Non immigrant O 1 year extension fail

[Foreignheight6foot2]

Hi.

I have only 52 days for my 400k when i need to get my new extension from Chiangmai immigration.

Can I still apply for my extension, it fail and then apply again, when the money would be seasoned?

Has anyone experienced a failure in applying for extension did you have to leave? Could you reapply?

 

If this is not a possibility how would a border bounce work coming back in on a 15 day tourist visa and extending to marriage non O?

 

Much appreciated.

[proton]

Chinese woman round the corner had similar problem, but not quite the 400k, she just stuck 1k note in the passport handing it over, nothing was said and she got the extension. Or go the agent route.

[BritTim]

If you are only eligible for a 15-day visa on arrival (not a 30-day visa exemption) you will not be able to resolve your problem with a border bounce. The visa on arrival is not extendable, and cannot be used to apply for a "conversion" Non O visa at Immigration on the basis of marriage. Your best solution will probably be to go to Savannakhet Laos for a Non O visa (giving a 90 day permission to stay) followed by one-year extensions in the normal way.

 

A (risky) alternative is to discuss this with Chiang Mai immigration with a view to overstaying until the funds are seasoned, pay the overstay fine, and get the extension then.

 

After a denied extension request, and being given seven days to leave the country, a subsequent application for an extension will be refused out of hand.

 

EDIT (should have mentioned this first): Have you ever received the 60-day extension to visit your Thai spouse? If not, use that now. It does not require financial proof, and will solve your problem.

Edited April 3, 2023 by BritTim

[Tom H]

let an agent do this who has connections and pay what they say

[Foreignheight6foot2]

13 minutes ago, Tom H said:

let an agent do this who has connections and pay what they say

Im not in favour, personally, in furthering corruption and criminality in Thailand, no matter how many people think it a "legal" practice, because it is accepted.

Thanks anyway.

 

[Foreignheight6foot2]

19 minutes ago, BritTim said:

If you are only eligible for a 15-day visa on arrival (not a 30-day visa exemption) you will not be able to resolve your problem with a border bounce. The visa on arrival is not extendable, and cannot be used to apply for a "conversion" Non O visa at Immigration on the basis of marriage. Your best solution will probably be to go to Savannakhet Laos for a Non O visa (giving a 90 day permission to stay) followed by one-year extensions in the normal way.

 

A (risky) alternative is to discuss this with Chiang Mai immigration with a view to overstaying until the funds are seasoned, pay the overstay fine, and get the extension then.

 

After a denied extension request, and being given seven days to leave the country, a subsequent application for an extension will be refused out of hand.

 

EDIT (should have mentioned this first): Have you ever received the 60-day extension to visit your Thai spouse? If not, use that now. It does not require financial proof, and will solve your problem.

Thanks for your detailed answer.

 

Do you know first hand or by policy, that a failed extension means another extension is dead on arrival, or is this conjecture on your part?

 

Ive used up my 60 day in this continued stay.

Someone else mentioned border bounce and this did seem unlikely.

 

I guess a visit to Laos it is.

 

Regards.

[Foreignheight6foot2]

45 minutes ago, proton said:

Chinese woman round the corner had similar problem, but not quite the 400k, she just stuck 1k note in the passport handing it over, nothing was said and she got the extension. Or go the agent route.

I have a face and demeanour that would mean it might cost me considerably more than 1000, but thanks for the insight.

[DrJack54]

1 hour ago, Foreignheight6foot2 said:

Hi.

I have only 52 days for my 400k when i need to get my new extension from Chiangmai immigration

Assume you mean that your current permit expires in 52 days.

Immigration requires 2 months of seasoning 

Your application would be rejected.

 

Obtain a 60 day extension to visit wife.

That provides required time.

 

Edit: just noticed OP has used his 60 day extension.

Border bounce does not help as you would then need to do a new non O marriage 

Edited April 3, 2023 by DrJack54

[Foreignheight6foot2]

15 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Assume you mean that your current permit expires in 52 days.

Immigration requires 2 months of seasoning 

Your application would be rejected.

 

Obtain a 60 day extension to visit wife.

That provides required time.

 

Edit: just noticed OP has used his 60 day extension.

Border bounce does not help as you would then need to do a new non O marriage 

Not quite, i have my visa end on the 7th april on that day i will have only 53 days of 400k in the bank, i was ill with covid as i was about to transfer and that caused the issue.

 

Is there any possibility of swapping to a visa for support of children?

Kind regards

[transam]

1 hour ago, proton said:

Chinese woman round the corner had similar problem, but not quite the 400k, she just stuck 1k note in the passport handing it over, nothing was said and she got the extension. Or go the agent route.

And get nicked for bribery...................

[steve187]

i think a fresh non immigrant from Laos would be the best way to go, as regarding agents my thought on them and the corruption are the same as the op

[DrJack54]

12 minutes ago, Foreignheight6foot2 said:

Is there any possibility of swapping to a visa for support of children?

That may depend on immigration office. 

 

Personally I would attend immigration and outline your issue with the funds. 

They may be able to provide alternative. 

 

Extension based on support of family would take care of seasoning issue.

 

Here is thread with some comments on extension based on support of family.

 

 

Edited April 3, 2023 by DrJack54

[proton]

18 minutes ago, Foreignheight6foot2 said:

Not quite, i have my visa end on the 7th april on that day i will have only 53 days of 400k in the bank, i was ill with covid as i was about to transfer and that caused the issue.

 

Is there any possibility of swapping to a visa for support of children?

Kind regards

still need 400k in the bank for the right time

[DrJack54]

20 minutes ago, proton said:

still need 400k in the bank for the right time

Money in bank 400k for 2 months is not required for based on support of family. 

[Sheryl]

OP please clarify:

 

1. Your nationality (only a few nationalities get visa in arrival. More get visa exempt entry. Very different things). 

 

2. When did you originally enter Thailand and on what type of visa?

 

3. How many extensions have you done since then? And on what grounds, marriage or retirement? From your reference to "new extension" it sounds like you have been here on annual extensions of stay  and from the reference to 400k sounds like these were on grounds of marriage to a Thai, is that correct? In which case what expires 7 April is not a visa but an extension of stay? Please verify, it   makes a difference.

 

Also please clarify what you mean when you say you have used up your 60 day extendion. Is your current perrmission to stay, ending 7 April, the result if a prior 60 day extension? 

 

 

[Foreignheight6foot2]

1 hour ago, proton said:

still need 400k in the bank for the right time

I thought you needed 400k, but had seen others discuss not needing a 60 day timeframe. Again it was hearsay.

[Foreignheight6foot2]

29 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

OP please clarify:

 

1. Your nationality (only a few nationalities get visa in arrival. More get visa exempt entry. Very different things). 

 

2. When did you originally enter Thailand and on what type of visa?

 

3. How many extensions have you done since then? And on what grounds, marriage or retirement? From your reference to "new extension" it sounds like you have been here on annual extensions of stay  and from the reference to 400k sounds like these were on grounds of marriage to a Thai, is that correct? In which case what expires 7 April is not a visa but an extension of stay? Please verify, it   makes a difference.

 

Also please clarify what you mean when you say you have used up your 60 day extendion. Is your current perrmission to stay, ending 7 April, the result if a prior 60 day extension? 

 

 

Im british.

I originally entered Thailand in 2007, but if you mean the last time I entered thailand, it was at mae sai border in 2020 as I was on a non O multi. I then used covid extensions. After which, I used up my 60 day extension. Since then I have been on extensions and have not left Thailand.

All of this has been done under marriage, albeit I have 2 children. But they are home schooled, because of the general abuse by teachers and lack of quality education in Thailand.

 

Regards

 

 

[DrJack54]

2 hours ago, Foreignheight6foot2 said:

Ive used up my 60 day in this continued stay.

Someone else mentioned border bounce and this did seem unlikely.

Border bounce with a reentry permit would enable you to obtain a 60 day extension to visit wife as you are allowed one per entry to Thailand.

Very messy.

 

Chat with immigration. 

They may accommodate you. 

Edited April 3, 2023 by DrJack54

[Sheryl]

3 minutes ago, Foreignheight6foot2 said:

Im british.

I originally entered Thailand in 2007, but if you mean the last time I entered thailand, it was at mae sai border in 2020 as I was on a non O multi. I then used covid extensions. After which, I used up my 60 day extension. Since then I have been on extensions and have not left Thailand.

All of this has been done under marriage, albeit I have 2 children. But they are home schooled, because of the general abuse by teachers and lack of quality education in Thailand.

 

Regards

 

 

Ok. So visa on arrival is not applcable. You would (if successful) on border bounce get a visa exempt entry.

 

Since COVID extensions stopped some time ago I assume when you say extensions since then, that at least the last of these was a one year extension? And that this is what ends April 7?

 

As suggested above discuss with immigration and see if can change to extendion on basis of children. Worst case is you have to leave and come in either visa exempt or on new visa and restart the process.

 

With your stay history might get some flak (extendive questionning) coming in visa exempt since  obvious you live here and are not tourist. Might be better to get a new non-O visa in Laos then extend for 1 year based on that. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Foreignheight6foot2]

 

18 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Ok. So visa on arrival is not applcable. You would (if successful) on border bounce get a visa exempt entry.

 

Since COVID extensions stopped some time ago I assume when you say extensions since then, that at least the last of these was a one year extension? And that this is what ends April 7?

 

As suggested above discuss with immigration and see if can change to extendion on basis of children. Worst case is you have to leave and come in either visa exempt or on new visa and restart the process.

 

With your stay history might get some flak (extendive questionning) coming in visa exempt since  obvious you live here and are not tourist. Might be better to get a new non-O visa in Laos then extend for 1 year based on that. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you, its greatly appreciated.

 

Yes, ive done many covid 60 day, 1 marriage 60 day and 2x 1 year extensions. With this current extension ending on the 7th.

 

Im not worried specifically about the perceptions of immigration or the flak recieved, but it is noted.

 

I think Laos might be the best option.

 

Regards

 

[Foreignheight6foot2]

36 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Border bounce with a reentry permit would enable you to obtain a 60 day extension to visit wife as you are allowed one per entry to Thailand.

Very messy.

 

Chat with immigration. 

They may accommodate you. 

In this scenario, (please correct me if im wrong, if I understand you), I;

1)goto immigration apply for reentry permit. (Can do tomo 4th)

2)Leave to border (same day)

3)Enter back in. (Same day 4th)

4)Go to immigration apply for 60 day extension. 5th, 6th (7th last day of extension)

 

Are you suggesting immigration might not like it, thats why its messy, and so best to confirm if this is acceptable?

 

Regards.

 

[BritTim]

49 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Border bounce with a reentry permit would enable you to obtain a 60 day extension to visit wife as you are allowed one per entry to Thailand.

This is not correct. You are considered to be on the same unbroken permission to stay, with the single permitted 60-day extension to visit your wife already used, when you enter with a re-entry permit. It is only a fresh entry for a new permission to stay that qualifies you for the 60-day extension.

[Sheryl]

17 minutes ago, Foreignheight6foot2 said:

 

Thank you, its greatly appreciated.

 

Yes, ive done many covid 60 day, 1 marriage 60 day and 2x 1 year extensions. With this current extension ending on the 7th.

 

Im not worried specifically about the perceptions of immigration or the flak recieved, but it is noted.

 

I think Laos might be the best option.

 

Regards

 

Laos is what I would do. Removes all uncertainty.

 

The "flak" on visa exempt entry sometimes extends to refusal. Not usually, but it can. And questioning can go on for hours. Personally I would not want to go through that or risk it.

 

In Vientiane  believe may need an appointment, check prior threads on applying for non-O based on marriage in Laos. And make sure to have all required documents with you.

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, Foreignheight6foot2 said:

I thought you needed 400k, but had seen others discuss not needing a 60 day timeframe. Again it was hearsay.

When apply for a 1-year extension based on a Non Imm O Visa for reason of dependant children you ONLY need the 400K on your personal Thai Bank-Account at the moment of application. So doing such application would solve the issue for you.

[Drumbuie]

13 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Laos is what I would do. Removes all uncertainty.

 

The "flak" on visa exempt entry sometimes extends to refusal. Not usually, but it can. And questioning can go on for hours. Personally I would not want to go through that or risk it.

 

In Vientiane  believe may need an appointment, check prior threads on applying for non-O based on marriage in Laos. And make sure to have all required documents with you.

I discovered, the hard way, that you definitely need to make an appointment in Vientiane.
So I went to Hanoi in February - no queues, was seen right away ( and the ladies in the visa department were courteous, friendly and helpful). I collected the visa three days later.

 

[OJAS]

47 minutes ago, Foreignheight6foot2 said:

I think Laos might be the best option.

And specifically Savannakhet for a new multi-entry non-O visa, I think - recent report below:-

 

 

[MrJ2U]

6 hours ago, Foreignheight6foot2 said:

Im not in favour, personally, in furthering corruption and criminality in Thailand

Perhaps stop playing the morality ticket and get your visa done.   Corruption is so ingrained here that your trying to make things done the right way will only cause you grief. 

 

After that donate to some worthy cause if it makes you feel better. 

[Red Phoenix]

4 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

When apply for a 1-year extension based on a Non Imm O Visa for reason of dependant children you ONLY need the 400K on your personal Thai Bank-Account at the moment of application. So doing such application would solve the issue for you.

Clarification for 'confused' Somebody.

OP wrote that even if he waits till last day of his current Permission to stay, he will only have his 400K seasoned for 52 days when applying for his 1-year extension of stay. 

And when he applies for reason of marriage to a Thai national 60 days of seasoning are required of those funds at the day of application, which means such application for reason of marriage will not be accepted as he does not meet the requirements. . 

However OP also wrote that he has two dependant children (I presume they have Thai nationality), which makes him eligible to apply for a 1-year extension for reason of dependant children.  When doing so, the +400K only needs to be available on his personal Thai bank-account at the moment of application with no seasoning required.

So doing that will solve the whole issue.

Edited April 3, 2023 by Red Phoenix

[DrJack54]

10 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

When doing so, the +400K only needs to be available on his personal Thai bank-account at the moment of application with no seasoning required

That is correct.

However as usual some stupid offices will still insist on the two months.

Think that was mentioned in thread link I posted earlier.

Thinking CM would be fine.

The OP really needs to chat with his immigration office.

Sometimes "alternatives" are provided/suggested. 

Edited April 3, 2023 by DrJack54

[Foreignheight6foot2]

52 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

Perhaps stop playing the morality ticket and get your visa done.   Corruption is so ingrained here that your trying to make things done the right way will only cause you grief. 

 

After that donate to some worthy cause if it makes you feel better. 

Sorry, Im in my 30s, so please forgive me if I dont understand what a... morality ticket is.. or indeed, where I would purchase such an antiquated sounding item.

Corruption is ingrained in societies, (its the one point you got right). Its riddled Thailand like a disease, because people like you, tell yourselves, you are more important than everyone else, at the expense of everyone else.

 

I fortunately take responsibility for my life, even in error, and dont look to pass it off, into the realm of criminality for an "easier life."

Maybe its because theres so much of it left to live, Im not so desperate to sell my wife or my children down the sewage canals, created by those like you.

Perhaps if people didnt denigrate themselves, like you clearly do, institutions like immigration, wouldnt be the cestpit of detritus that it is.

 

Of course if you could read, as all others managed, you would notice that my prose state very dinstinctly, that for me, personally, its not something i want to promulgate. So I choose not to, and, answered as much, as a reply to another's comment, rather than some political activity you seemed to have framed it as.

I made no further judgement on others, but as you pushed me, I feel it now an imperative to disabuse you of your morally bankrupt piety.