Pot industry pushes back against draft law that would put an end to Thailand’s cannabis revolution

[ujayujay]

8 hours ago, Moonfire said:

Well, don't cherry-pick.....and be a hypocrite.... all of nothing LOL 

 

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If stupid Whataboutism is your answer, who cares.........

[Gilligan In Drag]

6 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Nice one,    I think many will also quietly continue here as they have done for centuries,  My brother in law , a police inspector, confirmed a long time ago that he considered   "Lao" to be the best 

The people who traditionally have valued and developed the world famous so-called Thai stick, Mango Thai and Lao Gold as they are known today and among many other lines are the Phu Tai and ethnic Lao of Isaan and they hail from both countries, however Thailand has had more exposure to other regions and farmers have mixed the more inbred and unique lines they still keep in remote parts of Laos with probably indicas for better yields and faster flowering at the expense of quality of the effects. Still incredible weed has been grown here for centuries and still does, just not avaiolable in your average shop in Thailand. But You can still grow your own of those varieties. There's a pot landrace preservation society called Zomia that also sells other lines that Angus doesn't carry and they also have excellent photos of various southeast Asian drug varieties that are still grown and seeds of which they sell from Thailand, Cambodia, and India. They are based in Bangkok as well, but looks like they will have to close up and it will all disappear again and you'll have to go into the hills of Nakorn Si Thammarat yourself and get your own seeds of Grandma's Tanaosri Red Star or Meun Sri!

[WhatMeWorry]

10 hours ago, smedly said:

Thailand has enough to deal with regarding alcohol - it does not need another drug rampaging society, excessive use of weed has been shown to cause long term brain damage - many studies have shown this

Some might laugh at your post but you are absolutely spot on. I once worked for a large insurance company as a claims analyst and was astonished at the amount of claims submitted to our company for physiological damages due to marijuana.  These damages to the mind have also lead to many suicides on our claims. 

[Bday Prang]

15 minutes ago, WhatMeWorry said:

Some might laugh at your post but you are absolutely spot on. I once worked for a large insurance company as a claims analyst and was astonished at the amount of claims submitted to our company for physiological damages due to marijuana.  These damages to the mind have also lead to many suicides on our claims. 

How long ago did you "work for  the large insurance company"  ?   the word "once" implies it was presumably some time ago.  you must have seen many astonishing claims

"I turned into the wrong driveway and collided with a tree I didn't have"  sort of thing

 

  Is / was it even possible to insure oneself against the alleged  side effects of cannabis use.  Hardly a case of medical negligence, and insurance companies don't normally pay out for self inflicted injuries  due to illegal drug use or anything else .  Intoxication by alcohol being a favorite cop out clause heard often on this forum. 

I didn't think they coughed up for suicide either 

I think you are making this up

[Cabradelmar]

so many scared old men fearing ganja is the end of humanity... LOL... yet if you are not smoking weed, you are probably a tobacco smoking, out of shape, booze hound with a poor diet and far too many subscription medications #classic 

[Bday Prang]

8 hours ago, Zack61 said:

The genie is out of the bottle and now they are trying to put it back. 
If we are going to be honest with the situation we have to admit the current laws were passed without a lot of thought of consequences. Whilst I love a puff as much as the next guy I do concede the current situation is only going to lead to more pain for many in the form of irresponsible use and behaviour leading to more road deaths and accidents as well as other long term health affects from blatant abuse of the stuff. 
I do believe in the up side regarding health benefits but getting stoned and then getting behind the wheel or handle bars is not a health benefit for anyone. I gave it up 5 years ago after smoking it for 40 years and I can’t say I regret it. My memory was being f##ked over and I was doing some silly things. 
I appreciate the investment ploughed into the grass business but I do believe the current laws need to be amended to at least try to protect innocent lives that may be inadvertently affected by some irresponsible users. These laws were passed in haste for political and financial advantage and now need to be reconsidered. 

  you love a puff as much as the next guy  but gave it up 5 tears ago  so you obviously don't, at least not anymore.    What part of "not for sale to under 21's" do you not understand   Its considered an acceptable and appropriate safety measure for allowing alcohol to continue to be sold to consenting adults   so why not weed  ?

[Bday Prang]

6 minutes ago, Cabradelmar said:

so many scared old men fearing ganja is the end of humanity... LOL... yet if you are not smoking weed, you are probably a tobacco smoking, out of shape, booze hound with a poor diet and far too many subscription medications #classic 

Exactly,  the same scared old men who wrongly predicted the end of the world was nigh prior to legalisation,  continuing with the same illogical predictions of what will happen if it isn't suddenly recriminalized all based on the original old reefer madness rubbish which has been revamped, updated by "experts" to suit a modern narrative and uploaded on to the internet with a convenient link for them. But its still the same rubbish it was 100 years ago   Live and let live you moaning irrelevant geriatrics go pour yourselves a whisky 

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, Jonathan Swift said:

There have been hundreds of studies, which you could easily have found were it not for laziness on your part. Most of your questions could have been addressed online with a little research. Too much actual work though, right? 

Hundreds of studies in Thailand?

So, what went wrong if all was studied in detail in advance?

If you know about any studies which the government evaluated before they implemented the legalization, then please share them.

I read the news every day and I don't remember ever seeing anything like that. 

 

[Bday Prang]

21 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Hundreds of studies in Thailand?

So, what went wrong if all was studied in detail in advance?

If you know about any studies which the government evaluated before they implemented the legalization, then please share them.

I read the news every day and I don't remember ever seeing anything like that. 

 

Likewise I see the news daily and there are very very few negative stories , compared to the daily deluge of alcohol related incidents and those related to general stupidity, which is something else that can't be banned

[connda]

7 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

already done

Excellent! 

[Jumbo1968]

Has there been a notable increase in tourism since weed was removed from the narcotics list ?

I do sympathise with the shop owners and farmers who might go out of business but why start up a business when it wasn’t in black and white what the laws were going to be ?

[NextG]

9 minutes ago, Jumbo1968 said:

Has there been a notable increase in tourism since weed was removed from the narcotics list ?

I do sympathise with the shop owners and farmers who might go out of business but why start up a business when it wasn’t in black and white what the laws were going to be ?

Are you asking yourself such a stupid question?

What do you think everyone should have done? Waited a few years for the dust to settle?

Meanwhile those who bought Apple and Bitcoin at the beginning are smiling at you. Of course they should all have waited until they were sure the whole Apple and Bitcoin thing was guaranteed to be a success.  

[jvs]

10 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Medicinal cannabis may have some benefits but recreational cannabis just causes problems across society.

Can you say please what kind of problems it causes for society?

I have not noticed anything.

[candide]

1. People who smoke weed tend to drink less alcohol, so there are obvious side benefits.

2. There is a real and more dangerous issue in Thailand with synthetic drugs (most of all Yaba, but also others such as Fentanyl, Ketamin, etc...). It's inefficient for authorities to lose time on weed. Attention must be focused on synthetic drugs, not only to fight against traffic, but also to provide rehab solutions to drug addicts (instead of just putting them in jail).

 

[Trippy]

2 minutes ago, jvs said:

Can you say please what kind of problems it causes for society?

I have not noticed anything.

Weed makes people happy and relaxed, some on here don't like that.

[scottiejohn]

9 minutes ago, candide said:

1. People who smoke weed tend to drink less alcohol, so there are obvious side benefits.

What a joke! 

 

[jonclark]

4 hours ago, Gilligan In Drag said:

There's also a pretty important consideration that gets ignored and thrown under the bus:

 

The dangers of prohibition.

 

Recreational drug use can  harm some, but so do governments that propagandize their people and render them 

that much more confused and ignorant in that process, or so can driving a car harm people. Supernovas explode with the power to annihilate whole local

star clusters, but also provide the material to form new worlds. Get used to it, Shiva. the god of destruction  is not worshipped

by 100's of millions of people in India for no reason, its a profound and prevasive aspect of life that the polite genteel gardners

of the western world think they can get under control by spraying their gardens with pesticides. When governments embark on drug wars and prohibitions you are effectively spraying your people with pesticides adding something equally as dangerous as rampant drug abuse if not more so

to the whole mix. Its not like no one knew that even 100 years ago either and its often what you read as to why they stopped alcohol prohibition in the west: its doesn't work and and creates more problems than it solves.

 

Prohibition is already a long discredited way to control the harmful effects of mass recreational drug use on society if it ever

is sincerely carried out to protect society, and personally I don't think it is done for that purpose.

 

It is clearly useful as a political tool, social control, and for the profit of entities like colonial and neo-colonial entites and drug companies,

branches of government and criminal elites. It is NEVER done to protect you, lets not be naive, there are no governments

that exist or who have ever existed that were sincerely that interested in their citizen's welfare. It isn't their job, its your job

if you want to live your life fully as a sentient sensible adult human being and if you think the government is able to protect you

from reality even if it wanted to, realities like there are many chemical compounds and plants that change people's behavior in ways that may be dangerous,

then you have been duped into helping them very actively not help you.

 

As we well know from the Iran-Contra scandal in the United States in the 1980's, an illegal drug market

is a great way for rogue actors in government and military to get funding they need to run wars and other projects

without approval, public knowledge and oversight. So in our weak efforts, efforts that seem these days to have completely failed, to have representative

and transparent government that genuinely serves their people throughout the world, drug prohibitions add even more problems to the human problems with running sovereign nations that treat its citizenry with due respect and are corrosive towards those ends of an accountable

government which acts with purpose that is clear to all making for a life that without intervention and stupid nannying

is actually genuinely safer and better for everyone.

 

People wax all snarky-barky on the forum whenever the cannabis legalization in Thailand topic comes up, "Oh, they just wanna

make a bunch of money!" The same can be said for illegalization, just that who makes the money will be different.

If its illegal then who makes the money changes hands those in government and business who are positioned to profit from illegal sales will benefit.

 

making weed illegal is not to save the children and adults of Thailand, if they were interested in that, other more key things would be prioritized

such as banning toxic chemicals, chemicals banned all over the world no less,

but used ubiquitously in food, agriculture. Or working to effectively ensure people have clean air and water.

Or how about protecting people from predatory doctors and pharmacies with malpractice laws.

Or how about instilling in people good basic health and safety awareness, or tryin gto create a system

that does not run on corruption so that laws protecting people from harmful pollutants, food and medication

will be enforced and Thailand can honestly test foods and drugs for harm creating capabilities. Theres plenty

of dangerous chemical compounds galore everytime you step into a shop or market or supermarket. Really, cannabis

and alcohol are scapegoats, even though of course one must be judicious in their use. But that goes without saying

for anything.

 

The health of Thai people is very poor, among the worst in Asia. Anywhere you go in Thailand you are exposed to life shortening levels

of agricultural poisons, a witches brew of compounds in the air from burning refuse and exposed in the cities to clouds of

auto-motive exhausts from easily solvable traffic problems. But there is no will to solve these problems because Thailand like many

countries is hopelessly corrupt and because of that the mentality is theres no immediate gain or opportunity to be gained from

solving those problems. Apparently there is somethingto be had from this cannabis legalization re-criminalization game or it would ne all shrugged off.

 

In addition to providing bad actors with illegal markets and their attendant inflated prices,

With drug prohibitions in place, drugs can be used as a way for government and law enforcement to

falsely imprison, fine and smear who ever they like.

We all know in urban areas everywhere that the police can and do plant drugs

on people who have broken no laws whenever they want to target someone to be taken down or merely fined.

Someone's occasional use of a recreational substance can be a way of completely removing

them from their well earned and capable positions. So, OK go ahead, re-criminalize cannabis

and hand law enforcement another tool to abuse their positions for their own gain and society's loss.

 

And then there's workplace and law enforcement drug testing that prohibition gives you.

And apart from the obviosu it has the unfortunate effect of having normalized the situation whereby

people forefeit their right human right to privacy and bodily autonomy and now your boss or the government or the police can

then have some not insignificant control over your neurochemistry, its not just the big bad

government or law enforcement standing between you and your brain, its your buddy you work with and say good morning to everyday.

Prohibition via drug testing then sets up these subtly corrosive and insidious relationships

like a cancer within the society. People like to recall the old communist regimes where

social empowerment and cohesion was shattered, even down down to the family level

by snitch networks. To me it seems the drug test is another species of this found in the post communist

uni-polar world soon to become multi again.

 

The drug test is also a routine way that law enforcement can arbitrarily extract fines whenever they like and detain who they like.

We are conditioned by the high-techness and scientific glamor of it to carry on in the media and to each other and ourselves

as though testing were actually a legitimate means to control the problem of drug use. Its a gizmo, wow! It must be the answer

to the problem of determining whose on drugs and who isn't. It clearly is not, its very well known drug tests

do not have high enough levels of accuracy and people who do not use drugs can be subject to life ruining

consequences should a law enforcement operative run a money saving or god forbid counterfeit and completely

arbitrary drug test and get a false result.

 

But we now mostly accept drug testing and naively think, and you deny the flakiness of drug tests and assure yorurself well I don't use drugs I have nothing to fear and this will help create a safe world and put the druggies in jail and rehab where they belong and all will be well. Just because you have a piece of technology doesn't mean you have anything legit. It could be anything and you don;t know

how that test actually comes by its results, its all completely opaque to the average person and the agencies and the compaines that make these

tests can hide behind that. They don't even have to make legitmate tests, in most countries such as the United States that even have

supposed consumer standards checks, the outfits are wholly corrupted. Why bother with selling a real test. Just pay some

person with a science degree 2 thousand dollars and presto you have a test that without fail and in 15 minutes tells you whether someone has taken an

illegal drug. Or consider how far you are going to get in Thailand investigating and challenging  whether even a fake test was conducted, all the police have to do

is say, "This is a drug test...and the drug test says you took an illegal drug...you'll have to give up your green papaya shaver manufacturing enterprise to us

because you'll be in for quite awhile." Just ask Americans about that kin dof thing, how now the government routinely seizes all of your assets

and has railroaded many innocent people, ruined them and never returned what was wrongfully seized from them because of a drug charge. there som ehorrific ironies afloat such as in one case traces of cocaine were found on crisp bank notes foun din a safe of one successful balck american business man and his defense attornies presented studies that found that because there is so much illegal drug running done by unmonitored military and government organizations in the United States, there is enough cocaine on every US dollar to incriminate and seize the assets of anyone they choose. So yeah, great, run a drug war and prohibition Thailand.

 

The story of this man who was run in and had yachts and homes and his business empire and assets seized because of a drug test is to be found in the  highly recommended two volume memoirs, Volume 1-Phikal and Volume 2-Tikal of the discoverer of the benefits of MDMA,

and inventor of hundreds of psychoactive compunds the experimental neuro-pharmacologist Alexander Shulgin. Shulgin himself was an eminently thoughtful and articulate and humane advocate for human freedom and potential. He experimented on himself and his friends and chronicalled in voluninous detailed the findings of the beneficial effects of compounds he created at his home laboratory funded by royalties he'd gained earlier in his career working for Dole Pineapple and his salary as a professor and public speaker at UC Berkeley in California. His interest was in psychoactive compounds long before they were in the public eye and concern, and so he got out of working as a chemist in big agriculture as soon as he could. But despite being among the very few given license to investigate and create psychoactive chemicals  by the US government, the DEA decided eventually to go in and tear his lab apart and end his activities by prosecuting him to destroy his work and even ban his book which detailed to the public the effects and methods to synthesize just about anything he found or made himself. The power of a mandate of a drug prohibition gave the DEA, the agency charged with fighting the drug war against the whole world  the overeach to go in and bust up the research. The library of Alexander (Shulgin) has been burned to the ground and decades have now passed in which the befits and nature of the human mind may forever remain obscured.

 

And then there is the way that  drug testing  has opened pandora's box to use flakey technologies  to be able to

predict or even read a person's mind for pre-crime and of course as we know there is much discussion

by governments and law enforcement authorities about how

a pre-crime or a test result saying you were about to commit a crime will be tantamount in the future to

having actually done the crime. To me it would seem that drug testing is a similar operation. Your crime of

having been inebriated and thus a danger to yourself and others is not otherwise apparent. So you have to

take the drug test which in effect says, you are a danger before the fact, its a type of pre-crime indicator in many cases.

 

And also, not to mention, that drug testing, like background checks and monitoring employee

internet activities is used as a shabby substitute for   critical thinking and

evaluative skills, and distracts probably all

companies to some degree from spending time and resources and getting actually competent management

who are foscused on actually able to evaluate employee work and performance and actual behavior on the job.

The society that is on drugs and "on" prohibition, as prohibition is just as capable of creating a deluded nation as a drugs are 

hallucinates as it runs the drug test, the surreptitious background check, the application gathered  look at

an employee's comments and other activities  on internet.

The normalization of superfluous and glamorous high tech tools with limited benefit especially in places

like Thailand where critical and evaluative skills are under developed no doubt lowers the quality of life for everyone.

Indeed ruling institutions and individuals do not want people to have the ability to evaluate performance and behavior

lest their managerial class begin to turn those well honed workplace skills against them. So, you give them the drug that is

drug tests and multi-choice personality investigation quizzes and monitor their twitter posts in lieu. its also no doubt a lot more fun

and inspiring for managers to get to play god and say lets see if Nigel was smoking dope on the weekend and ask him to submit a drug test

rather than going through the monotony of actually looking at what he is doing and having to weigh many considerations

as to whether he's helping the company or organization or govt branch that pays him. You can just save all that headache and hours of boredom

by doing a simple and fun drug test with lots of cool bells and whistles and colors and charts and then be able to proclaim with complete conviction,  "Ah ha! He uses drugs! And he talks a load of crap that i don't appreciate on facebook! I knew he was on drugs! He's out of here! I don't care that he is the star developer!"

 

How much does it matter if your star developer tests positive for cocaine and marijuana, especially if you never ran

a test you'd never have known. Just the act of running a test for drugs is an admission that there is no obvious problem

with your employee's performance in the first place.

 

So thanks to drug prohibition its now acceptable for management to go through the

motions of monitoring the effectiveness of their employees, its essentially a ritual substituting for

real discernment: is the employee an asset in his actual behavior and real contributions. I have never

worked under any Thai manager, and I have worked under many, who could evaluate the quality of anyone's

work or understand the value or liability to the work environment of employees in their charge. They look at

anything but, they understand almost everything but is this work he's doing good or not.
 

Yet the discussion here on the threads and in media and by the government ignores the dire price to be

paid by society as a whole for a drug war or prohibition. They seem blithely unaware despite the precedent

despite the semi-detente in the west regarding recreational cannabis.

 

The end of alcohol prohibition in the United States left us with that conclusion, that was nearly a century ago

yet as soon as alcohol prohibition ended JD Anslinger picked up the reigns and fired the fuel of hysteria against cannabis.

But as that all begin sto end Thailand not only makes a false move to undo it but it decides to say no actually screw all that.

It really seems to doubly affirm their commitment to harming their population to using prohibition for political gain and enriching themselves

and their overlords.

 

 

 

Jeez. ChatGBT has been busy!!

[jvs]

3 hours ago, Bobthegimp said:

 

I don't care what you or anyone else puts into their body. Fill your boots. 

 

If an addict tries to steal my property to support that habit there will be unpleasant consequences.  That's where my personal line is drawn.  Experience has taught me that drug addicts don't file assault complaints, so feel free to deal with them as you see fit without the fear of legal ramifications. 

 

What worries me is that you lot will start your pro doper s h it over here like you did back home and bring down the wrath of the Thai populace on us non dopers who live here in peace and wish to continue doing so.  

Well that is a lot of bs!

When was the last time you encountered a Cannabis Addict that went around stealing to support his habit?

I have never even heard of it!

If you have never used Cannabis your opinion does not even count imo.

What worries me that you lot will start preaching your anti doper <deleted> over here like you did back home(USA?)

I am well above 60 years old  and i use Cannabis on a regular basis and guess what?

I consider myself to be a very rational person.

Do you use alcohol?If you do does that make you an alcoholic?

Better stop here.

[jvs]

18 minutes ago, Trippy said:

Weed makes people happy and relaxed, some on here don't like that.

I think your comment makes a lot of sense.

Thanks.

[Walker88]

I can appreciate the opinions on both sides. Shopowners were kind of hoodwinked into jumping into the business, despite the admonitions against 'recreational use'. Of course the explosion of shops never made sense to me...I assume the owners got high rather than doing a proper business plan.

 

I can also see the new government's position that it's kind of an embarrassing view, as the shops are anything but subtle. Many sprung up in a major tourists and entertainment area (Soi 4 to Asoke)....I counted 25 shops in that stretch or just off Sukhumvit, and most champion the whole "pothead" motif. Turbocharged Cheech and Chong might not be the image Thailand wants. (It may not want the agogo image either, but at least in Bangkok those venues are fairly restricted to certain parts of town, while weed shops are everywhere.)

 

From a business perspective, I cannot imagine many---maybe any---of the shops are turning a profit. They are mostly in prime (aka expensive) locations, and a lot of money was spent renovating former Family Marts/Lawson 108s/etc. to try to differentiate themselves from the weed shop next door....and next door...and next door...and across the street. I don't know the margin on the product itself, but I do have a pretty good idea of the costs for rent, electricity, staff, etc., so unless weed margins are massive---which is highly unlikely given the saturation of the market---I really doubt many owners are happy they jumped in.

 

Personally---something that matters little to anyone else---I'm not fond of altered states of consciousness, no matter its source. I do enjoy a cold beer or a glass or two of wine with dinner, but that's because of the taste, not the effect. If I begin to feel the slightest buzz, I switch to water. Booze can be just for flavor, though I accept many or most people chase a buzz. With weed, the sole recreational point is a buzz. Others can make that choice; I choose not to have a buzz, as I find life interesting and exciting enough without it.

 

I also find both drunks and potheads to be unbelievably boring. Most think every erratic or stray thought entering their noggins, while under the influence, is as profound as a cosmic revelation, when in fact it's banal if not downright stupid. Among their fellow drunks and potheads maybe it's "Wow!", but for those whose state is not altered, it's just irritating and dull. If weed has a leg up on booze, it's that a pothead is less likely to go looking for a fight.

 

As for the benefits another poster listed earlier (e.g., blood pressure, inflammation, anxiety, cancer), one can get the same benefits from, of all things, an industrial dye: methylene blue, albeit with zero negative side effects and no altered consciousness.

[Bagwain]

11 hours ago, Moonfire said:

Well, don't cherry-pick.....and be a hypocrite.... all of nothing LOL 

 

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Maybe some strange injection that is an experiment may kill a few million as well and already has? But believe the science of safe and effective? Bahahahaha Next booster please. 

[BritManToo]

4 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

From a business perspective, I cannot imagine many---maybe any---of the shops are turning a profit. They are mostly in prime (aka expensive) locations, and a lot of money was spent renovating former Family Marts/Lawson 108s/etc. to try to differentiate themselves from the weed shop next door....and next door...and next door...and across the street. I don't know the margin on the product itself, but I do have a pretty good idea of the costs for rent, electricity, staff, etc., so unless weed margins are massive---which is highly unlikely given the saturation of the market---I really doubt many owners are happy they jumped in.

Assume many are fronts for money laundering.

[Walker88]

2 hours ago, Cabradelmar said:

so many scared old men fearing ganja is the end of humanity... LOL... yet if you are not smoking weed, you are probably a tobacco smoking, out of shape, booze hound with a poor diet and far too many subscription medications #classic 

Maybe I'm not old, but I don't think weed is the end of the world (though I have zero interest in using it), I don't smoke tobacco, I'm in top shape, I'm no booze hound, my diet is great, and I've never had a prescription.

 

Best not to generalize.

[Walker88]

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Assume many are fronts for money laundering.

That is another national pastime.

[Dodgy Member]

This is typical of marijuana threads. They start out with a news headline and quickly degenerate into the pro or con bickering.  Nobody on this thread has a voice in Thai Parliament anyways, yet here we are on page 6.  Has anyone been swayed from their previously held views?  

 

Most of my friends at home use marijuana and are upstanding citizens and what we would consider 'pillars of their community".  Every crack, heroin, fentanyl, cocaine and meth addict I've known also smokes marijuana on a daily basis. 

 

Is it reasonable to bludgeon the good for the sins of the bad ones?  I think not. Just as most of us can enjoy a drink or ten without bothering anyone, so too can most people smoke or ingest edibles without bothering those around them.  This is where the marks should be set, not at the periphery. 

[candide]

30 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

What a joke! 

 

Different people may react differently, but mixing weed and (a significant amount of) alcohol tends to make sick.

The other aspect is that when one is high from weed, there is no particular need to drink in order to feel happy.

[Denim]

8 minutes ago, candide said:

Different people may react differently, but mixing weed and (a significant amount of) alcohol tends to make sick.

The other aspect is that when one is high from weed, there is no particular need to drink in order to feel happy.

 

Golden rule. Smoke before you drink not after.

[bobbin]

4 hours ago, Bobthegimp said:

 

I don't care what you or anyone else puts into their body. Fill your boots. 

 

If an addict tries to steal my property to support that habit there will be unpleasant consequences.  That's where my personal line is drawn.  Experience has taught me that drug addicts don't file assault complaints, so feel free to deal with them as you see fit without the fear of legal ramifications. 

 

What worries me is that you lot will start your pro doper s h it over here like you did back home and bring down the wrath of the Thai populace on us non dopers who live here in peace and wish to continue doing so.  

"What worries me is that you lot will start your pro doper s h it over here like you did back home and bring down the wrath of the Thai populace on us non dopers who live here in peace and wish to continue doing so. "

 

Well.. if that's your Big Worry, I feel pretty confident in telling you to relax...

[sungod]

1 hour ago, Trippy said:

Weed makes people happy and relaxed, some on here don't like that.

yep, many on here need their daily moan/dose of negativity on things that have no bearing on their lives to help them get through the day. Only happy when they're moaning about something.

[candide]

21 minutes ago, Denim said:

 

Golden rule. Smoke before you drink not after.

Agree.

Alternatively: smoke a second joint later instead of drinking! 😁