1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

I don't know if he's lying or misinformed, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

I did that the first 100 times he lied

21 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

The left has to destroy and disparage Kirk he represents everything that stops them.

The Left, the Right, the Left, the Right ......

 

The binary trap.

16 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Opposing fascism isn't hate speech.

 

The relentless mantra of labelling those you disagree with who hold moderate conservative viewpoints fascists, is the hate speech being referred to. Over half the US are not nazi's yet the hard left want to try and shame and silence them by saying they are. If you dont tone down the rhetoric, this could actually descend into civil war.

5 minutes ago, dannyb123 said:

 

The relentless mantra of labelling those you disagree with who hold moderate conservative viewpoints fascists, is the hate speech being referred to. Over half the US are not nazi's yet the hard left want to try and shame and silence them by saying they are. If you dont tone down the rhetoric, this could actually descend into civil war.

So in your opinion Charlie Kirk held moderate conservative viewpoints?

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So in your opinion Charlie Kirk held moderate conservative viewpoints?

If he is, he has a very poor relationship with reality.

37 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So in your opinion Charlie Kirk held moderate conservative viewpoints?

Mostly, yes.  Espousing Christian values in a country where Christianity is the number one religion is not extreme.  Let me think of some of his viewpoints and how radical they are;

 

Marriage is good.

Having kids in a marriage is good.

Abortion is evil and should be minimized. But women who get abortions should not be punished.

There are two genders.

Women's rights to safety and women only spaces should be respected.

Affirmative action is not good for anyone.

 

Yep, pretty radical...

19 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Mostly, yes.  Espousing Christian values in a country where Christianity is the number one religion is not extreme.  Let me think of some of his viewpoints and how radical they are;

 

Marriage is good.

Having kids in a marriage is good.

Abortion is evil and should be minimized. But women who get abortions should not be punished.

There are two genders.

Women's rights to safety and women only spaces should be respected.

Affirmative action is not good for anyone.

 

Yep, pretty radical...

Why are you not mentioning his more extreme viewpoints?

 

So according to you, he held mostly moderate conservative viewpoints. How about his non mostly viewpoints?

17 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

How many times has Trump used the word "horrible" to publicly describe political opponents, interviewers and anyone else who takes the piss out of his hopeless need for blind adulation and unshakeable sycophancy?

 

After all, '... to state such a thing implies the person making such a statement themself is somewhat distasteful themself."

 

Does that in any way justify the poor accusation levied by someone else...  

 

.... "but Mom, Billy pushed me first"....    

 

 

17 hours ago, Jingthing said:

17 hours ago, TedG said:

 

Hate speech from people like you influenced the assassin.

Opposing fascism isn't hate speech.

 

But falsely accusing someone of being a fascist is... 

 

 

On 9/20/2025 at 11:13 AM, Jingthing said:

Here's proof.

 

 

And yet the vile dystopian extremist forces of the shambolic Trump (best friend of Epstein) regime and those trying to whitewash how obnoxious and hateful Kirk REALLY was are trying to CANCEL anyone (getting them fired, etc.) who just shows and opines about EXACTLY what Kirk said in his life. Also they're trying (and largely succeeding) in making a person who was extremely far away from being a saint into a kind of magalicious (sic) martyr-saint. The hypocristy is stunning.

That is disgusting and even some right wingers like Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz get that.

 

He spoke the truth which of course the left did not like

6 hours ago, bunnydrops said:

I just wonder how Kirk knew that one of those white pilots wasn't the Boss's wife's sister's son who was looking for a job. I am sure that before Affirmative Action, many more qualified black people got overlooked to hire a white guy. So, to wonder if that black pilot was qualified solely because of his color was racist.

 

No, thats flawed. His [Kirk's] stance is clear - any advantage beyond pure meritocracy is wrong... It really is just that simple. 

 

I don't disagree that there has been 'advantage' in the past, that nepotism has existed and that racial preference in the work place has also existed - however, none of that justifies any advantage in todays world. 

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

So in your opinion Charlie Kirk held moderate conservative viewpoints?

Define moderate conservative viewpoints? 

Meritocracy

Smaller government

Personal responsibility

Lower taxes

Law and order

Support Constitutional rights

Anti-abortion

Marriage between a man and a woman

Schools should focus on educating children

No men in girls' sports

No mutilating children

 

I say yes, these are the views he held. 

 

 

 

 

 

22 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

What is hateful about MAGA ideology?

 

And what is it about being a white Christion that want what they think is best for their country?

 

It is worth noting, that the most everything good in the world in regard to human rights, is a direct result of actions taken by white, Christion, nationalists. 

 

Not going to bite.

 

56 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Why are you not mentioning his more extreme viewpoints?

 

So according to you, he held mostly moderate conservative viewpoints. How about his non mostly viewpoints?

What were his extreme viewpoints? 

 

Incidentally. the NYT just had to retract a lie they were telling about a dead man, the day after he was killed. 

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

 

Not going to bite.

Of course you're not, you have no teeth, you'd just get eaten up. 

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Of course you're not, you have no teeth, you'd just get eaten up. 

 

Nope. Not doing to feed your BS, deflection and other propaganda memes. Sufficient to say I view MAGA as extremely detrimental to the future of democracy in the US / worldwide.

7 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Nope. Not doing to feed your BS, deflection and other propaganda memes. Sufficient to say I view MAGA as extremely detrimental to the future of democracy in the US / worldwide.

Well, that certainly proves it. Carry on in your bliss, lefty. 

27 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Define moderate conservative viewpoints? 

Meritocracy

Smaller government

Personal responsibility

Lower taxes

Law and order

Support Constitutional rights

Anti-abortion

Marriage between a man and a woman

Schools should focus on educating children

No men in girls' sports

No mutilating children

 

I say yes, these are the views he held. 

 

 

 

 

 

And those are the only viewpoints he held? Why are so many here squirting around the issue? Afraid he isn't the hero he's portrait to be?

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

And those are the only viewpoints he held? Why are so many here squirting around the issue? Afraid he isn't the hero he's portrait to be?

I'm trying to discuss it. Lefty just runs away. 

16 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

Yes, that is the basis of all the accusations that Charlie Kirk was racist and otherwise a "horrible" person.  Sound bites were taken out of context.  Kirk was critical of affirmative action and certain aspects of modern Black culture, but he didn't believe African Americans were racially inferior to whites.

 

Kirk held traditional conservative Christian values regarding the role of women in marriage as well as the "sinfulness" of homosexuality or transitioning to the opposite sex.  Many today disagree with his objections to certain lifestyles on religious grounds, but again, that doesn't make him "horrible."

 

Kirk served as an effective counterweight to the wave of "woke" ideology that began sweeping across the U.S. after the death of George Floyd.  That's really what made him seem horrible in the eyes of some.

Ignoring this: He agreed with a statement from the bible that says kill homosexuals. Which is idiotic and in doing so, shows he is a nasty piece of work

2 hours ago, dannyb123 said:

 

The relentless mantra of labelling those you disagree with who hold moderate conservative viewpoints fascists, is the hate speech being referred to. Over half the US are not nazi's yet the hard left want to try and shame and silence them by saying they are. If you dont tone down the rhetoric, this could actually descend into civil war.

Ignoring this: He agreed with a statement from the bible that says kill homosexuals. Which is idiotic and in doing so, shows he is a nasty piece of work

1 hour ago, Photoguy21 said:

He spoke the truth which of course the left did not like

Ignoring this: He agreed with a statement from the bible that says kill homosexuals. Which is idiotic and in doing so, shows he is a nasty piece of work

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I'm trying to discuss it. Lefty just runs away. 

No you're not, you're averting the issue. I'm not a lefty btw, nor do i feel the need to label everyone. But coming from you I'll wear the badge with honour.

26 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Well, that certainly proves it. Carry on in your bliss, lefty. 

 

It occurs to me more that a few MAGA supporters are politically very ignorant and easily manipulated by Stephen Miller and Co. I do not believe Trump has the political smarts, just channeling evil from his "advisers"

21 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Ignoring this: He agreed with a statement from the bible that says kill homosexuals. Which is idiotic and in doing so, shows he is a nasty piece of work

No, he does not agree homosexuals should be killed. 

10 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

It occurs to me more that a few MAGA supporters are politically very ignorant and easily manipulated by Stephen Miller and Co. I do not believe Trump has the political smarts, just channeling evil from his "advisers"

You are a really high IQ leftist, that's why you are terrified of getting into an actual discussion with a dumba** MAGA like me. 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

What were his extreme viewpoints? 

 

Incidentally. the NYT just had to retract a lie they were telling about a dead man, the day after he was killed. 

And that's what the SSM (Sane Stream Media) does, they correct themselves when they get something wrong, as opposed to the MAGA media, who does no such thing.

1 hour ago, Old Croc said:

 

 

"How you die does not redeem how you lived."

 

This.

38 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Ignoring this: He agreed with a statement from the bible that says kill homosexuals. Which is idiotic and in doing so, shows he is a nasty piece of work

He never actually said that but even if he did that was no reason to kill him. Maybe you and me don't like certain things which is normal but it doesn't justify murder. You should be able to quote verses from the bible without the fear some nut job is going to kill you.