Why do decent Americans support trump

[cdemundo]

11 hours ago, mogandave said:

No more than anyone else. 

He has not proven those things to me.

No, if I wanted a President with no respct for democracy I would vote for Harris. 

If I wanted to give the government more control I would be a leftist, I want the people tonhave more control, that’s why I support Trump.

"He has not proven those things to me."

 

Are you waiting for a big strong man to come up to you with tears in his eyes, hug you, thank you for all you do,

and then tell you that Trump is a compulsive (and obvious) liar?

[RocketDog]

On 10/29/2024 at 12:59 PM, Berkshire said:

This post pretty much explains it.  Trump supporters buy into the lies.  Not just about Trump, but about his political opponents.  As for the question about "decent Americans".....I suppose anyone can fall for a scam or con. 

Yeah, I guess, but twice?

[Jingthing]

A big motivation for maga cultists is to hurt other people.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/1/2024 at 1:47 PM, HonestQuietTom said:

3. She is going to put more pressure on Netanyahu than Trump will (she's the least worst option)

She has done nothing to prove that she would.

If netanyahu gave the bird to Biden, he's certainly not going to bow to her.

On 11/1/2024 at 1:47 PM, HonestQuietTom said:

4. She has proposed sound pro business policies (e.g. $50,000 tax break for new business)

Shoring up businesses with other people's money only staves off the inevitable. The US claims to be a capitalist society. Harris wants to make it socialist, with other people's money.

 

On 11/1/2024 at 1:47 PM, HonestQuietTom said:

5. She supports (and will attempt to codify) a woman's right to choose

She does not control the SCOTUS.

 

On 11/1/2024 at 1:47 PM, HonestQuietTom said:

8. She is more likely to fix the Supreme Court situation (excessive politicisation / ethical breaches by sitting judges)

She does not control the SCOTUS.

 

On 11/1/2024 at 1:47 PM, HonestQuietTom said:

11. Finally and most importantly - I believe she will concede if she loses (i.e. she believes in the constitution)

Did Trump have to be removed by gunpoint from the W H?

[pattayasan]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

She has done nothing to prove that she would.

If netanyahu gave the bird to Biden, he's certainly not going to bow to her.

Shoring up businesses with other people's money only staves off the inevitable. The US claims to be a capitalist society. Harris wants to make it socialist, with other people's money.

 

She does not control the SCOTUS.

 

She does not control the SCOTUS.

 

Did Trump have to be removed by gunpoint from the W H?

 

A huge part of the peaceful transfer of power is to actually concede. It's only ever not happened once that I know of.

[HonestQuietTom]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

She has done nothing to prove that she would.

 

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If Netanyahu gave the bird to Biden, he's certainly not going to bow to her.

The difference is that the election will be in the rear view mirror. The October 7th terrorist attack was perfectly timed for Israel - a full year of unchecked retaliation due to the upcoming US election. I kind of think Joe Biden will finish up his presidency (if Harris wins) by coming out much much harder against Netanyahu (not Israel, but Netanyahu). Harris will pick up where he leaves off.

 

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Shoring up businesses with other people's money only staves off the inevitable. The US claims to be a capitalist society. Harris wants to make it socialist, with other people's money.

You oughta spend a minute to educate yourself on corporate welfare in the US.

 

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

She does not control the SCOTUS.

She doesn't need to control SCOTUS, she only needs to get the law passed in congress.

 

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

She does not control the SCOTUS.

Again, she does not need to control SCOTUS to implement changes to fix the politicisation and ethical issues

 

https://afj.org/why-courts-matter/supreme-court-reform/

 

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Did Trump have to be removed by gunpoint from the W H?

 

All but, all but.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, HonestQuietTom said:

 

The difference is that the election will be in the rear view mirror. The October 7th terrorist attack was perfectly timed for Israel - a full year of unchecked retaliation due to the upcoming US election. I kind of think Joe Biden will finish up his presidency (if Harris wins) by coming out much much harder against Netanyahu (not Israel, but Netanyahu). Harris will pick up where he leaves off.

 

You oughta spend a minute to educate yourself on corporate welfare in the US.

 

She doesn't need to control SCOTUS, she only needs to get the law passed in congress.

 

Again, she does not need to control SCOTUS to implement changes to fix the politicisation and ethical issues

 

https://afj.org/why-courts-matter/supreme-court-reform/

 

 

All but, all but.

I kind of think Joe Biden will finish up his presidency (if Harris wins) by coming out much much harder against Netanyahu (not Israel, but Netanyahu).

 

Biden is in lala land. IMO he'll only do something if his handlers tell him to and we don't know who they are.

 

You oughta spend a minute to educate yourself on corporate welfare in the US.

 

Perhaps but there's no need to promise other people's money when it depends on congress approving it. If it's a GOP controlled house good luck on that.

 

She doesn't need to control SCOTUS, she only needs to get the law passed in congress.

 

Needs a Dems controlled house to do that.

 

Again, she does not need to control SCOTUS to implement changes to fix the politicisation and ethical issues

 

Ditto, and that may need constitutional change- no chance of that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[allexx]

A couple of examples of what Trump accomplished during his time as president.

The best president since Ronald Reagan.

 

Trump has brokered four peace agreements in the Middle East, something that 71 years of political intervention and endless war failed to produce. Nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize by 3 separate world leaders.

Trump is the first president since Eisenhower not to engage the United States in a foreign war.

Trump promised to destroy ISIS, and kept his promise. Killed ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Iranian terrorist Qasem Soleimani. Something Obama promised to do, but failed to do.

Donald Trump has had the greatest positive impact on the economy, creating more jobs and lowering the unemployment rate for black and Latino populations than any other president. Ever!

 

Trump has exposed the deep, widespread and long-standing corruption within the FBI, CIA, NSA and the Democratic Party.

Donald Trump turned NATO around and made them start paying their signed dues.

Trump neutralized North Korea, prevented them from developing further nuclear weapons, stopped missiles at Japan and cannot threaten the US West Coast. Not a single nuclear test by Little Rocket man since they met.

Trump moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, something every president before him promised to do, but never dared to do.

Donald Trump is standing up to China, bringing hundreds of companies home to the US, and revitalizing the US economy far beyond anything his predecessors thought possible.

Trump has made the appointment of three judges to the Supreme Court and will soon have placed close to 300 federal judges on the federal bench.
 

Trump cut taxes as promised and sent the stock market soaring to record highs, benefiting retirees, tens of millions of citizens.

President Trump helped VA veterans get free and prompt healthcare.

Trump legislated "Second Chance" so that especially black prisoners are released from prison earlier when they were sentenced for an unsightly length of time for minor crimes. Young people who received years in prison for marijuana possession are now being released.

Donald Trump rebuilt the military that the Obama administration had disarmed, and Obama fired 214 key generals and admirals in his first year in office.

Trump exposed and clamped down on rampant illegal immigration and rampant sex and drug trafficking in the US and has now built over 400 miles of wall. Illegal immigration has now decreased.

Donald J. Trump trump worked for free, has given his salary every quarter to children and environmental funds about 465,000 dollars a quarter.

Trump has lost more than 2 billion dollars of his own money by not being allowed to run his companies as president - and did this for everyone in the United States in the face of immense hatred from the left who did not believe he would win and then succeed.
 

 

[HonestQuietTom]

27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I kind of think Joe Biden will finish up his presidency (if Harris wins) by coming out much much harder against Netanyahu (not Israel, but Netanyahu).

 

Biden is in lala land. IMO he'll only do something if his handlers tell him to and we don't know who they are.

 

Time will tell.

Pride is a powerful motivator and Biden, no doubt, is feeling incredibly indignant that the impending election has allowed Netanyahu to be so recalcitrant. 

 

27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You oughta spend a minute to educate yourself on corporate welfare in the US.

 

Perhaps but there's no need to promise other people's money when it depends on congress approving it. If it's a GOP controlled house good luck on that.

 

Other people's money?

 

How are Kamala's policies any different than Trumps (no tax on tips / no tax on overtime / no tax on social security / making car loans tax deductible)

 

Practically all government policy involves spending "other peoples money"

 

What a silly argument to make.

 

27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

She doesn't need to control SCOTUS, she only needs to get the law passed in congress.

 

Needs a Dems controlled house to do that.

 

No necessarily - there are female Republicans and nobody knows what will become of the Republican Party once Trump's cult is vanquished once and for all on November 5.

 

27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Again, she does not need to control SCOTUS to implement changes to fix the politicisation and ethical issues

 

Ditto, and that may need constitutional change- no chance of that.

 

 

No constitutional change required.

 

https://demandjustice.org/priorities/supreme-court-reform/

[watthong]

2 hours ago, allexx said:

A couple of examples of what Trump accomplished during his time as president.

The best president since Ronald Reagan.

 

Trump has brokered four peace agreements in the Middle East, something that 71 years of political intervention and endless war failed to produce. Nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize by 3 separate world leaders.

Trump is the first president since Eisenhower not to engage the United States in a foreign war.

Trump promised to destroy ISIS, and kept his promise. Killed ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Iranian terrorist Qasem Soleimani. Something Obama promised to do, but failed to do.

Donald Trump has had the greatest positive impact on the economy, creating more jobs and lowering the unemployment rate for black and Latino populations than any other president. Ever!

 

Trump has exposed the deep, widespread and long-standing corruption within the FBI, CIA, NSA and the Democratic Party.

Donald Trump turned NATO around and made them start paying their signed dues.

Trump neutralized North Korea, prevented them from developing further nuclear weapons, stopped missiles at Japan and cannot threaten the US West Coast. Not a single nuclear test by Little Rocket man since they met.

Trump moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, something every president before him promised to do, but never dared to do.

Donald Trump is standing up to China, bringing hundreds of companies home to the US, and revitalizing the US economy far beyond anything his predecessors thought possible.

Trump has made the appointment of three judges to the Supreme Court and will soon have placed close to 300 federal judges on the federal bench.
 

Trump cut taxes as promised and sent the stock market soaring to record highs, benefiting retirees, tens of millions of citizens.

President Trump helped VA veterans get free and prompt healthcare.

Trump legislated "Second Chance" so that especially black prisoners are released from prison earlier when they were sentenced for an unsightly length of time for minor crimes. Young people who received years in prison for marijuana possession are now being released.

Donald Trump rebuilt the military that the Obama administration had disarmed, and Obama fired 214 key generals and admirals in his first year in office.

Trump exposed and clamped down on rampant illegal immigration and rampant sex and drug trafficking in the US and has now built over 400 miles of wall. Illegal immigration has now decreased.

Donald J. Trump trump worked for free, has given his salary every quarter to children and environmental funds about 465,000 dollars a quarter.

Trump has lost more than 2 billion dollars of his own money by not being allowed to run his companies as president - and did this for everyone in the United States in the face of immense hatred from the left who did not believe he would win and then succeed.
 

 

 

Oh it's twue, it's twue, it's twue! - Lily von Schtupp in "Blazing Saddles."

Seriously folks, it seems over at UN  the audience thought  otherwise...

 

 

[G_Money]

On 10/30/2024 at 3:55 PM, mogandave said:

 You lied and now you lie again when you get called out for lying, 

 

Typical dishonest leftist 

He’s notorious for that.  Along with ignoring and deflecting when confronted.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, G_Money said:

He’s notorious for that.  Along with ignoring and deflecting when confronted.

Blimey, you can talk........................

[BeastOfBodmin]

On 10/29/2024 at 12:27 PM, xylophone said:

– Why do you throw your support behind a convicted felon, and yes they are bona fide convictions and not from "lefties" as you tend to label them?

Which felonies are these?

[mogandave]

3 minutes ago, BeastOfBodmin said:

Which felonies are these?

You remember, the bookkeeping 

[transam]

27 minutes ago, watthong said:

 

Oh it's twue, it's twue, it's twue! - Lily von Schtupp in "Blazing Saddles."

Seriously folks, it seems over at UN  the audience thought  otherwise...

 

 

The bloke just cannot stop lying....Soooooo embarrassing...........🤥

[G_Money]

On 10/31/2024 at 6:19 PM, pattayasan said:

 

This kind of change?

 

Oil and gas tycoons made significant contributions to the Trump campaign after the former president asked the industry for $1 billion to support his reelection bid — and reportedly said it would be a “deal” for them to do so.

 

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4961820-oil-bigwigs-open-wallets-for-trump-after-billion-dollar-request/

Much prefer oil and gas development to the leftist nutters that want to ban gas stoves.

 

Drill baby Drill 

[Sigmund]

If decent people are turning Trump, it means that his opponents in power today are really bad.

 

This also a sentiment on what most people in Europe and around the world are feeling.

 

I talked some years ago with the top manager of a pension fund in Europe that was one of the few doing really well.

 

Had he been in the US , he would have voten for the Democrats no doubt.

 

But he plainly admitted that the entire pension fund portfolio had never had such high yields as during Trump's time in office,

 

So like Trump or not, but the best for global economy and our wallets is to have Trump back in office.

 

He does not need wars to get money or kickbacks from arms lobbies as he just wants to do business, no matter with who,

 

And that's the point at the end of the day, You take care of your wallet, your spending power, your people and of your own and you save the world if there is any change left.

 

Let's forget all our judeo christian education based on guilt, reprimand and submission.

 

Let's think of ourselves, our wallet and spending power and let's not give a hoot on the rubbish of the Biden clan and their institutionnal scam against that once great country America. (that was really long ago).

 

If I could, I would vote Trump for sure, despite that I really do not like the man whatsoever...but we really love his hot wife.

[pattayasan]

The stock market is much higher now so his portfolio yields would be much higher now. Pop goes your argument.

[BeastOfBodmin]

7 minutes ago, mogandave said:

You remember, the bookkeeping 

I understand he (or his lawyers) have spent a lot of time in courtrooms over the years. I was wondering if any cases found against him before the recent batch where he was convicted on several (all?) counts, yet stayed out of jail.

[G_Money]

Another reason is they’re seeing the BS the leftist MSM is putting out.

 

Naturally the leftists will go bananas when reading this with “Fox was fined! Fox was fined!”.  Read and weep!
 

I’ll throw you a box of Kleenex.

 

This was the October surprise!

 

 

Edited November 2 by G_Money

[BruceWayne]

Choice is between and arrogant old boomtard and a hussy who allegedly gives great bjs but seems drunk all the time.

 

Best to not think about it too much and to just enjoy the show

 

The final season of hit show 'USA' incoming....

 

 

 

Edited November 2 by BruceWayne

[HonestQuietTom]

21 minutes ago, Sigmund said:

If decent people are turning Trump, it means that his opponents in power today are really bad.

 

This also a sentiment on what most people in Europe and around the world are feeling.

 

I talked some years ago with the top manager of a pension fund in Europe that was one of the few doing really well.

 

Had he been in the US , he would have voten for the Democrats no doubt.

 

But he plainly admitted that the entire pension fund portfolio had never had such high yields as during Trump's time in office,

 

So like Trump or not, but the best for global economy and our wallets is to have Trump back in office.

 

He does not need wars to get money or kickbacks from arms lobbies as he just wants to do business, no matter with who,

 

And that's the point at the end of the day, You take care of your wallet, your spending power, your people and of your own and you save the world if there is any change left.

 

Let's forget all our judeo christian education based on guilt, reprimand and submission.

 

Let's think of ourselves, our wallet and spending power and let's not give a hoot on the rubbish of the Biden clan and their institutionnal scam against that once great country America. (that was really long ago).

 

If I could, I would vote Trump for sure, despite that I really do not like the man whatsoever...but we really love his hot wife.

Nonsense.

 

It wasn't Trump's economy - it was Obama's.

All trump did was crash it during his historically inept handling of covid.

 

20% tariffs on all products coming into the US is monumentally stupid.

[transam]

24 minutes ago, BruceWayne said:

Choice is between and arrogant old boomtard and a hussy who allegedly gives great bjs but seems drunk all the time.

 

Best to not think about it too much and to just enjoy the show

 

The final season of hit show 'USA' incoming....

 

 

 

 

"Sad" post, Burt, are you 15.........?.....🥴

[mogandave]

19 minutes ago, HonestQuietTom said:

Nonsense.

 

It wasn't Trump's economy - it was Obama's.

All trump did was crash it during his historically inept handling of covid.

 

20% tariffs on all products coming into the US is monumentally stupid.

Trump had Obama’s economy, and Biden has Trump’s? 

 

 

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, BeastOfBodmin said:

Which felonies are these?

There were 34 felony counts in all...........

 

1). On May 30, 2024, Trump became the first U.S. president to become a convicted felon. A unamimous 12-person jury found that Trump fraudulently disguised those installments as corporate legal expenses in violation of New York law. The jurors said they unanimously agreed that Trump falsified business records to conceal a $130,000 hush money payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels to influence the outcome of the 2016 election.

 

There were 34 felony counts in all. Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York.

 

Below is just one of plenty of links to the Felon trump.

 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-trial-deliberations-jury-testimony-verdict-85558c6d08efb434d05b694364470aa0

 

2). NEW YORK (AP) — A judge Thursday ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million to an array of charities as a fine for misusing his own charitable foundation to further his political and business interests. He pleaded guilty. Last week, Justice Saliann Scarpulla of the New York Supreme Court ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million in restitution to charity after admitting to New York Attorney General Letitia James that he and his children had violated their fiduciary duties as officers and directors of the now-shuttered Donald J. Trump Foundation. As a result of that failure, charitable dollars — consistently and over many years — often benefited Trump rather than the causes the president has repeatedly claimed he supports.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/07/trump-charity-foundation-misuse-067411 Plenty more links to the crook who basically stole money from a charity.

 

www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-foundation-president-ordered-to-pay-2-million-by-new-york-judge-over-misuse-of-funds/

 

A summary:-- A Manhattan jury convicted former President Donald J. Trump in May of falsifying business records to cover up a hush-money payment to a porn star. He has been charged with dozens of other felonies across three additional cases: two federal and one in Georgia.

[HonestQuietTom]

47 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Trump had Obama’s economy, and Biden has Trump’s? 

Exactly.

The only difference was that Obama's economy was humming and Trump's was in the ditch

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/05/trump-obama-economy/

[Talon]

2 hours ago, mogandave said:

Trump had Obama’s economy, and Biden has Trump’s? 

 

 

 

It only goes one way for Leftists.

Cognitive Dissonance is still rampant in the Leftist camp.

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[mogandave]

1 hour ago, HonestQuietTom said:

Exactly.

The only difference was that Obama's economy was humming and Trump's was in the ditch

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/05/trump-obama-economy/

So Biden’s economy starts next year?

[Expat4life66]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

She has done nothing to prove that she would.

If netanyahu gave the bird to Biden, he's certainly not going to bow to her.

Shoring up businesses with other people's money only staves off the inevitable. The US claims to be a capitalist society. Harris wants to make it socialist, with other people's money.

 

She does not control the SCOTUS.

 

She does not control the SCOTUS.

 

Did Trump have to be removed by gunpoint from the W H?

She came out of that closed door meeting a couple of months ago looking like she got the panda treatment from Bibi and said nothing.  Kamila is running conflicting position ads in different states as reported by CNN.  She is a <deleted> show.   

Edited November 2 by Expat4life66