Study provides evidence of Covid-19 mRNA shots rewiring the immune system with unknown long-term effects

[owl sees all]

51 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

There is a WHO publication called "Food, Nutrition and Cancer" . It's about 3 inches thick, and comes out as revised edition every couple of years. It discusses every cancer known to man from the viewpoint of statistical analysis of deaths in each category.

 

The evidence is overwhelming. If you smoke, drink, or are obese, you have a much higher probability of dying of cancer. What is remarkable is while alcohol and tobacco are linked to a few very specific cancers, obesity is linked to almost every one of them. The message is quite clear - lose the beer gut.

 

My own hypothesis is that fat is an accumulator of toxins, inhibiting the body's ability to detoxify them. In point of fact, I could kill any drinker on this forum overnight by massive liver failure with several compounds, and it would be virtually undetectable.

 

Anyone who has seen the images from an electron microscope of bacteria and viruses would disagree with your hypothesis. Do you think the millions of dollars spent on Stage 4 biological laboratories is money wasted? Your theory says it is.

I only quote the WHO 2018 publication because I have one.

 

I don't disagree with you on fat. Every update of the WHO volumes state '''',,,smoking, drinking and obesity,,,''' etc. Wasn't it POTUS Nixon who established the 'war on cancer' back in 1971? We don't seem to have come very far since then! And, IMO, nor can we, while we continue to ignore nature and what it has to offer, both in terms of advice and natural substances.

 

Let's get down to it. I don't agree that ''germs' cause disease, illness or sickness. The natural state of the body is 'good health'. When the chemical and electrical balances of the body are compromised, it goes immediately into attack mode. Expelling what it can. Emulsifying and exterminating. and yes, storing away toxins.

 

As for electron microscopy; I've worked with it, and I've never seen a 'virus'. Seen cell fragments; which I think 'viruses' are. Cell debris! But nothing that has been shown to be pathogenic.

 

''Do you think the millions of dollars spent on Stage 4 biological laboratories is money wasted?'' Absolutely! Better ways of keeping the world healthy.

 

Great debate L.

Edited October 26, 2023 by owl sees all

[watthong]

Just so we know where things stand:

 

One

On 10/25/2023 at 10:32 AM, owl sees all said:

I think it good that the c-19 saga is not swept under the carpet.

 

 

Two

On 10/25/2023 at 11:00 AM, owl sees all said:

What science might that be Watthong? Much of the c-19 science is not so scientific after all.

 

 

Three

On 10/25/2023 at 11:21 AM, owl sees all said:

Let's say the chance of getting a toxic jab is 50%. A second jab opens the door to four possibilities; all rated at 25%.

 

1/ Both jabs are toxic

2/ The first was toxic but not the second

3/ The second was toxic but not the first

4/ Both jabs were benign.

 

However, a further (third) jab swings the odds very much into the chance that at least one jab will be toxic (87.5%). In fact the chance of having three benign jabs are just 12.5% or one in eight.

 

 

Four

On 10/25/2023 at 11:48 AM, owl sees all said:

Sounds like the villagers who got sick, did so because they were unlucky enough to have a toxic jab.

 

 

Finally, something "scientific" did emerge from all this (...and that was just the 1st page of this thread!)

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

It's telling that the same member supporting John Campbell as a legitimate source of COVID info is also giving his own unsupported summary of the research cited in the OP here.... 

 

Nowhere in the OP cited research does the study use the thread's headline language of "rewiring the immune system".  It's also a non-peer reviewed study, and even more telling, try finding any credible news report on its findings, if it's supposedly some kind of news-worthy research.

 

Here's the actual conclusion of the OP's cited study, which bears little to no resemblance to the OP's claims about it:

 

"Conclusion
Our results imply a major role for both IL-4/IL-13 as well as TNF in IgG4 class switching. These novel findings advance our understanding of IgG4 class switch dynamics, and may benefit future mRNA vaccine strategies, humoral tolerance induction, as well as treatment of IgG4 pathologies."

 

I don't hear any COVID vaccine alarm bells going off there.

 

And as for what to make of Campbell, this summary puts it in succinct form:

 

"Regarded as an evidence-based source of information about COVID-19 in 2020, Campbell—who has accrued nearly three million followers on YouTube to date—has since repeatedly published YouTube videos containing false or misleading claims about COVID-19 and COVID-19 vaccines. A list of related reviews published by Health Feedback can be found here."

 

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/analysis-adverse-event-variation-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-batches-doesnt-indicate-safety-problems-contrary-john-campbell/

 

And more here:

 

https://www.factcheck.org/person/john-campbell/

 

Misinformation peddling anti-vaxers of a feather flock together. 

 

 

 

Edited October 26, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Red Phoenix]

40 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

...

Nowhere in the OP cited research does the study use the thread's headline language of "rewiring the immune system".  It's also a non-peer reviewed study, and even more telling, try finding any credible news report on its findings, if it's supposedly some kind of news-worthy research.

Here's the actual conclusion of the OP's cited study, which bears little to no resemblance to the OP's claims about it:

"Conclusion
Our results imply a major role for both IL-4/IL-13 as well as TNF in IgG4 class switching. These novel findings advance our understanding of IgG4 class switch dynamics, and may benefit future mRNA vaccine strategies, humoral tolerance induction, as well as treatment of IgG4 pathologies."

I don't hear any COVID vaccine alarm bells going off there.

...

An easy challenge > try finding any credible news report on its findings

I have read several news reports and articles on the possible consequences of the IgG4 switch in anti-bodies after multiple mRNA jabs as addressed in that dutch pre-print study.

Most of them you would dismiss out of hand ('not a peer reviewed credible source'). 

But New-Zealand based dr Guy Hatchard (from the Hatchard Report) shines his light on the relevance of the findings of that dutch paper. 

Title of the article > A new paper should alarm our newly elected politicians and galvanize them into responsible action.

Source: https://globe.global/how-can-we-wake-up-the-comatose-political-process/

Contrary to the pre-print article with much 'scientific mumbo-jumbo' thereby obfuscating the very plausible but dreadful consequences of the IgG4 switch for the triple-vaccinated, Hatchard's article is written in plain language.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

You must have missed the part about CREDIBLE..  But no, I  realize credibility is not much of a criteria or value for such posters:

 

GB News interview features misleading claims about Covid-19 and vaccines

"An interview broadcast by GB News, and watched more than 250,000 times across Facebook and YouTube, makes a number of inaccurate claims about Covid-19 and vaccines. 

 

The segment on 23 March, presented by the author and television presenter Mark Steyn, featured Dr Guy Hatchard, a self-described “international advocate of food safety and natural medicine”.

 

The claims from both Mr Steyn and Dr Hatchard include incorrect statements about excess mortality, Covd-19 risk factors and vaccine effectiveness."

 

https://fullfact.org/health/guy-hatchard-mark-steyn-gb-news/

 

AND

 

Finding fame in the anti-vax space

"Looks at Dr Guy Hatchard, finding fame with 'alternative facts' in the online anti-vaccination ecosystem. ...

and how Hatchard seems to lack any actual expertise to speak on epidemiology or medicine. Looks at his role as a 'superspreader' of misinformation and his claim to have received a PhD in Psychology from a Ayurvedic yoga university unaccredited by the American Psychological Association."

 

https://natlib-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldisplay?vid=NLNZ&docid=INNZ7175107670002837&context=L&search_scope=INNZ

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

26 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

An easy challenge > try finding any credible news report on its findings

I have read several news reports and articles on the possible consequences of the IgG4 switch in anti-bodies after multiple mRNA jabs as addressed in that dutch pre-print study.

Most of them you would dismiss out of hand ('not a peer reviewed credible source'). 

But New-Zealand based dr Guy Hatchard (from the Hatchard Report) shines his light on the relevance of the findings of that dutch paper. 

Title of the article > A new paper should alarm our newly elected politicians and galvanize them into responsible action.

Source: https://globe.global/how-can-we-wake-up-the-comatose-political-process/

Contrary to the pre-print article with much 'scientific mumbo-jumbo' thereby obfuscating the very plausible but dreadful consequences of the IgG4 switch for the triple-vaccinated, Hatchard's article is written in plain language.

 

Another anti vax blog, no contact, no names, completely anonymous aside from one author who happens to be a Dr. Guy Hatchard  an international advocate of food safety and natural medicine. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

14 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

his claim to have received a PhD in Psychology from a Ayurvedic yoga university unaccredited by the American Psychological Association."

 

"Guy is an international advocate of food safety and natural medicine.

 

He received his undergraduate degree in Logic and Theoretical Physics from the University of Sussex and his Ph.D. in Psychology from Maharishi University of Management, Fairfield Iowa."

 

https://hatchardreport.com/about-guy/

 

"Maharishi International University, formerly Maharishi University of Management, is a private university in Fairfield, Iowa. It was founded in 1973 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and practices a "consciousness-based education" system that includes the Transcendental Meditation technique."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharishi_International_University

 

WOW!!!  If I ever need expert guidance about COVID vaccines, this guy's sure going to be at the top of my list...  NOT!!!  Right after anti-vax podiatrists and chiropractors. 

 

So this is what the anti-vaxers here have to stoop to to find their "credible sources" on COVID vaccines???

 

 

 

[novacova]

On 10/25/2023 at 11:24 AM, Red Phoenix said:

To satisfy your curiosity > Me and my lady are the only ones in our Isaan village that did NOT take the jabs.  And coincidentally we are also the only ones that didn't catch covid (or didn't notice it if we did). 

I have a few friends in Padaet CR that did not get the vaccine, not a single one caught Covid, yet many in the area that did get the vaccine caught covid, nearly everyone I know who got the vaccine caught Covid in one form or another. Leads me to believe the vaccine compromises the immune system. 

[xylophone]

16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Another anti vax blog, no contact, no names, completely anonymous aside from one author who happens to be a Dr. Guy Hatchard  an international advocate of food safety and natural medicine. 

 

And already discredited in a previous post by TallGuyJohninBKK...... (Thanks TGJBKK) and as for Hatchard having a PHD in Psychology from an Ayurvedic yoga university........next the AntiVax mob will be stating that one one of their mob got his/her diploma from the back of a CornFlakes packet BUT it was endorsed by Kellogs.

 

The claims from both Mr Steyn and Dr Hatchard include incorrect statements about excess mortality, Covd-19 risk factors and vaccine effectiveness."

https://fullfact.org/health/guy-hatchard-mark-steyn-gb-news/

AND

 

 Finding fame in the anti-vax space

"Looks at Dr Guy Hatchard, finding fame with 'alternative facts' in the online anti-vaccination ecosystem. ...

and how Hatchard seems to lack any actual expertise to speak on epidemiology or medicine. Looks at his role as a 'superspreader' of misinformation and his claim to have received a PhD in Psychology from a Ayurvedic yoga university unaccredited by the American Psychological Association."

 

https://natlib-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldisplay?vid=NLNZ&docid=INNZ7175107670002837&context=L&search_scope=INNZ
 

How low are these people prepared to go in order to twist the science in order to prove their case......as I said previously; Luddites and scammers.

Edited October 26, 2023 by xylophone

[BenStark]

14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Another anti vax blog, no contact, no names, completely anonymous aside from one author who happens to be a Dr. Guy Hatchard  an international advocate of food safety and natural medicine. 

 

And which are your qualifications to claim that a doctor's findings are just anti-vax?

[xylophone]

2 minutes ago, BenStark said:

 

And which are your qualifications to claim that a doctor's findings are just anti-vax?

 

Try and keep up.........he is not a medical doctor:-

 

"Maharishi International University, formerly Maharishi University of Management, is a private university in Fairfield, Iowa. It was founded in 1973 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and practices a "consciousness-based education" system that includes the Transcendental Meditation technique."

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 minutes ago, BenStark said:

 

And which are your qualifications to claim that a doctor's findings are just anti-vax?

 

The guy has a degree in psychology, not medicine. He has no credentials for credibility in the field.

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, BenStark said:

 

And which are your qualifications to claim that a doctor's findings are just anti-vax?

 

What further skills do you need when a blog tells you in English that it is against all forms of mrna vaccines along with any experimentation that ivolves them and in fact wants to further Outlaw Biotechnology Experimentation?

 

I'll wait for a response on that.

[BenStark]

Just now, xylophone said:

 

Try and keep up.........he is not a medical doctor:-

 

"Maharishi International University, formerly Maharishi University of Management, is a private university in Fairfield, Iowa. It was founded in 1973 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and practices a "consciousness-based education" system that includes the Transcendental Meditation technique."

 

OK no problem. Are you, or anyone else spouting their "knowledge" about covid or vaccines, a medical doctor?

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 minutes ago, BenStark said:

 

OK no problem. Are you, or anyone else spouting their "knowledge" about covid or vaccines, a medical doctor?

 

At the moment, those of us on my side of the aisle aren't making any vaccine claims here -- just shooting down the ridiculous, non-credible claims made by others by showing they have no valid credentials in the subject field and/or have documented histories of peddling misinformation.

 

But if we are making claims in other places, they're almost always based on credible source news reports, high quality scientific research and recognized experts and health agencies in the field.

 

Give it a try for a change...

 

 

Edited October 26, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[BenStark]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

At the moment, those of us on my side of the aisle aren't making any vaccine claims here -- just shooting down the ridiculous, non-credible claims made by others by showing they have no valid credentials in the subject field and/or have documented histories of peddling misinformation.

 

So again, what are your qualifications to discredit claims made by people, who may not be a medical doctor, but obviously have much higher degrees than anyone in this thread

[Red Phoenix]

56 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

...New-Zealand based dr Guy Hatchard (from the Hatchard Report) shines his light on the relevance of the findings of that dutch paper. 

Title of the article > A new paper should alarm our newly elected politicians and galvanize them into responsible action.

Source: https://globe.global/how-can-we-wake-up-the-comatose-political-process/

Contrary to the pre-print article with much 'scientific mumbo-jumbo' thereby obfuscating the very plausible but dreadful consequences of the IgG4 switch for the triple-vaccinated, Hatchard's article is written in plain language.

 

 

Lol, as expected the Usual Suspects are all rolling over the alleged 'lack of qualifications' of dr Guy Hatchard to explain the consequences of that dutch pre-print on IgG4 switch. 

I bet that none of them actually READ the article... being to busy digging for dirt on the author.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, BenStark said:

 

So again, what are your qualifications to discredit claims made by people, who may not be a medical doctor, but obviously have much higher degrees than anyone in this thread

What makes you think this food nutritionist has a more credible degree than anyone here "PHD in Psychology from an Ayurvedic yoga university" unaccredited 

[xylophone]

6 minutes ago, BenStark said:

 

So again, what are your qualifications to discredit claims made by people, who may not be a medical doctor, but obviously have much higher degrees than anyone in this thread

 

but obviously have much higher degrees than anyone in this thread........

 

And you know this how??? Stop your nonsense and get back to reality.

[BenStark]

1 minute ago, xylophone said:

 

but obviously have much higher degrees than anyone in this thread........

 

And you know this how??? Stop your nonsense and get back to reality.

 

So what are YOUR medical qualifications?

 

Wine connoisseur is not one of them just FYI.

 

Get back to reality

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

29 minutes ago, BenStark said:

So again, what are your qualifications to discredit claims made by people, who may not be a medical doctor, but obviously have much higher degrees than anyone in this thread

 

I personally am not discrediting the guy.... but a well-respected science-medical fact checking site and a news agency report are..... which is good enough for me...

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1310237-study-provides-evidence-of-covid-19-mrna-shots-rewiring-the-immune-system-with-unknown-long-term-effects/?do=findComment&comment=18451968

 

Especially when the guy has a non APA accredited psychology degree from an obscure university in a field that has absolutely nothing to do with the field of COVID vaccines or medical research. All of that kinda makes the conclusion easy.

 

If you have a heart attack or a blood infection and they're rolling you into the hospital Emergency Room, are you going to seek your diagnosis and have your condition evaluated and treated by a psychologist? I think NOT!

 

In short, when it comes to COVID vaccines, all available evidence pretty clearly shows the guy's a non-credible quack and misinformation peddler -- as documented by the previously cited sources above.

 

 

 

Edited October 26, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Bkk Brian]

25 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Lol, as expected the Usual Suspects are all rolling over the alleged 'lack of qualifications' of dr Guy Hatchard to explain the consequences of that dutch pre-print on IgG4 switch. 

I bet that none of them actually READ the article... being to busy digging for dirt on the author.

 

Nothing to do with the study, all to do with his summary of it, I especially like this rant....lol

 

"In the lead up to the first world war, Winston Churchill, then First Lord of the Admiralty, founded an institution called ‘The Other Club’. Its purpose was to enable politicians from across the broad political spectrum to meet together over lunch outside of parliament with leaders of business and industry, the media and renowned thinkers to discuss pressing issues in need of novel solutions. The existence of The Other Club is credited with the swift formation and efficient operation of the cross party coalition that Churchill formed soon after his appointment as Prime Minister in 1940 to win WWII."

[rattlesnake]

17 hours ago, watthong said:

 

FYI, At the peak of his medical career he was a nurse, not a physician. As such, one can not call oneself a doctor when discussing medical stuff.  That spells f-r-a-u-d.

 

 

Too bad, because you must have missed the one interview where he discussed covid situation in Thailand with the best local authority on the subject he could find: a Khao San type (long hair, full beard, in shorts and flipflop) ESL teacher. Who probably made a pre-nup with the "Dr." so that he could strum his guitar and sing his own composition at the end of the clip. Totally clueless as far as covid was concerned, dude just wanted to get his future top ten (thousandth) hit on line and this was the one outlet that would allow him that.

 

For the most part of the interview, it consisted of the "Dr." asking leading questions and the guest nodding his head, ahah, ahah, and so forth. Yeah, it's under control yeah, what, oh yeah, not many covid cases - though we were in the midst of rolling lock down - and so forth... and doc finally answered his own questions. Yeah, that's the kind of materials you'll get from this so-called doctor. But if that's up your alley, hey, by all means go for it. As they say, "you can fool some people some of the time..."

"FYI, At the peak of his medical career he was a nurse, not a physician. As such, one can not call oneself a doctor when discussing medical stuff.  That spells f-r-a-u-d."

 

Based on your rationale, what is your take on Bill Gates, who is not a doctor and has no training in medicine or public health whatsoever, yet is one of the most influential forces with regard to the Covid response and vaccines, and is a massive WHO donor ($531 million in 2018-2019)?

 

How Bill Gates and partners used their clout to control the global Covid response — with little oversight

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/14/global-covid-pandemic-response-bill-gates-partners-00053969

 

How is the World Health Organization funded, and why does it rely so much on Bill Gates?

https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/02/03/how-is-the-world-health-organization-funded-and-why-does-it-rely-so-much-on-bill-gates

[Red Phoenix]

22 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

Nothing to do with the study, all to do with his summary of it, I especially like this rant....lol

 

"In the lead up to the first world war, Winston Churchill, then First Lord of the Admiralty, founded an institution called ‘The Other Club’. Its purpose was to enable politicians from across the broad political spectrum to meet together over lunch outside of parliament with leaders of business and industry, the media and renowned thinkers to discuss pressing issues in need of novel solutions. The existence of The Other Club is credited with the swift formation and efficient operation of the cross party coalition that Churchill formed soon after his appointment as Prime Minister in 1940 to win WWII."

 

Well, you read it and so I apologize to you.

[save the frogs]

7 hours ago, xylophone said:

 

I forgot to add that as the mRNA vaccine has been worked on/in progress for over 50 years, when does it cease to be something which the anti-vax mob call, "an experimental vaccine?".

 

Many other vaccines and drugs have had nowhere near this length of time in study and development. Food for thought, no less. 

 

50 years.

much longer than I realized.

thanks

[Bkk Brian]

33 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

"FYI, At the peak of his medical career he was a nurse, not a physician. As such, one can not call oneself a doctor when discussing medical stuff.  That spells f-r-a-u-d."

 

Based on your rationale, what is your take on Bill Gates, who is not a doctor and has no training in medicine or public health whatsoever, yet is one of the most influential forces with regard to the Covid response and vaccines, and is a massive WHO donor ($531 million in 2018-2019)?

 

How Bill Gates and partners used their clout to control the global Covid response — with little oversight

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/14/global-covid-pandemic-response-bill-gates-partners-00053969

 

How is the World Health Organization funded, and why does it rely so much on Bill Gates?

https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/02/03/how-is-the-world-health-organization-funded-and-why-does-it-rely-so-much-on-bill-gates

 

The important point is did he achieve his dastardly plan to micro chip everyone with a tracking device with every shot given. That's what the predictions were at least, would love to see if the conspiracy theory came true....lol

[watthong]

3 hours ago, BenStark said:

 

So again, what are your qualifications to discredit claims made by people, who may not be a medical doctor, but obviously have much higher degrees than anyone in this thread

 

Again, context is absent in this kind of argument. There seems to be quite a few among this "contingent"...

[rattlesnake]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

The important point is did he achieve his dastardly plan to micro chip everyone with a tracking device with every shot given. That's what the predictions were at least, would love to see if the conspiracy theory came true....lol

I think you made the right call by going for a humorous response, as tackling the substance of the issue would be risky to say the least. I am not expecting an actual answer.

[rattlesnake]

12 hours ago, xylophone said:

 

Why on earth would I want to waste my time reading misinformation by this fraud.

 

"Dr" John Lorimer Campbell is an English YouTuber and retired nurse educator known for his videos about the COVID-19 pandemic. Initially, the videos received praise, but they later veered into misinformation.[2] He has been criticised for suggesting COVID-19 deaths have been over-counted, repeating false claims about the use of ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment, and providing misleading commentary about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.[3][4][5] As of June 2023, his YouTube channel had 2.8 million subscribers and over 653 million views.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

 

 

What's your take on this? Authored by 4 PhDs.

 

https://correlation-canada.org/covid-19-vaccine-associated-mortality-in-the-southern-hemisphere/

 

The paper is based on 17 countries in the Southern Hemisphere and equatorial region. A definite causal link is shown between many peaks in all-cause mortality and rapid vaccine rollouts. The authors quantify the fatal toxicity risk per injection, which is exceedingly large in the most elderly.

 

[rattlesnake]

On 10/25/2023 at 6:57 AM, connda said:

These EUA "vaccines" built on an mRNA platform completely bypassed long-term testing, and then was approved for human use (Comirnaty), again, without long-term testing.  Well the phamacutical companies are completely indemnified, so if they "made mistakes" that harm people's health.  Too bad.

"You are anti-vaxxer."

No.  I'm not.  I have no problem with shots built on traditional vaccine technology and which are proven to be sterilizing vaccines and have long-term testing and real-world use.  In other words, if you get the shot, you will not get the disease.  And I take rabies vaccines myself as I work with animals.  And I give my own animals vaccines.  Far from being "anti-vaxx" but over the last three years using pejoratives like "anti-vaxxer" and "conspiracy theorist" were commonly used by those who could not justify their own arguments, so they immediately fall back on ad-hominid attacks on those with whom they disagree. Can't support your own argument - then attack the character of the person you disagree with.   I saw plenty of that right here.

So I will take shots based on proven vaccine technology, but shots based on mRNA tech?  Nope. 

I won't even consider putting that stuff in my body, my family's bodies, or my animal's bodies until there are solid long-term meta-analysis studies showing both efficacy and safety.   And I don't trust regulators like the FDA which has a revolving door between those who supposedly regulate and the companies they regulate.  That's regulatory capture and it only benefits revenues and profits for pharmaceutical companies, and of course those regulators who move from the government watchdog for public safety to highly lucrative jobs with the companies they use to so-call regulate.

If after 7 to 10 years (a typical vaccine testing cycle) these shots are conclusively proved to be both safe and effective - even better - are sterilizing vaccines, then maybe I'd consider them.  For Covid though?  Probably not.
I had Covid.  It was a nothing-burger.  After three and a half years of extreme hyperbole and fear-monger, I catch the virus, and had a mild "flu-like" symptoms that were completely gone in 5 days.  Oh, by the way.  Every one of my extended family members who took the Covid shot (virtually all mandated <coerced> by their employers> came down with Covid before I did, and their kids too.  Me and my wife "unvaccinated?"  We didn't get until August of this year.  And again - it was nothing.  A nuisance.

So no, I'll never take the Covid (mRNA, AV, or inactivated virus) shots in the future either.  Anecdotally, I see no evidence within my own family that they work.  And I'm concerned for the long-term health of my family members who did take it. 

Over the long-term, we will eventually find the reality about these mRNA Covid 'vaccines' as well as the mRNA technology they are built up.  Good and bad.

Anecdotally, I see no evidence within my own family that they work.  And I'm concerned for the long-term health of my family members who did take it.

 

Same here. An aquaintance of mine has just died of turbo-cancer. He was a doctor, a picture of health. He had four jabs. Three months ago he started having symptoms, and now he is dead.