4 years of peace and prosperity.

[eisfeld]

6 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Can you be specific. Which "more serious stuff" are you referring to?

It's straight from Trumps lawyers, in the NYT I linked to.

 

Quote

Trump’s lawyers handling his federal investigations have privately said that the New York indictment will be test case of public opinion as criminal charges become a reality. They are watching closely for any backlash against Mr. Bragg that could affect the federal special counsel, Jack Smith.

Since you seem to follow Trump I'm pretty sure you know what Jack Smith was put in charge of.

Edited March 30, 2023 by eisfeld

[JohnOFphon]

27 minutes ago, Dan747 said:

"TRUMP-2024"

Leavenworth 2023....

[2baht]

*Deleted post edited out*

 

130,000 green notes!????Fool!

[Bkk Brian]

Pretty substantial change of heart on the state of justice in the United States from Donald Trump literally overnight.

 

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1641571985267511297

 

[thaibeachlovers]

Now the "entertainment" begins. This will be keeping CCN in business for a while anyway.

 

Assuming the case even gets to court, just trying to find an unbiased juror will be a major problem, and a biased jury is an appeal guarantee right there.

 

However, win or lose this is IMO the Dems dream case as voters will probably be unlikely to vote for a man that is facing a court case, and it may not go to court for years, if the American "justice" system is anything to go by. Job done for the Dems.

[kwonitoy]

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Real crimes like the consensual BJ Bill Clinton received from a more than willing aid, and the Republicans lost their minds?

[Gecko123]

I wonder how many of Trump's supporters claiming they would still vote for Trump even if he was convicted of a felony also oppose giving convicted felons the right to vote.  The hypocrisy of the supposed "law and order" party is breathtaking. Anyone who thinks this is going to help him in the polls needs to have their medication adjusted.

[Credo]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Now the "entertainment" begins. This will be keeping CCN in business for a while anyway.

 

Assuming the case even gets to court, just trying to find an unbiased juror will be a major problem, and a biased jury is an appeal guarantee right there.

 

However, win or lose this is IMO the Dems dream case as voters will probably be unlikely to vote for a man that is facing a court case, and it may not go to court for years, if the American "justice" system is anything to go by. Job done for the Dems.

Not particularly hard to find a jury.  It's a reasonably straightforward case and not particularly political.  Did he pay the money or not?  Was the payment legal or not?   That's what the judge will limit the trial to and that's what the jury will be instructed on.

 

[Tug]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Pretty substantial change of heart on the state of justice in the United States from Donald Trump literally overnight.

 

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1641571985267511297

 

The second part almost reads like a confession of his attempted coup attempt the Call to hang his Vice President and general mayhem he created on j6 don’t worry Donnie that one is a coming soon along with your attempted rigging of the election in Georgia not to mention all the civil suits you reap what you sow 

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Credo said:

Not particularly hard to find a jury.  It's a reasonably straightforward case and not particularly political.  Did he pay the money or not?  Was the payment legal or not?   That's what the judge will limit the trial to and that's what the jury will be instructed on.

 

LOL. If the anti Trumpers on here were to be on the jury, they'd vote to convict even if there was no poof at all IMO.

Doesn't matter what the judge instructs jury on, in the jury room they are the deciders. If they weren't, don't need juries.

I'm sure that if any Trump supporters were on the jury they'd be voting not guilty whatever the proof.

 

Problem for the lawyers is that there is probably no American that has no opinion on Trump.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, Dan747 said:

"TRUMP-2024"

You forgot something: TRUMP-2024 in jail.

That's better

[Credo]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. If the anti Trumpers on here were to be on the jury, they'd vote to convict even if there was no poof at all IMO.

Doesn't matter what the judge instructs jury on, in the jury room they are the deciders. If they weren't, don't need juries.

I'm sure that if any Trump supporters were on the jury they'd be voting not guilty whatever the proof.

 

Problem for the lawyers is that there is probably no American that has no opinion on Trump.

You overestimate the American public.  A lot of people are not particularly political and don't have a strong opinion one way or the other.  People that have a bias are not permitted on the jury.  You can bet your bottom dollar they will check carefully, including social media.   

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

You forgot something: TRUMP-2024 in jail.

That's better

It's exactly that sort of comment that makes me doubt they will be able to find an unbiased jury.

[Credo]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

You forgot something: TRUMP-2024 in jail.

That's better

No, for that we want 2023.  

[sammieuk1]

Will he be saying its all a stormy in a teacup covfefe mulud ????

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Credo said:

You overestimate the American public.  A lot of people are not particularly political and don't have a strong opinion one way or the other.  People that have a bias are not permitted on the jury.  You can bet your bottom dollar they will check carefully, including social media.   

Your trying to convince me that there are people in the US that don't have an opinion on Trump?

I assume the case will be held in New York, so even less chance of that, IMO.

 

I can see any conviction being set aside on appeal for being unsafe.

[Bangkok Barry]

49 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

all the fake news about Trump and all the silly hoaxes

Can you be specific? You know, like you asked others to be in your rant. Thanks.

[OneMoreFarang]

I think overall this is a sad situation.

I would love to see Trump in jail, but please for a real crime and not because he supposedly lied about a payment to a hooker.

He should have been prosecuted a long time ago for treason.

He should have been in jail for obstruction of justice.

There are so many real bad things this guy did that it is amazing that he is not in jail.

 

If he goes down basically because he f@$#%# that woman, then I understand why people are upset. 

Jail him for something real! There are more than enough real reasons. 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I think overall this is a sad situation.

I would love to see Trump in jail, but please for a real crime and not because he supposedly lied about a payment to a hooker.

He should have been prosecuted a long time ago for treason.

He should have been in jail for obstruction of justice.

There are so many real bad things this guy did that it is amazing that he is not in jail.

 

If he goes down basically because he f@$#%# that woman, then I understand why people are upset. 

Jail him for something real! There are more than enough real reasons. 

There are IMO plenty of former presidents that should have been in jail- Nixon for a start, but it's not been the American way to do so, till now.

 

I doubt the Dems care what he's eliminated from standing for, just as long as he can't, which, IMO is what it's always been about.

[Bangkok Barry]

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I think overall this is a sad situation.

I would love to see Trump in jail, but please for a real crime and not because he supposedly lied about a payment to a hooker.

He should have been prosecuted a long time ago for treason.

He should have been in jail for obstruction of justice.

There are so many real bad things this guy did that it is amazing that he is not in jail.

 

If he goes down basically because he f@$#%# that woman, then I understand why people are upset. 

Jail him for something real! There are more than enough real reasons. 

Don't worry. They'll get around to the important stuff. This will run for years, certainly long enough to prevent him from trying to hijack the next election as he tried to the last.