overstay problem

[simon43]

17 hours ago, JimTripper said:

so what, what difference does it make? it's an anonymous forum and you will never meet anyone on here. the profile pictures are fake.

Mine is real ... 🙂

[Pattaya57]

13 hours ago, JimTripper said:

Another option could be to simply stay in thailand.

 

if he gets arrested or caught the ban would be much longer and the fine the same BUT he would remain with his gf and the chances are he would not get caught if he is careful, especially if he is living upcountry and has the support of her family. i don't think they jail you if he is on a much longer overstay, he's just deported with a longer ban.

 

if that longer ban did occur he could still live in siem reap or something and the gf could travel there and spend half the year with him or whatever the visa allowed is for thai's.

 

if he simply leaves now he gets a shorter ban, BUT if he's in love that year or two is more important to have now then some future plan of returning. if it worked out they may be able to get married and immigrate to his home country, but if he comes back in a year or two that bonding time is gone and they probably would not just pick up where they left off in terms of how they feel about each other.

Just stay here illegally to be with gf. That is almost as stupid as the now removed swim across the Mekong advice

[richard_smith237]

On 11/3/2023 at 12:46 PM, Jenkins9039 said:

Don't waste time booking him a flight, they will send him to court, then detention, spend 4 months there before expelling...

 

Shop him in for the commission (think you get rewards for that now).

 

It's people like him that makes it harder for the rest of us. 

 

So much wrong about this post... from being completely devoid of fact, to being jumped up grass, to some ridiculous hyperbolic exaggeration... 

 

... the mind boggles at what is really going on in some people's mind.

 

 

[darrendsd]

On 11/2/2023 at 11:17 PM, Tod Daniels said:

 

have him buy a ticket back to where ever it is he comes from, show up at the airport with 20K baht (the max the fine can be) pay the fine, sign the banning paperwork, get the 1 year ban if he's overstay under a year or get the 3 year ban if he's overstayed more than a year, and leave the country.

 

He won't have ANY issue at all doing what I just outlined IF he gets to the airport.

Can an agent help him? Unlikely, overstays are the one thing that are cut in stone, I mean you either overstayed your stamp or you didn't, and it's highly unlikely he 'forgot' he was on overstay for a year 😕 So I imagine he needs to suck it up, get the ban, go back to where he comes from, wait it out and then come back. 

Some Agents can help with overstay however a years overstay might be pushing it

[Jenkins9039]

On 11/3/2023 at 2:13 PM, JimTripper said:

if he has a ticket out at the airport they kind of know what to do and what the procedure is. don't say anything at the airport, just act like you don't know anything about it and do what they tell you. slim chance, but possible some busy officer just waves you through.

Not likely, they arrest, and send to the nearby tourist police centre (outside of the airport if Phuket), which results in charges, send to a cell, sent to court, then sent to Bangkok for deportation.

 

Having a flight booked out of the country is irrelevant.

 

They do this for fiscally hurting the individual, it sets an example.

[Caldera]

4 hours ago, Jenkins9039 said:

Not likely, they arrest, and send to the nearby tourist police centre (outside of the airport if Phuket), which results in charges, send to a cell, sent to court, then sent to Bangkok for deportation.

 

Having a flight booked out of the country is irrelevant.

 

They do this for fiscally hurting the individual, it sets an example.

 

Nonsense. There are plenty of reports from people with lengthy overstays (and I mean multiple years) who were processed at the airport as described in this thread. You're just scaremongering.

[Jenkins9039]

5 hours ago, Caldera said:

 

Nonsense. There are plenty of reports from people with lengthy overstays (and I mean multiple years) who were processed at the airport as described in this thread. You're just scaremongering.

Don't you read the news?

 

https://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-immigration-crackdown-results-in-188-arrests-in-one-year-90149.php

[BritTim]

5 hours ago, Jenkins9039 said:

Don't you read the news?

 

https://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-immigration-crackdown-results-in-188-arrests-in-one-year-90149.php

 

I am reasonably sure there is more to this story than someone who has passed through immigration (and presumably paid overstay fines and received a blacklisting stamp) subsequently being arrested at the departure gate prior to leaving the country. There are several possible scenarios that come to mind, but just leaving via an international flight with a long overstay is not one of them.

[Felton Jarvis]

On 11/3/2023 at 4:40 PM, Felton Jarvis said:

Could someone explain WHY they are "hard as nails" on this subject?  I am not aware of any other country where this is such an unforgivable sin.

It's an old Thai  principle called "Farang mai dee....we do because we CAN.  Must show farang who is BOSS!!!"

[vinny41]

2 hours ago, Felton Jarvis said:

It's an old Thai  principle called "Farang mai dee....we do because we CAN.  Must show farang who is BOSS!!!"

Many countries have similar rules for visa over staying

Schengen Area

and every overstaying, even just for a day, is recorded.

Secondly, intentional or unintentional, no overstaying is left unpunished. It could be fine, immediate deportation, or even getting banned from entering the Schengen Zone for a specific amount of time.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/90-180-day-rule/consequences-of-overstaying/

Turkey

Violation up to 3 Months: 3 month entry ban.

3 months – 6 month violation: 6 month entry ban.

6 months – 1 year violation: 1 year entry ban

1 year – 2 year violation: 2 – year entry ban.

Violation over 2 years illegal stay: automatic 5 – year ban on entry to Turkey

https://residencepermitturkey.com/turkish-deport-regulation-for-foreigners-turkey

 

 

[Felton Jarvis]

39 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Many countries have similar rules for visa over staying

Schengen Area

and every overstaying, even just for a day, is recorded.

Secondly, intentional or unintentional, no overstaying is left unpunished. It could be fine, immediate deportation, or even getting banned from entering the Schengen Zone for a specific amount of time.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/90-180-day-rule/consequences-of-overstaying/

Turkey

Violation up to 3 Months: 3 month entry ban.

3 months – 6 month violation: 6 month entry ban.

6 months – 1 year violation: 1 year entry ban

1 year – 2 year violation: 2 – year entry ban.

Violation over 2 years illegal stay: automatic 5 – year ban on entry to Turkey

https://residencepermitturkey.com/turkish-deport-regulation-for-foreigners-turkey

 

 

Who the HELL wants to go to Turkey? Denmark and the Schengen Zone is first-world, not a developing backwater like Thailand.  Imperial overreach.

 

 

[freeworld]

7 minutes ago, Felton Jarvis said:

Who the HELL wants to go to Turkey?

 

Many people. The Turkish are very friendly.

[PJ71]

36 minutes ago, freeworld said:

Many people. The Turkish are very friendly.

very hairy

[Felton Jarvis]

51 minutes ago, freeworld said:

Many people. The Turkish are very friendly.

Stick with places that need and want our business.

[Chris Daley]

Just pay the fine and + an extra 5000.  They will tear your arm off.

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, Felton Jarvis said:

Who the HELL wants to go to Turkey? Denmark and the Schengen Zone is first-world, not a developing backwater like Thailand.  Imperial overreach.

 

 

I assume that you don't travel much since you stated the Schengen Zone is first-world

Here are some of the first world countries

Schengen Area covers most of the EU countries, except Ireland, and the countries soon to be part of the Schengen Area: Romania, Bulgaria, and Cyprus. Although not members of the EU, countries like Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and Lichtenstein are also part of the Schengen zone.

The 27 Schengen countries are Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Croatia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/schengen-visa-countries-list/

[Felton Jarvis]

58 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I assume that you don't travel much since you stated the Schengen Zone is first-world

Here are some of the first world countries

Schengen Area covers most of the EU countries, except Ireland, and the countries soon to be part of the Schengen Area: Romania, Bulgaria, and Cyprus. Although not members of the EU, countries like Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and Lichtenstein are also part of the Schengen zone.

The 27 Schengen countries are Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Croatia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/schengen-visa-countries-list/

Bottom line...There IS NO OVERSTAY "PROBLEM". It is an invented problem by Thai Immigration. Even the overstayers are pumping large sums of money into the tattered Thai economy. Thai Immigration is merely trying to act like "the big boys". Compare this to America where the Immigrants have NO money and need to take crap agriculture jobs that no American wants. A totally manufactured problem. In both cases.

[vinci]

I saw this topic has popped up again and I would like to finalize it, we use this agent company, I won't mention their name, they are a legal firm but also an agent, quite famous you can google it, we head down to immigration to turn himself in, with their help and a good reason why he overstays for that long, I didn't care what reason it was or tactic they use as long as they get it done, they fine him with the full amount and gave him a 14 days extension to leave the country to get a proper visa, he will be leaving going back home in two days, and can return with exempt or visa, I don't condone anybody to overstay. 

[setbkk]

Good luck Vinci.  Let us know if it is successful.  Lots of people in that same status.

 

Rogue Immigration agents can put the proper stamps in your passport to look legitimate.  But I really doubt they can go in immigration database and backdate data.  Any good database system does not allow backdating and also tracks person making the entries.  Anyone IMO trying to do that is easily busted.

 

Vinci shows up with appropriate stamps in passport but immigration database recognizes the fake entries.  Busted big time.  Just my IMHO.

[Caldera]

8 hours ago, setbkk said:

Good luck Vinci.  Let us know if it is successful.  Lots of people in that same status.

 

Rogue Immigration agents can put the proper stamps in your passport to look legitimate.  But I really doubt they can go in immigration database and backdate data.  Any good database system does not allow backdating and also tracks person making the entries.  Anyone IMO trying to do that is easily busted.

 

Vinci shows up with appropriate stamps in passport but immigration database recognizes the fake entries.  Busted big time.  Just my IMHO.

 

That's not how fixers fix this. You're right about the database. 

[Dmitry2222]

Is there some law grounds that on a border control with an overstay you should be passed? i.e. is it possible to be deported instead of departure?

[Bingo66]

COsts 200k to get this fixed from a visa agent in Pattaya, a immigration guy drove my friend south from BKK toa deep south border and he had to spend the day taking pictures coming in and out.

 

he had 16 monthres overstay, that was one-two years ago and he's been able to come in several times and hes on a non imm b now through aonther agent.

[Dmitry2222]

On 11/5/2023 at 10:53 PM, BritTim said:

 

I am reasonably sure there is more to this story than someone who has passed through immigration (and presumably paid overstay fines and received a blacklisting stamp) subsequently being arrested at the departure gate prior to leaving the country. There are several possible scenarios that come to mind, but just leaving via an international flight with a long overstay is not one of them.

In original text of the news was noted that him was catched in the "international departures hall": "The scene unfolded at the international departures hall, where dreams of escaping the consequences were dashed by the vigilant officers." Some sites corrected the content and deleted it. I do not think that it may be done after the border control.

[vinci]

for all you Karan, he made it home just fine in fact he is already back in Bangkok with a visa, overstay is bannable but it does not mean you will get banned, the catch is with good reason and an understanding IO no ban is needed.

[Pattaya57]

2 hours ago, vinci said:

for all you Karan, he made it home just fine in fact he is already back in Bangkok with a visa, overstay is bannable but it does not mean you will get banned, the catch is with good reason and an understanding IO no ban is needed.

Well you said he was "about a year" and less than 1 year overstay has no ban.

 

You also said you had to buy him a ticket and pay overstay fine. To return to Thailand so quick without funds is he just going to overstay again as no long-term visa?