Thailand Refuses To Sign Document Of The Swiss 'Peace' Summit

[Denim]

A number of posters seem to have forgotten how things arrived at the current situation.

 

Three years ago , Russia and Ukraine were at peace. There were no sanctions. Russians and Ukrainians could cross the border to visit relatives. 

Sweden and Finland were continuing in their long held neutrality. Thousands of Russians had not moved to Phuket fleeing war.

 

Then Putin had the idea for his two week special  miltary operation to clean out Nazis ??? His close circle of yes men agreed with his idea if they wanted to stay in favor.  If , back then a Russian refered to this as a war they could be arrested. It was not war it was just a two week thing. Russian troops tried to secure an airport at Kiev. Russian armour got close to Kiev.

 

After that , everything went wrong for Putin and his two week military operation drags on.  There are many posters here who believe Putins excuse and think Ukrainians should not have resisted him but thrown flowers in front of his invading troops.

 

Putin apologists can spin things any way they wish but the hard FACT is that from peaceable neighbors Russians and Ukrainians are dying in thousands merely to gratify the ambitions of a narcissist who cares nothing for human life or the well being of his citizens.

 

As for Thailand , just doing what it does best. Staying neutral and sitting on the fence. Works for them.

 

 

 

 

[SchuetzRob]

  On 6/17/2024 at 10:05 AM, NativeBob said:

Openly discussing and approving basic theft show the actual level of education of those "leaders".

Complete absence of knowledge in international laws as well as diplomacy.

And the during "family photo" Justin shouted that UA slogan <<< that was priceless "cherry on the top".

 

No wonder that Thai refused to participate in this circus.

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But Thailand did participate in this circus🙏🤭

they üdid not sign the final Memorandum, however. Nevermind, two days in Switzerland in serene surroundings were certainly appreciated by the Thai Delegation as well..... 

[JBChiangRai]

  On 6/18/2024 at 2:02 AM, SchuetzRob said:

But Thailand did participate in this circus🙏🤭

they üdid not sign the final Memorandum, however. Nevermind, two days in Switzerland in serene surroundings were certainly appreciated by the Thai Delegation as well..... 

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Thailand couldn’t sign, they have applied for BRICS membership, signing the piece accord would most likely have resulted in their application being refused.

[sungod]

  On 6/18/2024 at 1:46 AM, BobBKK said:

 Ukrainians in Donbas - next!

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Donbas is in Ukraine, so even if they fired the first shot it was obviously at someone who shouldn't have been there, so it would have been in defence.

[newbee2022]

  On 6/17/2024 at 9:31 AM, Brewster67 said:

Well done Thailand for refusing to sign the document of the outcome of the comical 'so called' 'Peace' summit in Lucerne, Switzerland...

 

They obviously were not going to be fooled that this comical collection of western leaders and low grade civil servants had any intention towards 'peace'.

 

In fact at no time whatsoever was there any attempt to discuss 'peace'... In fact it was nothing more than a staged platform for OUTGOING western leaders of the so-called free world to stand up on stage and criticise and threaten President Putin and Russia. It was also used as an excuse for the most corrupt politician on earth to continue to beg for money so he can buy more luxury multi-million dollar properties worldwide while he feeds his male (and female) population into a meat grinder for the benefit of creepy hair sniffing Joe Biden and Co.

 

So well done to Thailand for having principles and all those other countries who were not for one minute fooled.

 

 

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You watched a different meeting??😳

[cooked]

Anybody mention, or even know what are, The Minsk agreements? 

Sorry, I read through the first few comments... I guess not.

[sandyf]

  On 6/17/2024 at 12:07 PM, Woof999 said:

 

... and who was it again that was blindly following whatever their leader told them?

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The leader being Senator McCarthy?

Maybe not so much blindness as tunnel vision.

Not good to generalise, everyone's perception is based on "how" they were taught.

 

"I've looked at life from both sides now
From win and lose and still somehow
It's life's illusions I recall
I really don't know life at all"

[bobbin]

  On 6/17/2024 at 1:18 PM, Brewster67 said:

Strange how just about EVERY western media organisation ran multiple reports about the Nazi problem in Ukraine until they were told to make Ukraine the heroes..... Azov Battalion, Right Sector, C14,  Ethnic National Union, Homo Ethnicus, Denic Kapustin, Misanthropic Division, Social National Assembly, Social National Party of Ukraine, Wolfsangel to name but a few who seig heil there way around in their jackboots tatooed with German Nazi insignia.... Western Ukraine fought with the Nazis in WW2, the so-called 'father of Ukraine' Steppan Bandera was a fricken died-in-the-wool NAZI  who is honoured all over Ukraine with statues and even roads and buildings named after him.... Guess where all these organisations get their funding?..... Yup, the US State dept, The British foreign Office and the EU Commission.... Why?.... that answer is simple, because if you want to use a country as a proxy, you need to get into bed with the most extremist elements just like they do with Al Qaeda and ISIS who strangely seem to fight all of the west's enemies, and don't try to tell me you are also ignorant about THAT.

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I got this far in the thread before I just had to say something..

 

Where have all these pro-Russian posters come from?

 

Your point about support for the Germans in WW2.. If you are giving a history lesson you forgot the point about Russia starving the Ukrainians prior to the war..

 

I could go on but we would be here for days..

 

These are obviously Russian members and why would we be surprised. They are everywhere in Thailand now. Mostly because they are no longer welcome in most of their favored playgrounds.

 

And many speak excellent English. My condo is now at least 50% Russian.

[connda]

Peace Conference defined:  "a conference where representatives of warring governments or countries sign a treaty to end conflict"
- Collins Online Dictionary

That sham was not a "peace conference" or even a "peace negotiations."  A peace conference is not unilateral action.  They include both (or all) aggrieved parties.  What the Western hate-fest in Switzerland accomplished was to show virtually all non-aligned nations in the world what a US-led "rules based international order" has in store for them (we make the rules; you follow the rules, and "oh by the way, we're not even going to invite you to participate, but fail to follow the rule and you'll be isolated and punished).

So the countries who didn't sign?  They see the hypocrisy.  They are also probably looking very closely at becoming members of the BRICS-led alliance of independent nations who want to follow an international law-based international order and are probably pretty worried about having a Western-led militarized, global NATO show up on their doorsteps in the future to threaten them into compliance.  And if they push back?  Then like Russia (and soon China and Iran and DPRK and Venezuela, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Niger, heck most of Africa and Latin America and all the "crappy little countries" outlined in the Ledeen Doctrine) they will be accused of "unprovoked aggression" if they dare to push-back on Western militaries sitting on their borders, setting up blockades, aiming conventional and WMD at them, and issuing sanctions. 

Yeah - "unprovoked."  It's time to create an internationally accepted definition of "unprovoked," as opposed to a Western, unilateral definition of the word.  The rest of the world which values its sovereignty, such as Thailand, are starting to wake up, to point out Western aggression and provocations, and to begin making plans to protect their sovereignty by aligning with the BRICS-led organization of independent, sovereign nations.  "United we stand, divided we fall."

[expat_4_life]

  On 6/18/2024 at 3:09 AM, bobbin said:

Where have all these pro-Russian posters come from?

 

These are obviously Russian members and why would we be surprised. They are everywhere in Thailand now. Mostly because they are no longer welcome in most of their favored playgrounds.

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I suspect you're mostly/completely wrong.

There are plenty of westerners that are either anti-war, forever wars, weary of the fake narratives, lack of facts, the seemingly lack of the West taking any responsibility, and are simply not going along.  That does not make them Russians or pro-Putin, Putin apologists, pro-dictator, fascists or whatever smears get tossed around.

This war has been brewing for decades but the western news mostly wants you to believe Putin woke up one day and decided to invade Ukraine.  It's much more complicated than those "talking points".

This is why we are here.

[harryviking]

  On 6/17/2024 at 9:31 AM, Brewster67 said:

Well done Thailand for refusing to sign the document of the outcome of the comical 'so called' 'Peace' summit in Lucerne, Switzerland...

 

They obviously were not going to be fooled that this comical collection of western leaders and low grade civil servants had any intention towards 'peace'.

 

In fact at no time whatsoever was there any attempt to discuss 'peace'... In fact it was nothing more than a staged platform for OUTGOING western leaders of the so-called free world to stand up on stage and criticise and threaten President Putin and Russia. It was also used as an excuse for the most corrupt politician on earth to continue to beg for money so he can buy more luxury multi-million dollar properties worldwide while he feeds his male (and female) population into a meat grinder for the benefit of creepy hair sniffing Joe Biden and Co.

 

So well done to Thailand for having principles and all those other countries who were not for one minute fooled.

 

 

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BS!!!

[Dirk Z]

  On 6/17/2024 at 12:06 PM, BobBKK said:

 Yes, he did. 78% turnout Putin wins 88%. Even if you claim no opposition (which is a lie) people could have stayed home and not voted at all. Sorry to disappoint you with facts.

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Are you serious? Offering a choice after murdering his most strong opposer (Navalny) and locking up the rest?

[Geir Rasch]

  On 6/17/2024 at 2:27 PM, Keep Right said:

Have Russian trolls infiltrated this forum? Seems that way.

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Obviously. They probably are part of Putins hacker team. The best thing is to ignore them. They are poisoned with Putins propaganda, so you will never reach in, best to ignore them. Then may be they get bored and leave. They probably are russian refugees in Thailand to avoid enlisting to the war in Ukraine trying to appease Putin.

[bradiston]

Where's the article for this? And the links? Google only has AN as a source!

[Guderian]

Just to make it easy to avoid the drivel he posts, the OP should please change his board name to Vladimir_Brewsterski67.

[BobBKK]

  On 6/18/2024 at 1:58 AM, rickudon said:

It is true that Putin has a high level of support in Russia. He lifted Russia off of its knees and rebuilt the economy, not surprising he is popular. You know who also did this? Hitler.

Both of them went on to destroy any political opposition, and started to threaten and annex parts of what they considered 'their' old empires. They then went on to try open warfare.

Bob needs to find out how corrupt Russia's military complex is, ever wondered why they have failed to crush Ukraine? Most people expected that the Russian onslaught would overwhelm Ukraine in a couple of weeks. In reality Russia was fighting a war using obsolete weaponry, incompetent leaders and WW2 tactics. Yes, they are learning how to fight a modern war, but the Russian military industrial complex has been so successfully looted that they are incapable of producing tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, artillery or warplanes in any significant number. Russia will run out of armoured vehicles in about one year, artillery a bit longer. The other question is do Russian people realise how many men they have lost in their blind frontal assaults, 90% of which fail? About 500,000 casualties so far.

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If I were you, I'd look up Professor Jeffery Sachs (Columbia) and Professor John Joseph Mearsheimer (Chicago).  Your post is full of inaccuracies and nonsense. 

[BobBKK]

  On 6/18/2024 at 2:35 AM, sungod said:

 

Donbas is in Ukraine, so even if they fired the first shot it was obviously at someone who shouldn't have been there, so it would have been in defence.

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You MUST BE joking.   Do you know so LITTLE about this conflict that you don't even know the Donbas majority is Russian? 

The ignorance on here is astounding... it really is.

[JBChiangRai]

  On 6/18/2024 at 4:45 AM, BobBKK said:

You MUST BE joking.   Do you know so LITTLE about this conflict that you don't even know the Donbas majority is Russian? 

The ignorance on here is astounding... it really is.

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BS

 

The majority nationality in the Donbas region is ethnic Ukrainian. In 2016, a clear majority of residents in the government-controlled part of Donbas identified as Ukrainian citizens, and even in 2019, respondents self-identified in roughly equal measure as “Ukrainian citizens” and “ethnic Ukrainian”. Additionally, despite the dominance of the Russian language and the Soviet image of the region as predominantly Russian, 56% of people in Donbas name themselves as ethnic Ukrainians.

 

https://theconversation.com/most-people-in-separatist-held-areas-of-donbas-prefer-reintegration-with-ukraine-new-survey-124849

https://euromaidanpress.com/2019/01/18/the-rise-and-decline-of-donbas-how-the-region-became-the-heart-of-soviet-union-and-why-it-fell-to-russian-hybrid-war/

[ChicagoExpat]

  On 6/17/2024 at 10:05 AM, NativeBob said:

Openly discussing and approving basic theft show the actual level of education of those "leaders".

Complete absence of knowledge in international laws as well as diplomacy.

And the during "family photo" Justin shouted that UA slogan <<< that was priceless "cherry on the top".

 

No wonder that Thai refused to participate in this circus.

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You mean theft of Ukrainian land?  Thousands of Ukrainian children?  Countless washing machines and all the things Ukrainians had that Russians didn't?  That theft?

[BobBKK]

  On 6/18/2024 at 4:49 AM, JBChiangRai said:

 

BS

 

The majority nationality in the Donbas region is ethnic Ukrainian. In 2016, a clear majority of residents in the government-controlled part of Donbas identified as Ukrainian citizens, and even in 2019, respondents self-identified in roughly equal measure as “Ukrainian citizens” and “ethnic Ukrainian”. Additionally, despite the dominance of the Russian language and the Soviet image of the region as predominantly Russian, 56% of people in Donbas name themselves as ethnic Ukrainians.

 

https://theconversation.com/most-people-in-separatist-held-areas-of-donbas-prefer-reintegration-with-ukraine-new-survey-124849

https://euromaidanpress.com/2019/01/18/the-rise-and-decline-of-donbas-how-the-region-became-the-heart-of-soviet-union-and-why-it-fell-to-russian-hybrid-war/

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According to the results in the DPR and the LPR, 99.23% (2,116,800 voters) supported the annexation in Donetsk and 98.42% (1,636,302 voters) in Luhansk. The turnouts were 97.51% (2,131,207 voters) and 94.15% (1,662,607 voters), respectively.

[BobBKK]

  On 6/18/2024 at 1:58 AM, rickudon said:

It is true that Putin has a high level of support in Russia. He lifted Russia off of its knees and rebuilt the economy, not surprising he is popular. You know who also did this? Hitler.

Both of them went on to destroy any political opposition, and started to threaten and annex parts of what they considered 'their' old empires. They then went on to try open warfare.

Bob needs to find out how corrupt Russia's military complex is, ever wondered why they have failed to crush Ukraine? Most people expected that the Russian onslaught would overwhelm Ukraine in a couple of weeks. In reality Russia was fighting a war using obsolete weaponry, incompetent leaders and WW2 tactics. Yes, they are learning how to fight a modern war, but the Russian military industrial complex has been so successfully looted that they are incapable of producing tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, artillery or warplanes in any significant number. Russia will run out of armoured vehicles in about one year, artillery a bit longer. The other question is do Russian people realise how many men they have lost in their blind frontal assaults, 90% of which fail? About 500,000 casualties so far.

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 You need to go look at the map - Russia has been very restrained so far and plods along to avoid casualties - Ukraine at 500,000, Russia at 150,000, I think. Watch this space.

[transam]

  On 6/18/2024 at 4:45 AM, BobBKK said:

You MUST BE joking.   Do you know so LITTLE about this conflict that you don't even know the Donbas majority is Russian? 

The ignorance on here is astounding... it really is.

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The land belongs to Ukraine.

Did you know many Indians live in the UK...?  😂

Even Scots live in England, it seems your ignorance is astounding........🤣

[bobbin]

  On 6/18/2024 at 4:57 AM, BobBKK said:

 

According to the results in the DPR and the LPR, 99.23% (2,116,800 voters) supported the annexation in Donetsk and 98.42% (1,636,302 voters) in Luhansk. The turnouts were 97.51% (2,131,207 voters) and 94.15% (1,662,607 voters), respectively.

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Ok BobSTPetersburg 😊

 

I think you have overreached here.. The percentages you have provided are obviously the product of "managed" elections, a skill Russia, under Putin, has developed into a fine art..

[BobBKK]

  On 6/18/2024 at 5:03 AM, transam said:

The land belongs to Ukraine.

Did you know many Indians live in the UK...?  😂

Even Scots live in England, it seems your ignorance is astounding........🤣

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 That is true - or it did - if the Ukrainians had not been so aggressive and implemented the 2014 accord, all would be well. Have you ever been there?

[NativeBob]

  On 6/18/2024 at 4:55 AM, ChicagoExpat said:

Countless washing machines and all the things Ukrainians had that Russians didn't?

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washing machines? what color of the sky on your planet?

children? 

you forgot to mention those old men and boys raped by soldiers as that retarded official from UN mentioned. 

demonize Russians furthermore, please!

[ElwoodP]

Reported posts removed. Please discuss the topic not each other.

[BobBKK]

  On 6/18/2024 at 5:05 AM, bobbin said:

Ok BobSTPetersburg 😊

 

I think you have overreached here.. The percentages you have provided are obviously the product of "managed" elections, a skill Russia, under Putin, has developed into a fine art..

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 I like that name!  St. Pete is my favourite city - thank you   🙂 

I think there are 'managed' elections everywhere, especially in America  lol 

[transam]

  On 6/18/2024 at 5:06 AM, BobBKK said:

 That is true - or it did - if the Ukrainians had not been so aggressive and implemented the 2014 accord, all would be well. Have you ever been there?

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Stop making excuses for your Russian murderer hero, Hitler mkII................🥴

[BobBKK]

  On 6/18/2024 at 5:15 AM, transam said:

Stop making excuses for your Russian murderer hero, Hitler mkII................🥴

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 Russia lost 27m fighting Hitler - do not insult their memory as you sit there with your Chang because of their sacrifice.

[Bkk Brian]

  On 6/18/2024 at 5:09 AM, NativeBob said:

washing machines? what color of the sky on your planet?

children? 

you forgot to mention those old men and boys raped by soldiers as that retarded official from UN mentioned. 

demonize Russians furthermore, please!

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demonize Russians furthermore, please!

 

They demonize themselves, here are some leading Ukrainians to their slaughter.

 

Russian soldiers ordered to 'shoot everyone' in Bucha massacre