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Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

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China already changed all/any potential info leading to their activities in the area as it may compromises them, they should have been summon immediately as soon the accident was detected and the Chinese ship was on site

Sweden calls for Chinese ship to return over Baltic Sea cable damage

https://au.yahoo.com/news/stockholm-urges-chinese-cargo-ship-001705552.html

 

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    • tgw
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      I have been to Ukraine several times on business and I have family there. I have also been to Russia on business. I would not be able to count how many times.   Russia blatantly vi

    • mistral53
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      As long as commentators in the west preface with 'if Putin wins', they disclose how much they still believe in their own delusional propaganda. There are only two possible scenarios - Russia wins and

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      So the West is to blame for Russia invading a sovereign country at the whim of a despotic dictator? Where do you get your warped one sided information from?

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    11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

    Uh oh.

    Trump's plan.

    Others might disagree but I'm reading this as throwing Ukraine under the bus.

    Which I expected but this seems to confirm. 

     

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/29/europe/trump-new-ukraine-envoy-analysis-intl/index.html

     

     

    Kellog should stick to making cornflakes.

    With Russias economy in dire straights Ukraine would never agree to such a plan. Gives Russia way too much.

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    11 minutes ago, Denim said:

     

    Kellog should stick to making cornflakes.

    With Russias economy in dire straights Ukraine would never agree to such a plan. Gives Russia way too much.

    Not all of us believe western propaganda.

     

    The alternative is to keep fighting till the inevitable Russian victory, and lose it all, or accept reality.

     

    This bus should never have left the station.

    The dead will haunt Zelkensky till he joins them.

     

    I don't know why Trump is even giving Zelensky anything. He should just stop any weapons being shipped till Zelensky open negotiations and agrees to a permanent halt on lines at ceasefire.

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    1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

    This bus should never have left the station.

    The dead will haunt Zelkensky till he joins them.

     

    Putins bus don't forget and he is the driver.

     

    The many dead definitely won't haunt Putin.

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    Desertion threatens to starve Ukraine's forces at a crucial time in its war with Russia

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/desertion-threatens-starve-ukraines-forces-052438561.html

     

    KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Desertion is starving the Ukrainian army of desperately needed manpower and crippling its battle plans at a crucial time in its war with Russia, which could put Kyiv at a clear disadvantage in future ceasefire talks.

    Facing every imaginable shortage, tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops, tired and bereft, have walked away from combat and front-line positions to slide into anonymity, according to soldiers, lawyers and Ukrainian officials. Entire units have abandoned their posts, leaving defensive lines vulnerable and accelerating territorial losses, according to military commanders and soldiers.

    Some take medical leave and never return, haunted by the traumas of war and demoralized by bleak prospects for victory. Others clash with commanders and refuse to carry out orders, sometimes in the middle of firefights.

    “This problem is critical,” said Oleksandr Kovalenko, a Kyiv-based military analyst. “This is the third year of war, and this problem will only grow.”

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    19 hours ago, Jingthing said:

    Uh oh.

    Trump's plan.

    Others might disagree but I'm reading this as throwing Ukraine under the bus.

    Which I expected but this seems to confirm. 

     

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/29/europe/trump-new-ukraine-envoy-analysis-intl/index.html

     

     

    it's not that easy.

     

    firstly, Ukraine has no incentive at all to accept such a freeze.

     

    secondly, for Russia such a freeze would be very problematic. one of its main problems would be the winding down of the war economy, as many of the more skilled Russians have left and they would face a reflux of unskilled young men from the frontlines who know how to use weapons and who are going to be unemployed.

    such a freeze would jeopardize Putin's dictatorship.

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    On 11/30/2024 at 1:24 PM, Denim said:

    The many dead definitely won't haunt Putin.

    Obviously or he wouldn't be where he is today. However, that doesn't mean he is going to lose this war.

     

     

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    22 hours ago, Denim said:

    Desertion threatens to starve Ukraine's forces at a crucial time in its war with Russia

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/desertion-threatens-starve-ukraines-forces-052438561.html

     

    KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Desertion is starving the Ukrainian army of desperately needed manpower and crippling its battle plans at a crucial time in its war with Russia, which could put Kyiv at a clear disadvantage in future ceasefire talks.

    Facing every imaginable shortage, tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops, tired and bereft, have walked away from combat and front-line positions to slide into anonymity, according to soldiers, lawyers and Ukrainian officials. Entire units have abandoned their posts, leaving defensive lines vulnerable and accelerating territorial losses, according to military commanders and soldiers.

    Some take medical leave and never return, haunted by the traumas of war and demoralized by bleak prospects for victory. Others clash with commanders and refuse to carry out orders, sometimes in the middle of firefights.

    “This problem is critical,” said Oleksandr Kovalenko, a Kyiv-based military analyst. “This is the third year of war, and this problem will only grow.”

    That's what happens when the side one is defending from a wet and dirty trench is losing.

    Zelensky and his cabal can BS as much as they want to about how they can win if only they have more tanks, if only they have more planes, if only they have more shells etc etc etc, but when they are so stupid as to sent their "best troops" on a losing task, one wonders how they lasted this long.

    The guys on the front line can't be fooled by the propaganda.

    23 hours ago, Denim said:

    Desertion threatens to starve Ukraine's forces at a crucial time in its war with Russia


    At the beginning of the conflict, Ukrainians were sure that America would enter any conflict and protect them. Feeling the great power of America behind them, Ukrainians lined up at military registration and enlistment offices at the beginning of the conflict. Much has changed since then and today Ukrainians have already changed their minds.
    Today it is the turn of people from Europe and UK to test their dreams in practice. We see that in UK they are sure that the USA will stand up for them all (see the headline below: Times Radio: US will enter the Russia-Ukraine conflict if Putin uses nukes). Will they be right or will they end up like the Ukrainians, what do you think?
     

     

    On 11/26/2024 at 12:53 PM, transam said:

    Very interesting interview with a very knowledgeable chap with insight........:welcomeani:

     

     

     

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    1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

    Zelensky and his cabal can BS as much as they want

    Says all that's needed to know about you.

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    1 hour ago, zmisha said:


    At the beginning of the conflict, Ukrainians were sure that America would enter any conflict and protect them. Feeling the great power of America behind them, Ukrainians lined up at military registration and enlistment offices at the beginning of the conflict. Much has changed since then and today Ukrainians have already changed their minds.
    Today it is the turn of people from Europe and UK to test their dreams in practice. We see that in UK they are sure that the USA will stand up for them all (see the headline below: Times Radio: US will enter the Russia-Ukraine conflict if Putin uses nukes). Will they be right or will they end up like the Ukrainians, what do you think?
     

     

     

    Why would they think that, the USA did nothing in 2014.......

    More guesswork.............🤕

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