Trump liable for fraud, judge finds in New York civil case

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1 hour ago, gwapofarang said:

And the distractions and puppet show continues. While the real issues are ignored and conveniently not reported. The Hegelian dialect works wonders and never fails. The media never lies, politicians always tell the truth. The left or the right have moral standing, look what they have done in the past, fill in the blank, make your argument send links to "facts".

 

Deception on both sides is abound. We are all being fooled and feed lies for a reason. One only needs to look at historical facts and the reality of today's world. Truth has always been elusive but easy to find for those willing to take the time. Find out for yourself instead of listening to scripted narratives.

 

Here's an idea, read a book they aren't banned YET. Seems questioning everything and proper research is dead. No doubt I'll be demonized and or ostracized for thinking such individual "radical" thoughts. Not asking anyone to believe me, in fact, the exact opposite. Good day all.

Don't give yourself too much credit. All you have offered here are generalizations - nothing specific. Unless you care to be specific about what you're hinting at, why should anyone care about what you have posted here.

[JCauto]

43 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

There are a number of "creeps" who have made it into the Whitehouse...current one not excepted!  Who would vote for them?

When the biggest creep is the alternative, one votes for a lesser creep? One would think having a non-creep might be a better choice if offered, but few if any of those can run the political gauntlet and emerge on the other side unscathed regardless of their origin or political belief. It appears that having principles is no longer a beneficial position for politicians.

[JCauto]

31 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

If I was Trump, I'd liquidate whatever I have, or could, move to RU, and let all my businesses fold up.   Keep them tied up in litigation long enough that they'd fall in disrepair and not worth it for anyone to buy, even on the cheap.

 

Leave a bunch of eyesores, and sadly, too many people out of work.

 

FO America

 

FREE SPEECH IS NOT FREE

I see another patriot has chimed in showing his deep love for America and freedom by advocating for moving to a totalitarian state run by Putin. How red, white and blue of you!

[Tropposurfer]

1 hour ago, gwapofarang said:

And the distractions and puppet show continues. While the real issues are ignored and conveniently not reported. The Hegelian dialect works wonders and never fails. The media never lies, politicians always tell the truth. The left or the right have moral standing, look what they have done in the past, fill in the blank, make your argument send links to "facts".

 

Deception on both sides is abound. We are all being fooled and feed lies for a reason. One only needs to look at historical facts and the reality of today's world. Truth has always been elusive but easy to find for those willing to take the time. Find out for yourself instead of listening to scripted narratives.

 

Here's an idea, read a book they aren't banned YET. Seems questioning everything and proper research is dead. No doubt I'll be demonized and or ostracized for thinking such individual "radical" thoughts. Not asking anyone to believe me, in fact, the exact opposite. Good day all.

Yep there is, sadly, a great lacking in informed and critical thinking et large. And this could not be more obviously demonstrated in the largest faux democracy on earth.

I agree with you in your description of global 'capitalism'. We are all bred as slaves to that machine (unless you happen to be extremely rich).

[TigerandDog]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

Well well well another democrat state doing what ONLY the democrat states are doing. What a totally stupid thing to do - Trump will now simply take all of his business and wealth (reported at 2.5 billion) to Florida - people will lose jobs and now be fighting to get a job with the 100,000 odd newly arrived migrants. The $250 million is about 50 days of putting up the NY migrants. Trump will be well rid of the hellhole that is now NY. Just another nail in the coffin of that democrat state. Trump employs (2015) 22,500 people ish - those in NY can now wave goodbye to their old life.

He's not gonna be able to do any of what you say. He's now legally BROKE. Everything he owns in NY has been shut down, all business licenses cancelled. All his assets are frozen, in  particular the Trump Trust, which is where 99% of his so called wealth was kept. He can't sell anything, he can't move money around without the approval of the retired judge appointed to monitor every financial transaction. The banks have even taken possession of his home. I just don't see how so many Americans can be so gullible and still support this deluded conman and continue to claim it's democrats after Chump. It's not he's criminal and karma is catching up with him. Even his former employees are seeing the truth of it all and turning on him. Any American that still supports the worst president your country has ever had, and is so gullible to believe the BS that comes out of his mouth is just as delusional as he is and living in a fantasy world.

[TigerandDog]

26 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

If it ties them up in litigation, and the sit empty, then not they might not become marketable.  Though surely plenty of corrupt politicians with RE connections, where they'll make a mint, if state takes control.

 

Or better ... cancel all the leases, and ask Bush & Cheney for some help in the matter.

 

Hear it worked out great for Silverstein, a couple decades ago ... ????

Trump won't be able to tie it up in litigation. have you not listened to any of the NY legal eagles discussing the judges ruling and how it's going to be applied. The Trump empire is OVER. ALL the funds raised from liquidating his business will go directly to the state of NY. Chump and his sons/family will not see a red cent.

[WhatMeWorry]

3 hours ago, transam said:

I will say for the umpteenth time, McTrump is a huge embarrassment for the U.S.A........????

And we are supposed to be impressed with your opinion? Why is it necessary for you to post your opinion for the "umpteenth time?" Maybe no one is listening.

[spidermike007]

Now, this is the heart of getting this lifetime crime lord locked up. In my opinion, they are pursuing the wrong line of attack. Nailing him for the Stormy thing seems lightweight. Even the election stuff, and the insurrection, is questionable. I think it is evidence that they are not sincere about putting this crime lord away. If they were, they would go after him for bank fraud or tax fraud. No doubt he is guilty of many counts. And no doubt those charges would not only stick, they would likely result in this sad mans spending many of his remaining years in prison. 

But, I don't think there is political will to lock up an ex president. But, I sure hope I am wrong. Lock him up. He surely deserves to spend the rest of his pathetic life in prison.

[KhunLA]

3 minutes ago, TigerandDog said:

Trump won't be able to tie it up in litigation. have you not listened to any of the NY legal eagles discussing the judges ruling and how it's going to be applied. The Trump empire is OVER. ALL the funds raised from liquidating his business will go directly to the state of NY. Chump and his sons/family will not see a red cent.

No, not really, just saw in a news-blip early this morning, they ruled against him.  Didn't even bother reading that news-blip, since it was civil court.

 

I don't really follow Trump's legal issues, or most of any politics, worldwide.  I'm retired, and enjoy not caring. 

 

I live in my little world, with me & mine, and that's all that matters.  SS & pension keeps coming.  Biden doing a crap job, good for me;  COLA (bad for USA)  

 

That's about all the interest I have in the USA.  If they stop coming, well, don't care about that either, as never plan anything dependent on others. 

 

As long as Makro & fresh markets have food, that's all that matters, or I'd have to go fishing  for dinner.  Good thing I can walk to the surf or local lakes.

 

Just another beautiful day in my world.

[HappyExpat57]

2 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Well well well another democrat state doing what ONLY the democrat states are doing. What a totally stupid thing to do - Trump will now simply take all of his business and wealth (reported at 2.5 billion) to Florida - people will lose jobs and now be fighting to get a job with the 100,000 odd newly arrived migrants. The $250 million is about 50 days of putting up the NY migrants. Trump will be well rid of the hellhole that is now NY. Just another nail in the coffin of that democrat state. Trump employs (2015) 22,500 people ish - those in NY can now wave goodbye to their old life.

Honest to gawd, I can't figure if you are just making this up or if you could possibly believe all this garbage. You are suggesting a man be able to commit horrendous crimes because taking him to task would be "bad for business."

 

You DO see the flaw in your thinking, yes?  Yes?

[HappyExpat57]

2 hours ago, poyai111 said:

So where's the victim? One would think that banks would show due diligence in responding to any loan application and their foremost question would relate to the applicant's ability to repay the loan. History shows that such a loan had legs and the lender would have no problem in approving that application 

Well, that's not what the judge thinks about this case, and his judgement carries a WHOLE lot more weight than your vacuous postings.

[KhunLA]

22 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

 If they were, they would go after him for bank fraud or tax fraud. No doubt he is guilty of many counts. And no doubt those charges would not only stick, they would likely result in this sad mans spending many of his remaining years in prison. 

Apparently they can't.  As you say, that would be the way to go, if wanting to get rid of him.  Why I ignored the news, when reading in civil court.

 

Does make you wonder why they didn't ... oh wait, guess that answers itself.

 

They couldn't.

 

Now reading the decision, before hitting 'submit' ???? not even the results of the trial, actually set for later ???? ... so he basically has to liquidate and leave the state (IF HE LOSES IN TRIAL) , and at worst, pay a $250M fine.  Chump change for him.

 

So ... a big nothing.

And this is world news.  What a sad state the world is in.

 

DISTRACTION

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

didn't add to the quote properly

[xylophone]

32 minutes ago, TigerandDog said:

Trump won't be able to tie it up in litigation. have you not listened to any of the NY legal eagles discussing the judges ruling and how it's going to be applied. The Trump empire is OVER. ALL the funds raised from liquidating his business will go directly to the state of NY. Chump and his sons/family will not see a red cent.

Us normal folk can live in hope!!

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Does the (clearly blinkered) all-seeing-eye have a rational justification for claiming that Trump is "a traitor"?

I notice you only question my traitor remark? So you are ok with the parts about Trump being a cult leader, Conman and Rapist? The best the GOP has to offer, look out 2024!!!

[Chomper Higgot]

34 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Now, this is the heart of getting this lifetime crime lord locked up. In my opinion, they are pursuing the wrong line of attack. Nailing him for the Stormy thing seems lightweight. Even the election stuff, and the insurrection, is questionable. I think it is evidence that they are not sincere about putting this crime lord away. If they were, they would go after him for bank fraud or tax fraud. No doubt he is guilty of many counts. And no doubt those charges would not only stick, they would likely result in this sad mans spending many of his remaining years in prison. 

But, I don't think there is political will to lock up an ex president. But, I sure hope I am wrong. Lock him up. He surely deserves to spend the rest of his pathetic life in prison.

Holding a insurrectionist President and his enablers accountable for their crimes is far more important than Trump’s financial crimes.

 

If Trump and his enablers are not held accountable for trying to overthrow an election, ANOther President will eventually try and succeed.

 

There is a direct line between letting Nixon off for his crimes and Trump believing a President is above the law.

 

This needs sorting now,

[bignok]

41 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

No, not really, just saw in a news-blip early this morning, they ruled against him.  Didn't even bother reading that news-blip, since it was civil court.

 

I don't really follow Trump's legal issues, or most of any politics, worldwide.  I'm retired, and enjoy not caring. 

 

I live in my little world, with me & mine, and that's all that matters.  SS & pension keeps coming.  Biden doing a crap job, good for me;  COLA (bad for USA)  

 

That's about all the interest I have in the USA.  If they stop coming, well, don't care about that either, as never plan anything dependent on others. 

 

As long as Makro & fresh markets have food, that's all that matters, or I'd have to go fishing  for dinner.  Good thing I can walk to the surf or local lakes.

 

Just another beautiful day in my world.

I like your spirit. 

[HappyExpat57]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Holding a insurrectionist President and his enablers accountable for their crimes is far more important than Trump’s financial crimes.

 

If Trump and his enablers are not held accountable for trying to overthrow an election, ANOther President will eventually try and succeed.

 

There is a direct line between letting Nixon off for his crimes and Trump believing a President is above the law.

 

This needs sorting now,

It's been very slow in coming, but it's finally unfolding before our very eyes.

 

My personal belief is that Merrick Garland (and if I'm right may he rot in hell!) intentionally slow walked this whole thing in the hopes it would just die on the vine. Then the Jan 6 committee exposed all the crap that 45 and his evil minions did to try and overthrow the government, and now Giuliani, Meadows, etc. are getting squeezed.

 

If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on Meadows flipping. THAT would put that corrupt man-baby in an orange jumpsuit.

[transam]

1 hour ago, WhatMeWorry said:

And we are supposed to be impressed with your opinion? Why is it necessary for you to post your opinion for the "umpteenth time?" Maybe no one is listening.

????........I don't care who is impressed by my posts, or yours either.....????

They won't be listening, they will be reading my opinion........????

[Trippy]

11 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

No, your post was stupid and deserving of the response.

My post was a joke, you guys are way too serious on this forum. 

[BarstoolChang]

Always makes me laugh seeing a bunch of white boomers sitting in Thailand complaining about trump

[wwest5829]

2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Does the (clearly blinkered) all-seeing-eye have a rational justification for claiming that Trump is "a traitor"?

I certainly allow that the 91 indictments should play out, I trust the citizen Grand Juries and the citizen Trial Juries to hear the evidence and make their determinations in my name as an American citizen. OK, to allow that all of them and the Prosecutors, Defense Lawyers, Judges are all corrupted as being prejudiced against The Donald? 

[HappyExpat57]

8 minutes ago, Trippy said:

My post was a joke, you guys are way too serious on this forum. 

Yeah, it's ALL of US who are wrong. Gimme a break.

[Chomper Higgot]

32 minutes ago, Trippy said:

That's stupid

I didn’t want to put it as bluntly as that.

 

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Apparently they can't.  As you say, that would be the way to go, if wanting to get rid of him.  Why I ignored the news, when reading in civil court.

 

Does make you wonder why they didn't ... oh wait, guess that answers itself.

 

They couldn't.

 

Now reading the decision, before hitting 'submit' ???? not even the results of the trial, actually set for later ???? ... so he basically has to liquidate and leave the state (IF HE LOSES IN TRIAL) , and at worst, pay a $250M fine.  Chump change for him.

 

So ... a big nothing.

And this is world news.  What a sad state the world is in.

 

DISTRACTION

Your rambling again. They can and they will. They will use the evidence collected by this case against Trump.

[Srikcir]

4 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Trump will now simply take all of his business and wealth (reported at 2.5 billion) to Florida

What business and wealth?

Trump no longer controls any assets in New York.

His corporate charters have been revoked immediately.

A receiver will be appointed to dissolve the company, take over the assets and distribute them as the court sees fit. The receiver would continue to collect rents, pay taxes, pay the bills and company salaries until the assets are sold off with Trump receiving what's left after debts and liabilities. It's expected the State will ask far higher than the original $250 million, upwards to $2 billion. The jury, the judge in this case, will decide.

[gwapofarang]

43 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Don't give yourself too much credit. All you have offered here are generalizations - nothing specific. Unless you care to be specific about what you're hinting at, why should anyone care about what you have posted here.

My post was meant to provoke thought and hopefully honest debate thinking outside the box. History illustrates "questioning everything" or better put "individual thought" is paramount progressing from hunter gatherers to launching rockets to the moon and beyond.

 

Do you honestly think those in power care about the everyday man? Should everyone blindly believe everything at face value without using proper discernment? Shouldn't healthy pessimism and scrutiny be at the forefront of narrative. Has government proven itself to be truthful throughout history? Has mainstream media or local media?

 

How many people commenting on this thread have actually read the surrounding evidence from both sides then made a comment based on their findings? I sure as hell haven't knowing it's politically motivated. Taking that a step further, the last decade, or two? If the answer to that is minimal or none, would you call yourself well informed?

 

The best works of man have been achieved using the above line of thinking and more. Should now be any different? I'm not better than next man, far worse in many ways it's called the human condition. I hope this sheds light on my generalization.

 

For the Trump haters, stating the above in reference to questioning anything Trump and I'm branded a leftist, Trump hating demon, controlled opposition, CIA shill, Nazi and on and on. Then banned and silenced in any way possible. They are deceived and will do anything that man says believe anything he says and overlook reality. That in a word, is DANGEROUS.

 

Same thing for left leaning mainstream platforms except it's a reverberating effect across platforms, even more dangerous from a personal standpoint. Is the contents written in this post harmful, hateful or threatening? I would hope not.

I wish no man ill fates of any kind I stand for freedom of thought, not Orwellian dystopia and madness. God day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Holding a insurrectionist President and his enablers accountable for their crimes is far more important than Trump’s financial crimes.

 

If Trump and his enablers are not held accountable for trying to overthrow an election, ANOther President will eventually try and succeed.

 

There is a direct line between letting Nixon off for his crimes and Trump believing a President is above the law.

 

This needs sorting now,

While I agree totally, I am simply questioning if this line of judicial attack will end up having the ultimate and  desired result. They got Capone on tax evasion, why not the Don? 

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

Yep, I've always found it impossible to believe that a "billionaire" has to pay only 750 bucks of income tax! 

That just makes him a good businessman ????

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

While I agree totally, I am simply questioning if this line of judicial attack will end up having the ultimate and  desired result. They got Capone on tax evasion, why not the Don? 

I don’t think it’s an either or.

 

I believe Donald Trump will spend the rest of his life fighting court battles.

 

With a bit of luck attending court will be a chance for him to get out of his cell, if so, I expect an end to his delaying tactics.