Controversy erupts as Thai doctors clash over mRNA vaccine effect

[connda]

5 minutes ago, ChrisParis75 said:

"In a peer-reviewed pre-proof accepted for publication in the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, researchers presented two cases that demonstrate, for the first time, the ability of COVID-19 vaccines to penetrate the fetal-placental barrier and reach the inside of the uterus. Additionally, researchers detected spike protein in placental tissue, indicating the bioactivity of the mRNA in reaching the placenta."

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002937824000632

 

No link whatsoever of course with the steep decline of births observed in many countries in 2021, 2022 and 2023...

 

And remember that they told  us in 2021 that the "vaccines" STAYED in the location of the injections...

 

It's funny how "science" can evolve... in just a few years...

 

Enjoy your products "safe and effective".

Come on.  All so-called 'scientific research' that doesn't support Pfizer's, Moderna's, the CDC, and the US FDA's own research are all charlatans and liars.  All research not funded and supported by "the experts" at Pfizer, Moderna, CDC, and FDA (and the NIH biolabs) are all flawed and should be ignored and the scientists fired from their jobs and their licenses and tenure revoked.  It's all conspiracy theory.  Don't fall for it.  Just your mRNA shots.

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, Bday Prang said:

               The whole charade has been lie after lie.  from the very start.regarding =:  Its origin ? Who was responsible? The death rate, (especially the projected numbers) ?    The computer modelling?  The effectiveness of lockdowns?  The ever increasing infectiousness?    Then add in the involvement of "big Pharma",     a good dosing of corruption ,   the breathtaking amount of money available for the taking , and the darker side of human nature.    Then finally top it off with a healthy dose of governmental incompetence, a bit more corruption,  political point scoring,  opportunities for  experimental social engineering,  and then finally add the ever present mainstream media who never let the truth get in the way of a good story

                 Those questioning anything are behaving perfectly rationally, who wouldn't have concerns, bearing in mind any of the above?  The asking of questions and seeking answers and or  the truth,  are fundamental aspects of human nature, "instinctive" for want of a better word and an essential part of our evolution and development

                 Those turning on them often quite viciously hurling insults are not, there is little to be gained, by simply accepting everything we are told, especially by incompetent governments and those with vested interests    but they are however  a shining example  of the effectiveness of propaganda  and how through the skillful use of fear , people can not only be persuaded to believe anything that inspires hope and makes them feel safe.  but they can also be motivated to do the authorities work for them by attacking anybody who spoils their comforting illusion by  disagreeing or simply just questioning

                   Its quite telling that those questioning things on here are doing simply that, But without exception   Its those clinging to the narrative that are behaving aggressively

 

 

 

Two countries had strong lock downs and travel restrictions. Australia and Thailand and those countries probably did better than any others.

 

Your misinformation is BS.

[jayboy]

16 hours ago, proton said:

 

Campbell is a nurse not a medical Dr, his opinion is no better than anyone else's

 

Read his Wikipedia page.It's quite an eye opener.

[Ben Zioner]

30 minutes ago, ChrisParis75 said:

"In a peer-reviewed pre-proof accepted for publication in the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, researchers presented two cases that demonstrate, for the first time, the ability of COVID-19 vaccines to penetrate the fetal-placental barrier and reach the inside of the uterus. Additionally, researchers detected spike protein in placental tissue, indicating the bioactivity of the mRNA in reaching the placenta."

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002937824000632

 

No link whatsoever of course with the steep decline of births observed in many countries in 2021, 2022 and 2023...

 

And remember that they told  us in 2021 that the "vaccines" STAYED in the location of the injections...

 

It's funny how "science" can evolve... in just a few years...

 

Enjoy your products "safe and effective".

But I like that part of the conclusion, I'm gonna panic.

 

"The evidence overwhelmingly supports the COVID-19 vaccine's effectiveness in mitigating the morbidity and mortality related to the COVID-19 disease in pregnant and non-pregnant individuals. The widespread acceptance and proven safety of mRNA vaccines during the COVID 19 pandemic have opened doors for other mRNA therapies. While gene therapy, particularly mRNA-based treatments, shows promise, research on its perinatal delivery is still emerging. Prenatal therapy can be advantageous, as it offers early disease intervention and reduced immunogenicity. In experiments with pregnant rats, LNPs successfully delivered various mRNAs, including one potentially useful for treating fetal anemia. Although introducing mRNA to the foetus may pose potentially plausible risks, it may also have biologically plausible benefits. The potential of mRNA-based interventions in addressing maternal and fetal health issues is profound. Such Journal Pre-proof insights could substantially advance the crafting of safer and more effective mRNA-based therapies during pregnancy."

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, Ben Zioner said:

IMHO  topics like this one should be vetted by a qualified moderator.

not big on free speech ?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Bday Prang said:

not big on free speech ?

 

Not on politically motivated lies.

[john donson]

18 hours ago, pomchop said:

you mean the maga morons who drank bleach and stuck a light up their butts or the excess deaths caused by people refusing the vaccines?

 

hahaha, no dude

 

all vaxxed people

 

pathologists are trying to report this but blocked by the upper echelon, as usual

 

keep living in the dark ages and believes cnn, nbc, ...

 

 

[john donson]

18 hours ago, proton said:

 

Campbell is a nurse not a medical Dr, his opinion is no better than anyone else's

 

not yours

 

what did you provide the last decades ?

 

he just want to inform something is going on, excess deaths

 

more than just from covid

 

he has pathologists and morticians trying to report this white rubbery cloth

 

that is unusual as normal cloths have a chicken fat appearance and texture that falls apart...

 

this new thing is like taking the form of the arteries (medical shape)

 

that could cause clots, heart and brain attacks due to lack of ....

[Dogmatix]

At least the MRNA vaccines apparently worked to some extent.  What are long term effects of Sino Vax and Sino Pharm which did nothing except line the pockets of certain Thai politicians and Thai Chinese owned businesses?

[charleskerins]

Well the Thai doctor did a poor job of verification.  The person in the photo is not a Doctor or a nurse, he's a retired/fired USAF Major .Go ahead and watch his videos .  He's got an agenda an agenda that he doesn't support with scientific rigor.When people in the comments section ask for data -no response. I find it interesting that this site published this absolute crap. Then we have all the comments from the peanut gallery summed up as follows   "See it's a government conspiracy to take your freedom  forcing the vaccine on us"

[charleskerins]

18 hours ago, smedly said:

excess deaths still need an explanation which has not been forthcoming 

Here's the explanation ignorant ,prone to conspiracy fools didn't take the vaccine and many died.

[Rimmer]

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[john donson]

44 minutes ago, charleskerins said:

Well the Thai doctor did a poor job of verification.  The person in the photo is not a Doctor or a nurse, he's a retired/fired USAF Major .Go ahead and watch his videos .  He's got an agenda an agenda that he doesn't support with scientific rigor.When people in the comments section ask for data -no response. I find it interesting that this site published this absolute crap. Then we have all the comments from the peanut gallery summed up as follows   "See it's a government conspiracy to take your freedom  forcing the vaccine on us"   FREEDOM!!!       $$$king morons

 

so there were no forced lockdowns (where was the science for that again) that led to the bankruptcy of many companies and more poverty ?  there were no forced vaccinations to a point that in the west people would lose their job if they did not go with the flow.... the vaccine was not created in a lab ?    the science was not on  8 mice for the booster ?

 

believing the science.. you still believe FDA does science or just agrees with big pharma that pays a big part of their budget and there is no revolving door between big pharma and FDA/CDC, where not people got a super paid job in big pharma after approving shots, boosters, more boosters ?    if only people know the history of fines in court paid by them, for fraud, fake science, false advertisement, etc...

 

when covid started to be a thing, I ordered a proven drug, that became a supplement, briefly taken of the market on request of FDA and back to supplement...

 

and that was   NAC, you know, to thin mucus IN THE LUNGS, when one get a cold or flu and used in emergency rooms in large doses for people who took too much tylenol, aka Acetaminophen Poisoning 

Edited February 22 by stats
misinfo claims removed

[dinsdale]

7 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Right back at you on this one. Follow the science, not YouTubbers.

What if the youtubers are following the science and governments aren't.

[traveller101]

Dr. Campbell's ( Doctor of Nursing) findings of "white clots" presence in living people i.e. blood clots found in arteries are not unusual and caused by many factors listed below.

People on the widely prescribed medication Heparin/Warfarin are at risk of HIT, a rare dangerous complication strongly associated with potential thrombotic coronary artery occlusion, which is also attributed to mRNA vaccines. In the case of the latter, the risk is anywhere from 10 - 50 per 1 Million

 

Underlying causes of "white clots" present in living people include:

High-fat diet, smoking, diabetes, hypertension, alcohol misuse, lack of excercise and more apart from mRNA vaccines.

 

 

[proton]

1 hour ago, john donson said:

 

not yours

 

what did you provide the last decades ?

 

he just want to inform something is going on, excess deaths

 

more than just from covid

 

he has pathologists and morticians trying to report this white rubbery cloth

 

that is unusual as normal cloths have a chicken fat appearance and texture that falls apart...

 

this new thing is like taking the form of the arteries (medical shape)

 

that could cause clots, heart and brain attacks due to lack of ....

 

Campbell is just a band waggon jumper for subs and likes, it became all about income for the grandpa nurse

[Scott Tracy]

18 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

indeed it is,  the original narrative was that the earth was flat, those who disagreed were indeed treated as conspiracy theorists by authoritarian organisations such as the church for example .  However as is usual due to research and the application of science, by those who refused to accept what they were being told , the truth eventually emerged..  A small minority still believe the original narrative.the rest have woken up

It was known that the world was not flat at the time of the Roman Empire, the ancient Greeks knew it wasn't flat too. What's the 'original' narrative and where did that come from?

[dinsdale]

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

There were a large number of excess deaths from Covid in 2021. Most of these excess deaths were among the unvaccinated.

 

Your the one who always calls for citations so where's one for this. As for excess deaths, deaths attributed to covid are of both vaccinated and unvaccinated. The concern is the excess deaths over and above those attributed to covid.

[Scott Tracy]

In October 2023, the BBC Radio 4 programme More or Less debunked a video that Campbell had made in September 2023 in which he wrongly claimed that excess deaths were higher among those who had had a COVID-19 vaccine than those who had not; the figures he used in fact showed the opposite.^[32] Campbell took down his video after being contacted by the programme, telling them that he was not a statistician.^[32]

 

^{do your own research.... This from Wikipedia, look it up. This guy's credibility is suspect at best.}

[johng]

3 minutes ago, charleskerins said:

Nationally it's nearly 319,000, according a new estimate."

Again with the "estimates"   there is no way to prove that those "unvaccinated"  would have lived if they had been.

There are plenty vaccinated who still die from or with "the virus".

not even getting into how vaccinated vs unvaccinated are counted/recorded.

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[johng]

11 minutes ago, Scott Tracy said:

do your own research.... This from Wikipedia, look it up. This guy's credibility is suspect at best.

Do your own research ?

isnt that just for tin foilists ?

I think you'll find John  Campbell can't edit "his" own Wikipedia page !

to defend against alegations against him.

[Scott Tracy]

1 minute ago, johng said:

I think you'll find John  Campbell can't edit "his" own Wikipedia page !

to defend against alegations against him.

You think? You think....? 

[pomchop]

Gotta love the "experts" on here that somehow know more than thousands of doctors and scientists who have and continue to study a variety of diseases, viruses, vaccinations, for decades.....let me think...would i prefer to believe some half wit on a forum with no or minimal medical training or some highly educated experts many of whom actually worked in covid era hospitals and  who publish their findings with detailed data that is peer reviewed and examined in detail by even more experts? 

 

 

[johng]

3 minutes ago, Scott Tracy said:

You think? You think....? 

I think I do think don't you think ?

[JBChiangRai]

There are 2 facts here.

 

There are excess deaths & white, rubbery, fibrous, amyloid plaque like deposits are being found in the living, cadavers and in some cases they are the cause of death.

Excess deaths in 2022 among worst in 50 years - BBC News

COVID-19: Amyloids could explain blood clots, neurological symptoms (medicalnewstoday.com)

 

The mistake the doctor who posted about them made was linking them to mRNA vaccines.

 

The mistake the doctor who denies they were unusual made was mistaking them for something non-fibrous and non-amyloid plaque like.

 

Sedimentary deposits after death are not going to be fibrous and amyloid plaque like, there is no blood flow to grow the fibrous, amyloid plaque like white something and it's far too large to be deposited without the circulatory system running.

 

There is a temporal link to SARS-Cov-2, but lots of research needs to be done before you can say it's linked to mRNA vaccine or anything else.

 

Jumping the gun and saying it's linked to mRNA vaccines is just going to get the medical professionals backs up and put them in defensive mode, like the Chula doctor here.

 

Dr. John Campbell is correct, this is a recent phenomenon and we need to get to the bottom of it.

 

Edited February 22 by JBChiangRai
Spellong

[johng]

4 minutes ago, pomchop said:

Gotta love the "experts" on here that somehow know more than thousands of doctors and scientists

There are other doctors and experts

raising alarm bells...experts can be wrong,  everyone should continuously question "the experts"

scientific opinion, without critical questioning it's just religion.

[PremiumLane]

20 hours ago, smedly said:

excess deaths still need an explanation which has not been forthcoming 

 

They have, it was called Covid, now please do show the evidence that it was vaccines.... 

[PremiumLane]

Anyone who uses "Dr" John Cambbell as a source, should just be laughed at.  The dude is a moron. Check our Debunk the Funk and Dr. Susan Oliver for the debunking of Cambell's moronic takes on vaccines and Covid. 

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

There are 2 facts here.

 

There are excess deaths & white, rubbery, fibrous, amyloid plaque like deposits are being found in the living, cadavers and in some cases they are the cause of death.

Excess deaths in 2022 among worst in 50 years - BBC News

COVID-19: Amyloids could explain blood clots, neurological symptoms (medicalnewstoday.com)

 

The mistake the doctor who posted about them made was linking them to mRNA vaccines.

 

The mistake the doctor who denies they were unusual made was mistaking them for something non-fibrous and non-amyloid plaque like.

 

Sedimentary deposits after death are not going to fibrous and amyloid plaque like, there is no blood flow to grow the fibrous, plaque like white something and it's far too large to be deposited without the circulatory system running.

 

There is a temporal link to SARS-Cov-2, but lots of research needs to be done before you can say it's linked to mRNA vaccine or anything else.

 

Jumping the gun and saying it's linked to mRNA vaccines is just going to get the medical professionals backs up and put them in defensive mode, like the Chula doctor here.

 

Dr. John Campbell is correct, this is a recent phenomenon and we need to get to the bottom of it.

 

I agree except for the medical professional part. This will be true of those following the narrative but not of all medical professionals. It will also get all those protecting the narrative through things like censorship, defunding, threats against employment and of course those who blindly follow and accept said narrative reacting against any challenge. These clots are new and need serious investigation as to their cause as does the cause of excess deaths over and above that of excess deaths attributed to Cov19.