"Biden is trying to jail his leading political opponent"

[scottiejohn]

5 hours ago, 2baht said:

Surely in a country with a population in excess of 300 million people there would be at least a few candidates under 70???

And someone better than Trump!

[billd766]

8 hours ago, stevenl said:

Time to get your facts straight.

The facts are straight, but in his mind only.

[scottiejohn]

22 minutes ago, billd766 said:

The facts are straight, but in his mind only.

What mind?

[ozimoron]

9 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

 

 

"Trump said that 'the ridiculous and baseless indictment… will go down as one the worst abuses of power on record.'

'This vicious persecution is a travesty of justice,' Trump insisted. 'You're watching Joe Biden [try] to jail his leading political opponent – an opponent that is beating him by a lot in the polls – just like they do in Stalin-ist Russia, or communist China. No different.'

'Our country has gone very bad. Just think of it – in three years.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12181341/Trump-attends-rally-Georgia-indicted.html

 

Seems I am an odd one out. I am about the only forum user here that just cannot comprehend how an ex President having some classified documents in safe storage while negotiating their return is the worst crime ever, while the senator and career politician that is persecuting his political opponent with a weaponized DOJ can have classified docs strewn around several unsecure locations including a house rented by his chummy with multiple foreign adversaries drug addict son and it is the GOLD STANDARD of good storage and certainly not a crime. I just don't buy it, sorry.

 

How can a President not have the power to see classified docs? How can a senator have more legal ability than a President to have classified documents at home? Why was Trump's classified document scandal dealt with by dozens of hysterical threads yet when it was known biden did the same an urgent message appeared stating it's absolutely normal for govt people to have classified docs at home no big deal? Is a vindictive 3rd world justice system used to attack political opponents really in the left's best interest after the euphoria wears off?

 

 Seeing America hurtle toward civil war thanks to a broken justice system is heartbreaking but not in the least surprising. 

What about the theft of national secrets and showing them to people without a security clearance? Does that matter?

[Hanaguma]

Just curious, is there any evidence that the well publicised photos of boxes of documents in the crapper and on the stage, or spilling onto the floor- any of those the "top secret" documents in the indictment? Or are they just photos of boxes that were stored haphazardly. 

 

No doubt Trump is a braggart and wanted to look like a big man by showing off to his friends.  Not sure if he will see jail time over it.  Problem is, that it would set a rather disturbing precedent for other Presidents and former presidents. 

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3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Just curious, is there any evidence that the well publicised photos of boxes of documents in the crapper and on the stage, or spilling onto the floor- any of those the "top secret" documents in the indictment? Or are they just photos of boxes that were stored haphazardly. 

 

No doubt Trump is a braggart and wanted to look like a big man by showing off to his friends.  Not sure if he will see jail time over it.  Problem is, that it would set a rather disturbing precedent for other Presidents and former presidents. 

"Nauta texted another Trump staffer a picture of documents containing classified information that were spewed all over a bathroom floor.

'I opened the door and found this,' he wrote, according to the indictment - and included two photographs of the spilled documents, at least one of which contained classified documents.

The indictment states that the specific documents were related to intelligence between the 'Five Eyes' countries."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12179535/Trump-accuses-FBI-STAGING-classified-documents-Mar-Lago.html

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6 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Just curious, is there any evidence that the well publicised photos of boxes of documents in the crapper and on the stage, or spilling onto the floor- any of those the "top secret" documents in the indictment? Or are they just photos of boxes that were stored haphazardly. 

 

No doubt Trump is a braggart and wanted to look like a big man by showing off to his friends.  Not sure if he will see jail time over it.  Problem is, that it would set a rather disturbing precedent for other Presidents and former presidents. 

"Mar-a-Lago Club was not an authorized location for the storage possession, review, display, or discussion of classified documents," the indictment reads. "Nevertheless, Trump stored his boxes containing classified documents in various locations at the Mar-a-Lago Club — including in a ballroom, a bathroom and shower, and office space, his bedroom, and a storage room." 

Trump stored classified documents in a shower at Mar-a-Lago, unsealed indictment shows (businessinsider.nl)

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7 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Just curious, is there any evidence that the well publicised photos of boxes of documents in the crapper and on the stage, or spilling onto the floor- any of those the "top secret" documents in the indictment? Or are they just photos of boxes that were stored haphazardly. 

 

No doubt Trump is a braggart and wanted to look like a big man by showing off to his friends.  Not sure if he will see jail time over it.  Problem is, that it would set a rather disturbing precedent for other Presidents and former presidents. 

Future deeply disturbed and deranged Presidents will have much to fear from this precedent.

[scorecard]

4 hours ago, candide said:

It's just a kind attention. Some people like to read when in toilets! ????

But appropriate offices and meeting rooms are much more suitable. 

[Hanaguma]

55 minutes ago, placeholder said:

"Mar-a-Lago Club was not an authorized location for the storage possession, review, display, or discussion of classified documents," the indictment reads. "Nevertheless, Trump stored his boxes containing classified documents in various locations at the Mar-a-Lago Club — including in a ballroom, a bathroom and shower, and office space, his bedroom, and a storage room." 

Trump stored classified documents in a shower at Mar-a-Lago, unsealed indictment shows (businessinsider.nl)

Thanks, I wasn't sure.  If they were classified, not a big deal. Stupid but not serious  Top secret, we have a problem.  I wonder at the policital end game though.  For the GOP, getting Trump out of the race is the best thing that could happen.  

[Tug]

11 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Thanks, I wasn't sure.  If they were classified, not a big deal. Stupid but not serious  Top secret, we have a problem.  I wonder at the policital end game though.  For the GOP, getting Trump out of the race is the best thing that could happen.  

Really?exposing any of these documents to the possibility of being compromised is a crime doing so by the x chief executive is beyond the pale there is no excuse none nada zip do not pass go period any attempts at minimizing the severity of this outrage is a betrayal of my country this is a very serious matter not some flippant fo,pa by the orange trustfund baby man 

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27 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Thanks, I wasn't sure.  If they were classified, not a big deal. Stupid but not serious  Top secret, we have a problem.  I wonder at the policital end game though.  For the GOP, getting Trump out of the race is the best thing that could happen.  

Which is an argument against this prosecution being politically inspired.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Thanks, I wasn't sure.  If they were classified, not a big deal. Stupid but not serious  Top secret, we have a problem.  I wonder at the policital end game though.  For the GOP, getting Trump out of the race is the best thing that could happen.  

Well, Trump would have disagreed with you in 2018, as he changed the law to make mishandling of classified information a felony! ????

https://www.businessinsider.com/law-trump-signed-2018-may-punish-him-classified-info-2022-8?r=US&IR=T

 

It confirms how dumb he is! He changed the law, upgraded the penalty, bragged about it as usual.... And the first thing he did after leaving office was to infringe the same law he signed! Dumber than dumb!

Edited June 11, 2023 by candide

[eisfeld]

13 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Seems I am an odd one out. I am about the only forum user here that just cannot comprehend how an ex President having some classified documents in safe storage while negotiating their return is the worst crime ever

That one's easy to explain. It's because you make up some fantasy that doesn't reflect reality. Doesn't matter how much evidence is presented, you either outright reject it all or try to spin it into something it's not. That's why you are the odd one out.

 

12 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Comparitively yes of course. MAL is heavily guarded you cant just walk in there. Key word is comparitively 

Compared to what? A McDonalds restaurant? There are standards for something to be designated secure location and his club is not even close to meeting those. It's a complete joke - kindergarten level excuses.

[heybruce]

On 6/10/2023 at 7:18 PM, SunnyinBangrak said:

 

 

"Trump said that 'the ridiculous and baseless indictment… will go down as one the worst abuses of power on record.'

'This vicious persecution is a travesty of justice,' Trump insisted. 'You're watching Joe Biden [try] to jail his leading political opponent – an opponent that is beating him by a lot in the polls – just like they do in Stalin-ist Russia, or communist China. No different.'

'Our country has gone very bad. Just think of it – in three years.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12181341/Trump-attends-rally-Georgia-indicted.html

 

Seems I am an odd one out. I am about the only forum user here that just cannot comprehend how an ex President having some classified documents in safe storage while negotiating their return is the worst crime ever, while the senator and career politician that is persecuting his political opponent with a weaponized DOJ can have classified docs strewn around several unsecure locations including a house rented by his chummy with multiple foreign adversaries drug addict son and it is the GOLD STANDARD of good storage and certainly not a crime. I just don't buy it, sorry.

 

How can a President not have the power to see classified docs? How can a senator have more legal ability than a President to have classified documents at home? Why was Trump's classified document scandal dealt with by dozens of hysterical threads yet when it was known biden did the same an urgent message appeared stating it's absolutely normal for govt people to have classified docs at home no big deal? Is a vindictive 3rd world justice system used to attack political opponents really in the left's best interest after the euphoria wears off?

 

 Seeing America hurtle toward civil war thanks to a broken justice system is heartbreaking but not in the least surprising. 

"How can a President not have the power to see classified docs? How can a senator have more legal ability than a President to have classified documents at home? Why was Trump's classified document scandal dealt with by dozens of hysterical threads yet when it was known biden did the same an urgent message appeared stating it's absolutely normal for govt people to have classified docs at home no big deal? Is a vindictive 3rd world justice system used to attack political opponents really in the left's best interest after the euphoria wears off? "

 

How can you not know the answers to these questions after they have been answered over and over again?

Edited June 12, 2023 by heybruce

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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Of course, lost in the familiarly misleading partisan headline of this and similar threads posted here lately is the fact that Biden has been intentionally, deliberately uninvolved in the criminal investigation of Trump, and it's been/being handled by an independent special counsel.

 

https://www.c-span.org/video/?528657-1/special-counsel-jack-smith-delivers-statement-indictment-president-trump#

 

"“We have one set of laws in this country, and they apply to everyone,” said Justice Department Special Counsel Jack Smith, who delivered a brief statement to the press on the indictment of former President Trump. Mr. Smith also urged the “defendants must be presumed innocent until proven guilty…in a court of law.” President Donald Trump was indicted on 37-counts, with 31 counts related to violations of the Espionage Act."

 

 

"An ongoing special counsel investigation was opened by U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland on November 18, 2022, to continue two investigations that had been initiated by the Justice Department (DOJ) regarding the former U.S. president Donald Trump. Garland appointed Jack Smith, a longtime federal prosecutor, to lead the independent investigations. Smith was tasked with investigating Trump's role in the January 6 United States Capitol attack, and Trump's mishandling of government records, including classified documents."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_special_counsel_investigation

 

Independent counsel Smith doesn't work for Biden and doesn't report to Biden. That's what it means when they say independent special counsel.

 

 

Edited June 12, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[riclag]

On 6/10/2023 at 4:18 PM, SunnyinBangrak said:

 

 

"Trump said that 'the ridiculous and baseless indictment… will go down as one the worst abuses of power on record.'

'This vicious persecution is a travesty of justice,' Trump insisted. 'You're watching Joe Biden [try] to jail his leading political opponent – an opponent that is beating him by a lot in the polls – just like they do in Stalin-ist Russia, or communist China. No different.'

'Our country has gone very bad. Just think of it – in three years.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12181341/Trump-attends-rally-Georgia-indicted.html

 

Seems I am an odd one out. I am about the only forum user here that just cannot comprehend how an ex President having some classified documents in safe storage while negotiating their return is the worst crime ever, while the senator and career politician that is persecuting his political opponent with a weaponized DOJ can have classified docs strewn around several unsecure locations including a house rented by his chummy with multiple foreign adversaries drug addict son and it is the GOLD STANDARD of good storage and certainly not a crime. I just don't buy it, sorry.

 

How can a President not have the power to see classified docs? How can a senator have more legal ability than a President to have classified documents at home? Why was Trump's classified document scandal dealt with by dozens of hysterical threads yet when it was known biden did the same an urgent message appeared stating it's absolutely normal for govt people to have classified docs at home no big deal? Is a vindictive 3rd world justice system used to attack political opponents really in the left's best interest after the euphoria wears off?

 

 Seeing America hurtle toward civil war thanks to a broken justice system is heartbreaking but not in the least surprising. 

Political persecution by biden doj/fbi and his numbers continued  to rise!!!!!!! 

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/cbs-news-poll-most-see-security-risk-after-trump-indictment/

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

Political persecution by biden doj/fbi and his numbers continued  to rise!!!!!!! 

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/cbs-news-poll-most-see-security-risk-after-trump-indictment/

Not if you take the average from all polls, in fact its the opposite.

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

[Berkshire]

On 6/11/2023 at 7:43 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:

The civil war is because the justice system is irredeemably destroyed by the double standards necessary to persecute Trump while sheilding his rivals.

If Trump would have just returned all of the documents to the US GOV when requested, we wouldn't be here.  It's as simple as that. 

Edited June 12, 2023 by Berkshire

[ThailandRyan]

Trump sure has a weird take on what a Plea deal means.  In his view he says this:

 

 He also stressed that he would not accept a plea deal unless he was presented one "where they pay me some damages."

 

Trump Suggests He's Open to Taking Plea Deal With a Specific Condition (msn.com)

 

The former president added that he does foresee having to pardon himself should he win reelection in 2024, a theory that has been floated by many pundits. His reasoning, however, came down to the fact that he does not believe the charges against him will stick.

"I don't think I'll ever have to," Trump said. "I didn't do anything wrong."

Edited June 12, 2023 by ThailandRyan

[billd766]

11 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

If Trump would have just returned all of the documents to the US GOV when requested, we wouldn't be here.  It's as simple as that. 

It would have been even simpler, if he had not taken them in the first place.

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1 hour ago, riclag said:

Political persecution by biden doj/fbi and his numbers continued  to rise!!!!!!! 

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/cbs-news-poll-most-see-security-risk-after-trump-indictment/

Do you understand that the people CBS polled were republcians? And nowhere in the article did it say that Trump's numbers continue to rise.

[Berkshire]

43 minutes ago, billd766 said:

It would have been even simpler, if he had not taken them in the first place.

If we were to concede that Biden and Pence also unintentionally retained documents but promptly returned them when asked, then we can see that Trump could have avoided this mess by just cooperating with the feds.

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Political persecution by biden doj/fbi and his numbers continued  to rise!!!!!!! 

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/cbs-news-poll-most-see-security-risk-after-trump-indictment/

It's curious that the right still see this as a political indictment. It's criminal and that will become very obvious the further we go along.

[eisfeld]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Political persecution by biden doj/fbi and his numbers continued  to rise!!!!!!! 

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/cbs-news-poll-most-see-security-risk-after-trump-indictment/

1. How do you explain that Trump was indicted by a Grand Jury who is not part of the government? A random selection of Florida residents, his homebase. It wasn't Biden, the DOJ or FBI.

 

2. The article nowhere mentions that his numbers are rising. It just concludes that he is still the frontrunner amongst republican candidates.

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[earlinclaifornia]

21 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Thanks, I wasn't sure.  If they were classified, not a big deal. Stupid but not serious  Top secret, we have a problem.  I wonder at the policital end game though.  For the GOP, getting Trump out of the race is the best thing that could happen.  

His party fully supports him and the two polls shows his lead has increased. Many in the GOP had claimed he has the nomination sewn up now after these indictments. File the likelihood he is "out" under "not likely to happen"

[scottiejohn]

3 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

His party fully supports him and the two polls shows his lead has increased. Many in the GOP had claimed he has the nomination sewn up now after these indictments. File the likelihood he is "out" under "not likely to happen"

I agree but i would like to see a much younger man at the helm!

[candide]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

Political persecution by biden doj/fbi and his numbers continued  to rise!!!!!!! 

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/cbs-news-poll-most-see-security-risk-after-trump-indictment/

Also no significant change on this other aggregator's website so far.

https://www.racetothewh.com/president/polls