Pink I.D Card & Yellow Book

[scorecard]

3 hours ago, The Fugitive said:

Agree on Yellow Tabien Baan as proof of address. Things certainly do vary though. I've never stayed in a hotel in Phuket or Krabi (irrespective of who does the checking in or the name on the booking) where the desk staff haven't demanded my passport then leafed through the pages to find my latest extension stamp and taken a photocopy.

 

Can be even more complex. I have PR (28 years), tried once in Pattaya to use my pink card to check-in at 4 star hotel. Rather arrogant young man said 'what is the expiry date?' 

 

I explained PR is for life so there is no specific expiry date. Hotel boy responded 'that's not possible'. I showed him the pink card again pointing to the expiry date area on the card and the fact there is no date but there's the Thai word 'cheewit' meaning lifetime.

 

The boy insisted 'it's a mistake and you should check these things before you made incorrect statements'. He also said 'I should cut up this card maybe it's fake'. 

 

I instantly grabbed the card and put it in my pants pocket and walked out.

 

Next hotel accepted the pink card with a smile. 

[khunPer]

On 10/15/2024 at 10:09 AM, Bangkok Black said:

Hello all,

 

I would like to get a pink ID card and a yellow book.

What do I need to do and what do I need to get in advance?

I have looked on Google and YouTube but it seems confusing and each report seems to just add to my confusion. Each video on YouTube gives a different way that the person got said items.

Does the process differ depending on where you are in Thailand?

is there meant to be a process that every office should follow?

 

I could do this in Bangkok or Prachin Buri.

Different answers is because it's "same-same but different" in different provinces.

 

At the place you stay, check with the local tessa ban-office, what they wish of documentation and witnesses for being registered in a yellow house book for aliens, which is first step.

 

Normally you'll need a certified translation of the name-page of you passport to Thai language and two witnesses, of which one must ne a neighbour and one must be a governmental employee. You will also need acceptance from the house master or host where you stay; i.e. the person that can accept people to be registered in the house book. If you own an apartment or a house – you can own a house, but not the land under it – you will have a blue house book and ought be registered as host by tesssa ban. Some places you'll also need to pass an interview to be registered in a yellow house book for aliens; however, you don't need to be able to speak Thai, a translator is allowed.

 

When having a yellow house book for aliens you can apply for a pink ID-card at the local amphor-office. You might need a letter from the tessa ban-office to apply.

[The Fugitive]

18 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Can be even more complex. I have PR (28 years), tried once in Pattaya to use my pink card to check-in at 4 star hotel. Rather arrogant young man said 'what is the expiry date?' 

 

I explained PR is for life so there is no specific expiry date. Hotel boy responded 'that's not possible'. I showed him the pink card again pointing to the expiry date area on the card and the fact there is no date but there's the Thai word 'cheewit' meaning lifetime.

 

The boy insisted 'it's a mistake and you should check these things before you made incorrect statements'. He also said 'I should cut up this card maybe it's fake'. 

 

I instantly grabbed the card and put it in my pants pocket and walked out.

 

Next hotel accepted the pink card with a smile.

Wow! Shocking customer service. He could have been on the receiving end of something (or someone) very nasty earlier on? 

[scorecard]

16 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

•   2 hours ago, bigt3116 said:

 

I am told that you can only do the lump sum and continue health if you work for less than 15 years, after that it is pension and no option for health?

 

I'm not knowledgeable about that item. Suggestions:

 

1 Call 1506 the SSF Hotline and check, use the English option.

 

2. Check the SSF Act section 39. As follows:

 

 Section 39.^[1] Any person  who is  an  insured  person under  section 33, has  paid contribution  for a period  of not  less than  twelve  months  and,  subsequently  ceases to  be insured  person in  pursuance  of  section 38(2),  if  such  person  wishes  to continually  be insured person, he or   she   shall, within   six   months   from the   date   of   his   or   her termination  to  be  insured  person, notify  his  or  her  statement  to  the  Office according to the  regulations  prescribed by  the  Secretary – General.

 

  Perhaps better to read point 2 above before calling the 1506 Hotline 

-    Note the twelve months details.   

-    Also note after retirement and receiving the savings payout a member has six months to decide if they wish to continue their Injury and Sickness benefits and pay  direct to the SSF 432Baht a month member contribution. This can continue until death.

-    Also note after retirement and receiving the savings payout a member has six months to decide if they wish to continue their Injury and Sickness benefits.

 

More details on this in my post above earlier today in this thread. 

 

[The Fugitive]

37 minutes ago, sandyf said:

I have had mine since 2010 and the number just means you are on the Thai database. Interaction with any department doesn't happen unless it is initiated.

I registered at the hospital with my yellow book and when covid came along the hospital put me on the app without me having to do anything. Had the vaccine about 9am the day rollout started while those that dismiss the benefits of the yellow book were pulling their hair out.

I knew someone who was registered at the same hospital and his wife went and complained when she found out about my appointment. Turned out he had registered with his passport and had no 13 digit number.

Appears your hospital took the iniative upon your behalf which obviously worked to your benefit. It would seem you were wrongly (or rightly) treated as a Thai. At my local community hospital registering didn't come into it. They would ring us and Thai Mrs and myself could both go as soon as they received stocks of vaccine. I didn't have my Yellow Book/Pink Card then but it made no difference in my case.

[richard_smith237]

8 hours ago, klauskunkel said:

my 2 cents to this process:

in case you are married - take a copy of your Marriage Certificate to the translation service to make sure the Thai spelling of your name from your passport will match, phonetic translations do differ a lot, and this approach will help with compatibility issues down the road. 

 

Excellent advice !!! 
 

We luckily had a digital copy of the marriage cert to check…. 
 

 

 

Edited October 16 by richard_smith237

[kennypowers]

On 10/15/2024 at 9:09 AM, Bangkok Black said:

Hello all,

 

I would like to get a pink ID card and a yellow book.

What do I need to do and what do I need to get in advance?

I have looked on Google and YouTube but it seems confusing and each report seems to just add to my confusion. Each video on YouTube gives a different way that the person got said items.

Does the process differ depending on where you are in Thailand?

is there meant to be a process that every office should follow?

 

I could do this in Bangkok or Prachin Buri.

 

YouTube is useless for stuff like this. Just confusing. I didn't bother with the pink ID card in the end, couldn't be bothered for the few benefits. Found some other people's experiences here: https://www.thethailandlife.com/pink-id-card and the Yellow Book requirements there too: https://www.thethailandlife.com/tabien-baan 

[Lorry]

12 hours ago, phetphet said:

Is the 13 digit number on the Covid vaccination application and app also a Tax ID number?

No

I thought it would be, but I was wrong

[watchcat]

On 10/15/2024 at 9:15 AM, scubascuba3 said:

I couldn't drag a couple of Thais up there, just wouldn't waste their time, rather pay the very low property tax

 

What oroperty tax? We have never paid any property tax in 10 years.

[Maestro]

14 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

Also, a pink card gets you absolutely nada at a gogo bar.

 

I'm so sorry to hear that you suffered this disappointment.

 

There is a saying that a  disappointment is an unfilled expectation. That's not to say that one should have no expectations, but in this particular case your expectation was sadly misplaced. I wish you better fortune with your other expectations.

[sungod]

On 10/15/2024 at 3:20 PM, scubascuba3 said:

Why do you want it? what have you heard about it? great benefits?

 

You can show it to other Chang drinking retirees in your local bar and pretend you are more Thai than the Thais.

[roo860]

Live in Chiang Mai, had yellow book for around 20yrs, sold a motorbike to a Thai person earlier this year, both went to Transport office, could not complete the transfer till I obtained pink card. Went to Ampur, copy passport, visa, Yellow book, and a Thai witness, 70bt, that was it. Seems Chiang Mai LTR office are a law unto themselves. 

[flexomike]

15 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

Can be even more complex. I have PR (28 years), tried once in Pattaya to use my pink card to check-in at 4 star hotel. Rather arrogant young man said 'what is the expiry date?' 

 

I explained PR is for life so there is no specific expiry date. Hotel boy responded 'that's not possible'. I showed him the pink card again pointing to the expiry date area on the card and the fact there is no date but there's the Thai word 'cheewit' meaning lifetime.

 

The boy insisted 'it's a mistake and you should check these things before you made incorrect statements'. He also said 'I should cut up this card maybe it's fake'. 

 

I instantly grabbed the card and put it in my pants pocket and walked out.

 

Next hotel accepted the pink card with a smile. 

I you are over 60 when you apply for your pink card you are automatically given a lifetime card.

[bigt3116]

15 hours ago, scorecard said:

I showed him the pink card again pointing to the expiry date area on the card and the fact there is no date but there's the Thai word 'cheewit' meaning lifetime.

 

I wonder if that has changed? Seems now the PR id card is only valid for 5 years?

[jayboy]

22 hours ago, scorecard said:

Because PR is for life my pink card doesn't have an expiry date. Instead it has the Thai word cheewit (lifetime). 

 

Are you sure the lifetime nature  of the pink card isn't because of your age (over 60) rather than because you hold PR? At least that's what I was told.

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, jayboy said:

 

Are you sure the lifetime nature  of the pink card isn't because of your age (over 60) rather than because you hold PR? At least that's what I was told.

 

Good point, and I guess it could be either way. I do recall the senior officer at the Chiang Mai amphur officer telling the other officers, speaking in Thai and in perfect English, 'his card should show cheewit because he has PR'.

 

Bottom line, whatever the rule there's no need for renewal. 

 

Edited October 17 by scorecard

[Liquorice]

2 hours ago, flexomike said:

I you are over 60 when you apply for your pink card you are automatically given a lifetime card.

Correct.

The pink ID cards are valid for 8 years the same as Thai ID cards, but once you attain the age of 60+ they are valid for a lifetime.

[bigt3116]

22 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

Correct.

The pink ID cards are valid for 8 years the same as Thai ID cards, but once you attain the age of 60+ they are valid for a lifetime.

 

I think you will find generally they are both valid for 10 years.

[couchpotato]

35 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

Correct.

The pink ID cards are valid for 8 years the same as Thai ID cards, but once you attain the age of 60+ they are valid for a lifetime.

You are correct on this

[Liquorice]

14 minutes ago, bigt3116 said:

 

I think you will find generally they are both valid for 10 years.

I don't have to think anything, I know they are valid for 8 years.

 

It's not gone unnoticed, you have a penchant for criticising or questioning in particular information posted by myself or @DrJack54 in answer to other members questions, rather than offering an answer or advice yourself in the first instance. It's akin to stalking or just being a troll.

[bigt3116]

12 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

I don't have to think anything, I know they are valid for 8 years.

 

It's not gone unnoticed, you have a penchant for criticising or questioning in particular information posted by myself or @DrJack54 in answer to other members questions, rather than offering an answer or advice yourself in the first instance. It's akin to stalking or just being a troll.

 

I often to propose options and answers, but some posters seem to think only they know the correct answer.

 

As for licence and id card, I was wrong.

 

Licences are 2 and then 5 yearly renewals and I was right with the id card, they are 10 yearly renewals.

 

(Though you will never accept you are wrong of course)

[bigt3116]

Just now, bigt3116 said:

you have a penchant for criticising or questioning in particular information posted by myself or @DrJack54 in answer to other members questions,

 

Maybe that is because you are both prolific posters and therefore have more posts to comment on?

1 minute ago, bigt3116 said:

rather than offering an answer or advice yourself in the first instance.

 

I actually had an instance where a poster missed a vital question in his answer, I then posted that question in a new post.

 

And guess what, that certain poster deleted my relevant question post, and added it to his previous post, (proving  it was relevant).

 

So who is the troll there?

[Andrew Dwyer]

Obtaining a yellow book and subsequent pink id depends on your Amphur and their requirements.

It can be anything from a passport and 20 baht to a visit to your Embassy for a certified copy of your passport, then a visit to MFA to translate your passport copy and birth certificate, then drag a couple of witnesses with you to the Amphur, to a direct “ no can do “ ……… and anything in between.

 

More threads on this topic than you can shake a stick at !!

 

Only sensible recommendation is to visit your Amphur and ask them what they need !

( already suggested 2 days ago )

[Liquorice]

25 minutes ago, bigt3116 said:

Licences are 2 and then 5 yearly renewals and I was right with the id card, they are 10 yearly renewals.

 

(Though you will never accept you are wrong of course)

There are 4 Thais in my household. Each one has an ID card valid for 8 years.
The wife's was issued 2018, expires 2026 = 8 years.

 

The identification card comprises basic information on the holder, including

• Identification number
• Title, given and family name;
• Date of birth
• Religion
• Address
• Date of issue
• Date of expiry, 8 years after issue date on cardholder's birthday ^[18]
• Photo of the card holder

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_identity_card

 

 

[scubascuba3]

8 hours ago, watchcat said:

 

What oroperty tax? We have never paid any property tax in 10 years.

oh, maybe ring up your local authority and ask, they add on interest every year if non payment

[CallumWK]

7 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

oh, maybe ring up your local authority and ask, they add on interest every year if non payment

 

If you own only 1 property and live in it, you are exempt of property tax.

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, CallumWK said:

 

If you own only 1 property and live in it, you are exempt of property tax.

 

@scubascuba3isn't exempt and doesn't mind paying.

 

[scubascuba3]

2 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

If you own only 1 property and live in it, you are exempt of property tax.

only if you have the ridiculous yellow book

[sandyf]

22 hours ago, The Fugitive said:

Appears your hospital took the iniative upon your behalf which obviously worked to your benefit. It would seem you were wrongly (or rightly) treated as a Thai. At my local community hospital registering didn't come into it. They would ring us and Thai Mrs and myself could both go as soon as they received stocks of vaccine. I didn't have my Yellow Book/Pink Card then but it made no difference in my case.

The difference was that when Mor Phrom was introduced it couldn't be used without a 13 digit code. Something that caused a great deal of consternation in the expat community.

At the end of the day the yellow book has benefits that many are not aware of, yet quite prepared to claim there is no benefit.

[oldcpu]

On 10/16/2024 at 7:21 AM, MPoll said:

I opened a bank account recently using my passport, yellow book, and pink ID. As an American I was expecting resistance but they were actually very welcoming and it took less than an hour to set up the new account. I can only speculate that having all three ID's helped smooth the way.

 

I was recently inquiring about getting a tax ID but, as someone else mentioned, my tax ID is my pink ID. I saved some money and effort not getting a tax ID.

 

 

I have read accounts of other's (on a new Visa such as LTR or DTV) that when the visas first came out, they could only open a Bank Account at Krungsri bank (in Phuket) if they could show a Yellow-book/Pink-ID in ADDITION to showing one's passport/Visa. 

 

I have also opened accounts at Krungsri in Phuket  (when on a type-O/OA visa) but I can't recall if they asked for my pink-ID/yellow book (in addition to passport). They might have. I simply can not recall.

 

I do recall at Bangkok bank branch in Phuket, when on a Type-O visa 1-year extension, and I tried to buy a Thai government bond (which I needed as part of my meeting part of an LTR visa application criteria) that the Bank Manager of that branch would ONLY let me buy the bond if I had a Yellow-book and Pink ID (which I had).

 

Then when buying the Thai government bond, the teller at the counter filling in the online form, reached an impasse,when the form insisted I provide a Thai Tax ID (which I did not have).  My Thai wife suggested they use my Pink-ID number (as the tax ID #) and the online computer form accepted that #. I eventually obtained the government bond.

 

Over 1/2 year later, my wife out of curiousity, entered my pink-ID number as the tax ID # in an online Thai tax form (for a tax return), and the number was IMMEDIATELY rejected.

 

A subsequent chat with a Phuket RD (tax) official indicated that for a pink-ID # to be used as a tax-ID, it must first be activated as such - and in the case of my pink-ID, that # has not been activated. .. Nor did the official think I needed to activate it as a tax-ID (but that is another story).

 

I can only assume that the Bank of Thailand form (for buying a Thai government bond,  where the Bangkok Bank teller used my pink-ID# to get me a Thai government bond) did not check to see if my pink-ID # was activated to be also used as a Thai tax ID #.

 

I have also obtained some trivial discounts at some Thai park/venues by my having a Pink-ID, but frankly the amount saved is trivial and not worth while to get the Pink-ID.  However the Pink-ID did come in handy for getting the government bond.