No charging option in condo - Need advice

[Dewey]

43 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Hydrogen-fuelled cars are the real future so ask them to provide an H2 supply while they're installing old-fashioned EV charging points!

Agreed, but until they find a more efficient way of making hydrogen and supplying it it to the population you'll have to use petrol or EV cars for many years 🙂

[quake]

24 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Do you know  if there are others driving hybrids or BEV owners at the complex.  Also is the parking area 'open' to public or guarded.

 

Elexa will install charging station at vendors, condos.  If 'open' parking, then anyone could use, would be a plus, and no cost the the condo owners themselves.  We've stopped at coffee shops that have Elexa charging cables while O&A.

 

That's nice for free.

But a condo building owners/managers are always looking for ways to skim money off the unit owners,  and they would sure come up with some new fees, for the privilege of using this charging service,  and put that cost on the annual condo fee for all unit owners.

Very few things are truly free in Thailand and this won't be one.

 

 

Edited February 26 by quake

[Dewey]

42 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

He did but chose not to care reckoning that AN could sort it out for him!

Yeah that's exactly what I'm asking, good troll 🙂

[ballpoint]

When I drive my petrol powered car to my condo, I do not expect them to have a petrol pump in the carpark for my use.  I ensure that I have at least enough fuel in the tank to be able to get to one when I leave the building.  It's a policy I'd also use if I owned an electric car.

[VocalNeal]

1 hour ago, Dewey said:

and multiple owners raised the question about electric chargers (including me) during annual co-owner meeting last year.

 

Was there a group who wanted a gasoline pump on the property? Why should there be a charging station?

[Liverpool Lou]

8 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"No charging option in condo - Need advice"

 

Don't buy another vehicle that needs a charger.

 

It doesn't need a charger. It cahn use one, it doesn't need one. It's a hybrid.

Yes, I can read, and I know what a hybrid is.  It's the OP needing a charging point for his hybrid, per his OP,  so tell him that, not me!

[KhunLA]

5 minutes ago, quake said:

 

That's nice for free.

But a condo building owners/managers are always looking for ways to skim money off the unit owners. and they would sure come up with some new fee for the privilege of using this charging service and put that cost on the annual condo fee.

Very few things are truly free in Thailand.

 

 

No idea how the partnerships work, if so, share install cost & profits, as charge 7-8 baht a kWh, while themselves paying less.

[SAFETY FIRST]

1 hour ago, Dewey said:

No charging option in condo 

If I lived in a condo I would never buy an EV or expect to charge my vehicle from a communal electric outlet. 

 

In my children's condo I see a few old Chinese woman riding these little electric bicycle/scooter things, they use the communal electricity daily. 

I brought it to the Juristic management attention that they can catch on fire etc but they don't seem to be concerned. 

 

Edited February 26 by SAFETY FIRST

[Dewey]

3 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

 

Was there a group who wanted a gasoline pump on the property? Why should there be a charging station?

If you guys start to compare gasoline pump and EV charging then you really don't understand the topic.

Anyway, I knew from the start that such topic would be full of trolls but I though you guys had better things to do on a Monday morning.

 

 

[quake]

1 minute ago, Dewey said:

If you guys start to compare gasoline pump and EV charging then you really don't understand the topic.

Anyway, I knew from the start that such topic would be full of trolls but I though you guys had better things to do on a Monday morning.

 

 

You start a thread and then call people trolls, when you don't like the answers you get.

You Big Girls Blouse. 

 

[JBChiangRai]

You can charge at thousands of other places, but you are absolutely right to pressure the management committee.  EV charging is not going to go away and they are going to get increasing pressure from other EV owners.

 

I expect the government to legislate at some point.

 

As someone else pointed out, put forward a solution that makes money for the condo or offer to pay to install your own with RFID card access and charge others to use it.

 

Incidentally, Hydrogen is not the answer, you can fuel 5 battery EV’s for the energy you put in one Hydrogen car. Who wants to pay 5 times more per kilometer? Not me!

[quake]

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

No idea how the partnerships work, if so, share install cost & profits, as charge 7-8 baht a kWh, while themselves paying less.

 

The skimmers won't want that.

and many owners won't want EV charging on site,  as they don't have any car

in the first place.

Once more EV owners thinking they are the only people on the planet.

Yawn.

 

 

 

[Dewey]

Just now, quake said:

 

You start a thread and then call people trolls, when you don't like the answers you get.

You Big Girls Blouse. 

 

Once again, you don't understand and don't want to understand the topic. I don't care about troll or captain obvious, some are funny.

 

Anyway, I got what I wanted, their attention. Surprisingly they contacted 2 EV charging company to come and assess the possibility of installing charger in our condo next week.

[Dewey]

2 minutes ago, quake said:

 

The skimmers won't want that.

and many owners won't want EV charging on site,  as they don't have any car

in the first place.

Once more EV owners thinking they are the only people on the planet.

Yawn.

 

 

 

 

Let me guess, you are one of those people who think global warming is a myth ?

 

And why would people without car care about having EV chargers in their condo if they don't have to pay a penny for it ?

[JBChiangRai]

4 minutes ago, quake said:

 

Once more EV owners thinking they are the only people on the planet.

Yawn.

 

 

 

 

EV owners are the future

 

You're a fossil using fossil fuel

[Dewey]

6 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I expect the government to legislate at some point.

 

Yeah, that was this information I was really looking for here. Anybody knows if the government plan a law regarding EV ?

Because, if it goes as fast as weed legislation, it can come very quick.

[quake]

4 minutes ago, Dewey said:

 

Let me guess, you are one of those people who think global warming is a myth ?

 

And why would people without car care about having EV chargers in their condo if they don't have to pay a penny for it ?

 

You don't get it.

Nothing is free in Thailand. 

Even if your dumb enough to believe that, I did try to explain what will happen in a condo building with regards to free installation.

but that's above your head.

 

Global warming, cheap shot, you child.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

I own a condominium and I am happy that there are no EV charging stations in our building. 

That will help to prevent fires in the building.

I also suggested to the committee that nobody should be allowed to take any small EVs like scooters up to the residential area. The risk of fire is just too high.

 

 

 

 

 

[quake]

12 minutes ago, Dewey said:

Once again, you don't understand and don't want to understand the topic. I don't care about troll or captain obvious, some are funny.

 

Anyway, I got what I wanted, their attention. Surprisingly they contacted 2 EV charging company to come and assess the possibility of installing charger in our condo next week.

 

Get ready for some increase in annual fees and much disappointment.

Good luck. 

 

 

 

 

[quake]

12 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

EV owners are the future

 

You're a fossil using fossil fuel

 

Maybe but not in condos.

I'm not against Ev's, just some of there dumb entitled owners. 

Good day. 

 

 

Edited February 26 by quake

[JBChiangRai]

12 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I own a condominium and I am happy that there are no EV charging stations in our building. 

That will help to prevent fires in the building.

I also suggested to the committee that nobody should be allowed to take any small EVs like scooters up to the residential area. The risk of fire is just too high.

 

 

 

 

 

You are aware ICE vehicles are between 10 and 140 times more likely to catch fire than EV’s?

[bbko]

OP are there condos in your area that have charging stations on their property? If yes, ask them how they went about installing it, fees, customer satisfaction, etc.

 

Or ask if you can buy and install your own personal charger, maybe you can ask the companies that install chargers if they know of ways to get the condo to get one.

 

https://www.evmall.co.th/

Edited February 26 by bbko

[Dewey]

1 minute ago, quake said:

 

You don't get it.

Nothing is free in Thailand. 

Even if your dumb enough to believe that, I did try to explain what will happen in a condo building with regards to free installation.

but that's above your head.

 

Global warming, cheap shot, you child.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You started it buddy. Anyway, once again you are wrong.

 

Nothing is free in Thailand, if you are talking about companionship, you are probably right 🙂

However, let's take solar panels example, the company I worked for just signed a contract to install solar panel on our 9000SQM roof.

Cost of the installation: 0THB

Cost of the maintenance and replacement of deflective panels: 0THB

 

How do they money ? Well they sell us the KW that they produce with the panels at a cheaper rate than the country grid and they still make money, we save money, everybody win.

Don't you think they do the same with chargers ? They install for free and then they invoice you according to what you consume (obviously more expensive than if it was on your common electrical outlet but it's totally normal, nobody works for free).

 

So since you are an expert, please explain me in deep detail how doing a partnership with a EV charging company would be bad for the condo ?

[soi3eddie]

2 hours ago, Henryford said:

My condo has banned EV parking/charging. Too dangerous for other cars and the condo when it bursts into flames.

 

Our Condo AGM addressed this last year. Thankfully sense prevailed and EV charging was banned too. Too much risk if and EV car burst into flames and took out all the other cars, and quite likely, destroying the whole building too. Anyone see the fire at Luton Airport parking structure last year? 

 

 

[Dewey]

23 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I own a condominium and I am happy that there are no EV charging stations in our building. 

That will help to prevent fires in the building.

I also suggested to the committee that nobody should be allowed to take any small EVs like scooters up to the residential area. The risk of fire is just too high.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Totally agree on all that Chinese low quality equipment (kid scooters, hoverboard and other toys).

However, regarding the car industry, is there any statistics about EV car burning in Thailand ?

 

[soi3eddie]

16 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

You are aware ICE vehicles are between 10 and 140 times more likely to catch fire than EV’s?

 

It's not so much about the liklihood of the vehicle catching fire. It is more about the fact that extinguishing an EV fire is extremely difficult. Therefore, more chance of spreading to other vehicles and creating an unstoppable inferno. Open air charging for EVs is fine, just not to be done in a confined parking lot under a condominium building full of people.

  

EV fires difficult to extinguish

The major issue, though, is that once it is alight, an EV fire is far harder to put out than an ice fire.

This is because the lithium-ion battery burns in a different manner to fuel, and firefighters must respond to it in a different fashion to an ice fire. There is also the risk of toxic vapour clouds, sparks and highly directional jets of flame from an EV fire.

Further, it requires much more water to put an EV fire out in the first place, and there is the increased risk that the fire could possibly reignite hours, days or even weeks after the initial blaze due to the energy stored within.

Firefighters across the world are even experimenting with completely submerging in water any EVs that have been on fire, to mitigate the potential aftermath risks. Source.

 

 

[JBChiangRai]

12 minutes ago, soi3eddie said:

 

Our Condo AGM addressed this last year. Thankfully sense prevailed and EV charging was banned too. Too much risk if and EV car burst into flames and took out all the other cars, and quite likely, destroying the whole building too. Anyone see the fire at Luton Airport parking structure last year? 

 

 

 

Would that be the fire started by a diesel range rover?

 

It is thought the fire started with a diesel-powered vehicle "and then that fire has quickly and rapidly spread", said Andrew Hopkinson, Bedfordshire's chief fire officer.

 

What caused the Luton Airport fire and what happens next? - BBC News

[VocalNeal]

1 hour ago, Dewey said:

If you guys start to compare gasoline pump and EV charging then you really don't understand the topic.

 

Sure we do. It is about smug, entitled people wanting others to pay for their personal infrastructure.

 

If you want a charging station, buy one and install at your own expense. That is what you would have to do if you owned a house. 

[quake]

38 minutes ago, Dewey said:

You started it buddy. Anyway, once again you are wrong.

 

Nothing is free in Thailand, if you are talking about companionship, you are probably right 🙂

However, let's take solar panels example, the company I worked for just signed a contract to install solar panel on our 9000SQM roof.

Cost of the installation: 0THB

Cost of the maintenance and replacement of deflective panels: 0THB

 

How do they money ? Well they sell us the KW that they produce with the panels at a cheaper rate than the country grid and they still make money, we save money, everybody win.

Don't you think they do the same with chargers ? They install for free and then they invoice you according to what you consume (obviously more expensive than if it was on your common electrical outlet but it's totally normal, nobody works for free).

 

So since you are an expert, please explain me in deep detail how doing a partnership with a EV charging company would be bad for the condo ?

 

Never said I was an expert.

And stop defecting things talking about solar power and your job. yawn.

 

But I know what condo management get up to most of the time.

( sorry I forgot it will all be free in the long run ) 

 

Now let just point out something to you.

You plugged your car in to a socket in the parking area of your condo.

Now you had no idea what the rating of the wiring was from that socket.

or the state of it. but you just plugged it in and went off to bed.

What a dangerous entitled person you were to do that. 

 

Now you must live in a very very nice condo.

Because if you had done that in my building.

it would have been unplugged with in a few minutes, by security.

if you had done it a second time ( as you did )

your car would have been jacked up on 4 dollies and remove from that area and left up on the dollies ( locked) until you went to the office to explain what you were doing. ( possible fine)

Entitled EV owners shinning so bright.

 

I live in a crap building unlike you. 

 

 

Well done for your care and due diligence when selecting a vehicle.

and accommodation. top marks -100

 

But get ready for an annul fee increase,.

you will understand that when it comes,  and it will, that's if they do entertain EV charging in your condo. very unlikely at present

Good luck.

 

 

Edited February 26 by quake

[lom]

27 minutes ago, soi3eddie said:

Anyone see the fire at Luton Airport parking structure last year? 

Dumbo..

 

The fire department identified the car which started the blaze. There's video of it. It was a diesel Range Rover, one of the Land Rover group of cars. While there is a diesel battery-electric hybrid option for some of the Range Rover groups, there's zero evidence that it was a hybrid.