New Immigration form for retirement extensions.

[Jingthing]

32 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Unless I missed it, on that form I don't see an option for those using the money in bank option.

 

Again, my feeling is that some IMO in Roi Et invented this form, because he can. Why would head office start this in a province with the least applicants.

Chonburi or Bangkok would be where they started it

Well I do agree it's quite a dumb form.

[Caldera]

Yet another form. So people in Nakhon Nowhere, ahem Roi Et, really do have too much time on their hands.

[Liquorice]

2 hours ago, CallumWK said:

Unless I missed it, on that form I don't see an option for those using the money in bank option.

Looking at the form, which sections are numbered, I'd say if you were using the income method, complete 2 and 3.1

If using the funds in the bank method, complete 3.2

If using the combo method, complete 2, 3.1 and 3.2

That's just a guess.

 

2 hours ago, CallumWK said:

Again, my feeling is that some IMO in Roi Et invented this form, because he can. Why would head office start this in a province with the least applicants.

Chonburi or Bangkok would be where they started it

Well, if it's a wind up, the whole office must be in on it then.

[Liquorice]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Well that's wrong because there is definitely no rule that all money needs to come from pensions!

Income method.

[Liquorice]

2 hours ago, CallumWK said:

Most people, 50 year of age, don't have a pension and have retirement extensions.

I suggest stop posting, because with every post you lose more credibilty

Then most without a pension must use the funds in the bank method.

 

Order 138/2557. Income method - retirement.

 

[Jingthing]

36 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

Income method.

Actually other types of income can be used for the income method and many people using the bank method have pensions.

[rocketboy2]

That's nice of them.

 

[HappyExpat57]

For years I've been using Photoshop to fill in the blanks then sign the extension form. My handwriting is abysmal on a good day.

 

This year Chanthaburi immigration wouldn't accept it. They handed me a blank form and said it had to be filled out by hand in blue ink. There was also a new (to me) form acknowledging that I was aware of the overstay penalties.

 

Last year they had me make a map to my condo. I used Google maps and gave them extremely accurate directions which resulted in a visit from immigration officers. This year, I hand drew a map that will send them into a canal.

 

I know it's easier to maintain a visa here than in some countries, but some of their policies are still an illogical PITA.

[OJAS]

8 hours ago, Liquorice said:

before another IO intervened, became cranky, evasive, and started questioning why I wanted to know.

 

Which makes me seriously wonder whether this so-called affidavit could, in fact, amount to some phishing attempt on their part aimed at targeting foreign retirees' bank balances.

 

[mokwit]

8 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

Unless I missed it, on that form I don't see an option for those using the money in bank option.

 

Again, my feeling is that some IMO in Roi Et invented this form, because he can. Why would head office start this in a province with the least applicants.

Chonburi or Bangkok would be where they started it

No IMO, they might test response in a small province. TM30 was rolled out in Chiang Mai before Bangkok and I think somewhere small before CM.

 

That said, my guess is that it just provincial crankiness. Hope all bank accounts don't have to be updated/letter obtained on the day.

Edited July 9 by mokwit

[Tod Daniels]

Truly a train wreck of a thread 😮 and my take on it @Liquorice it's just a b/s form that an immigration office in Nakhon Nowhere came up with 🙂 

Believe me, no matter who said it's going to be rolled out IF that was gonna happen at all 80+ immigration offices they wouldn't start it up there in Roi Et 😛

Until someone else from another office (and not another ban-nok Nakhon Nowhere office) posts that they filled it out when they did an extension I'd chalk it up to misinformation and just a quirky form that particular office uses

[mokwit]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Actually other types of income can be used for the income method and many people using the bank method have pensions.

Apparently in some offices not, you have to show it is from a pension and if yours is a pension that is paid twice in one month in some months they wont accept it and you cant top up a sub 65k pension to 65k with income from investments.

[shdmn]

Here we go with another thread of knuckleheads first denying it's for real, then becoming argumentative claiming it's just some rogue office or whatever, then once they finally realize it's for real the inevitable whining starts.  🙃

 

Edited July 10 by shdmn

[Madgee]

Roi-Et I.O. has been handing out this form haphazardly for at least the past 6 months. A Canadian friend who uses the embassy letter method for his retirement extension was given it in December 2023. I saw them give it to a German national doing his extension (marriage) using the income method last November while I was doing my retirement extension using the 800k in the bank method. I was not asked to fill this form in.

Considering the inferior translation of this form, even by immigration standards, I would guess that it is a 'local' form but let's see if there are any more reports from other I.O.s. 

[Digitalbanana]

9 hours ago, Liquorice said:

The form is not speculation

That YouTube channel is the epitome of speculation about everything immigration related in Thailand. Watching it can seriously confuse you.

[Tod Daniels]

9 hours ago, Liquorice said:

The form is not speculation

No one is saying that b/s form isn't being used in Roi Et

What people are saying is that one renegade form from an immigration office in Nakhon Nowhere doesn't mean it's gonna be an "official" form for all 80+ immigration offices any time soon

Here's one that came out YEARS ago at an equally ban-nok immigration office Nong Khai

People up there were saying it was an official form, would be used a all offices in the country and that turned out to be total b/s. it was a form THEY cooked up at that office (just like this one that has "Roi Et" on the top right corner  

Here's that "it's going to be in all the offices" form from Nong Khai from many years ago, which came to nothing (sorry it's a super poor quality image)

Edited July 10 by Tod Daniels

[bamnutsak]

Is there any information required on this form that we don't already provide?

 

 

[Ben Zioner]

11 hours ago, Mutt Daeng said:

You could be right JT, but why only for people on retirement extensions? Surely those on marriage extensions are subject to the same tax rules?

Why? As they are likely to benefit from the family allowances that could be financed with the tax paid by those on retirement extensions.

[KannikaP]

13 hours ago, Liquorice said:

Not sure if anyone has yet come across or been asked to complete this 'affidavit' when applying for a 1-year extension based on retirement.

As Roi Et is my Immigration office, I was alerted to it by a friend who saw a YouTube clip where it was mentioned by Integrity Legal.

 

Going to collect my own 1-year extension stamp today (based on Thai spouse), I asked about the document.

 

 

According to RE Imm, this is being rolled out across all Immigration offices for completion by those applying for extensions based on retirement only.

This is basically an affidavit which you are required to complete and sign.

The English spelling and grammar, as usual, leaves a lot to the imagination.

 

 

 

They cannot even spell AND correctly..................abnd fund social'', and what is 'willçe' as follows.They really need someone to sort their forms out, putting Day, Month and Year on the same line, and get an English speaking person to translate it.

[CallumWK]

28 minutes ago, Tod Daniels said:

No one is saying that b/s form isn't being used in Roi Et

What people are saying is that one renegade form from an immigration office in Nakhon Nowhere doesn't mean it's gonna be an "official" form for all 80+ immigration offices any time soon

Here's one that came out YEARS ago at an equally ban-nok immigration office Nong Khai

People up there were saying it was an official form, would be used a all offices in the country and that turned out to be total b/s. it was a form THEY cooked up at that office (just like this one that has "Roi Et" on the top right corner  

Here's that "it's going to be in all the offices" form from Nong Khai from many years ago, which came to nothing (sorry it's a super poor quality image)

 When forms have the name of the immigration printed on it, as is the case with this and the one in the OP, that is the biggest indication that it hasn't been issued by the immigration head office but by someone who makes up his own rules.

 

Name of the immigration office a;ways has to be filled in on the document, because immigration office not gonna issue 80 different documents for each specific office.

[Doctor Tom]

11 hours ago, Banana7 said:

Does this form need to be filled by all who apply for a retirement extension? There are 2 ways to qualify financially for a retirement extension, by monthly deposits or by bank balance. Is this form only for the monthly deposit method?

Who knows, even they don't know 

[sandyf]

36 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 When forms have the name of the immigration printed on it, as is the case with this and the one in the OP, that is the biggest indication that it hasn't been issued by the immigration head office but by someone who makes up his own rules.

At the end of the day it is a bit irrelevant who makes up the rules, you either want a stamp or you don't.

Shouting BS is not going to make a difference, adapting to change is one of life's necessities.

[mokwit]

3 hours ago, shdmn said:

Here we go with another thread of knuckleheads first denying it's for real, then becoming argumentative claiming it's just some rogue office or whatever, then once they finally realize it's for real the inevitable whining starts.  🙃

 

Not really, many offices seem to have requirements peculiar only to themselves that have not been taken up countrywide. Phuket has its own PoA form for TM30 that is not downloadable from main Imm website. Also see Nong Khai pension transfer form used just by one office posted below your post by Tod Daniels

 

So less of the "knuckleheads". Some of us have been dealing with Immigration/MoFA across all visa/extension classes, for 30 years, and are making judgements based on that, but you think you know best despite an example contradicting you.

 

Based on the evidence presented of a form with the name of the Imm office being included I would conclude that this is a one office thing, even though TM30 enforcement started with CM and I think before that other provinces, not with CW. This of course makes me a "knucklehead". Perhaps we should revisit this down the road.

Edited July 10 by mokwit

[mokwit]

34 minutes ago, sandyf said:

At the end of the day it is a bit irrelevant who makes up the rules, you either want a stamp or you don't.

Shouting BS is not going to make a difference, adapting to change is one of life's necessities.

This is so. Imm are almost totally inflexible and unyielding about their rules. You meet their requirements or you don't, and if you don't they don't approve your extension. That is not to say they don't ever accept extraneous circumstances, but saying your Landlord wont file TM30 or give you the docs has no workaround in some offices, in some it does  - CW apparently has allowed a lease and utility bills receipts for that address.

[john donson]

retirement yes, 50+ yes,  pension ? ZERO , not pension age in home country...

 

they have a bank letter and statements, name of bank, 800k

 

the rest, nanja buzzniss

[foreverlomsak]

13 hours ago, Mutt Daeng said:

You could be right JT, but why only for people on retirement extensions? Surely those on marriage extensions are subject to the same tax rules?

Correct, but the Immigration income requirement for "Marriage" at 40k pm, would probably not be high enough for a tax bill to be issued, whereas "Retirement" at 65k pm probably would be. It's use for tax purposes could be as a check on whether "bank interest" is being declared.

[foreverlomsak]

3 hours ago, mokwit said:

Hope all bank accounts don't have to be updated/letter obtained on the day.

Been a requirement of my local office (Phetchabun) ever since it opened in 2017.

[mokwit]

5 minutes ago, foreverlomsak said:

Been a requirement of my local office (Phetchabun) ever since it opened in 2017.

Three bank accounts or just the one? All offices require bank book updated same day, some require letter same day, others not same day e.g. CW allow the letter to be up to 7 days previous. Having to update 3 bank books before you can go to Imm is doable - 3 passbook machines except not SCB at CW, but 3 letters...............

Edited July 10 by mokwit

[foreverlomsak]

5 minutes ago, mokwit said:

Three bank accounts or just the one? All offices require bank book updated same day, some require letter same day, others not same day e.g. CW allow the letter to be up to 7 days previous. Having to update 3 bank books before you can go to Imm is doable - 3 passbook machines except not SCB at CW, but 3 letters...............

Only the account(s) you are using for the 800k, as the balance only changes with interest/tax, they once enquired "where does your living money come from", my reply was I have other bank accounts here.

An aside Phetchabun did not like my friend using 2 accounts to hold his 800k and told him to go to Pattaya to get his extension, despite it being OK the year before.

[connda]

13 hours ago, Liquorice said:

But the monies are supposed to come from pensions, read Immigration orders.

 

Post a link to the immigration order that states that or it is not credible.