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1 hour ago, Sandboxer said:

He was basically a nice guy who didn't deserve to be killed, but two things can be true at the same time in that the world may also be better off now depending on one's perception of what is "too" harmful to society.

 

By all accounts, Hitler was a very nice guy too, to most folks.

Of course no political violence is OK with the exception of if you're in an actual war. For example the French resistance killing Nazis was more than acceptable. The USA isn't there yet to an actually hot civil war (definitely a cooler one) and hopefully that won't ever happen but it could.

You do pose an interesting quesion about whether the world will be better off without him.

That likely depends of your personal perspective, but I think not.

As successful as his far right wing propaganda had been with young people, it seems to me that he is now being made into a mythical martyr-saint will probably amplify his dark dystopian ideology to many more people he would have never reached while alive and with a much greater time impact. My prediction of a national holiday for him stands. 

 

10 minutes ago, thesetat said:

Haha.... you are really lost in your quest to make Kirk into someone who deserved killing in front of so many youngsters. You seem to be more filled with hate and bigotry than Kirk was. But, you of all people should know the VDO you posted is full of twisting facts to suit the needs of (of all things) biased women. Why don't you just go get VDOs of Whoopi and post them. They should be touting the same bigotry and hate you seem to want to see. 

STOP LYING!!!!!

I never ever said that he deserved to be killed.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

STOP LYING!!!!!

I never ever said that he deserved to be killed.

but...

Just now, Yellowtail said:

but...

but what?

Yo mama?

48 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

As a high IQ leftist, that's all it takes for you. You do not have to consider a position, or formulate a response, you only care about who says it. 

 

When Obama said marriage should be between a man and a woman, and that God was in the mix, he was the greatest statesman in the history of the world. 

 

When Kirk said marriage should be between a man and a woman, and that God was in the mix, he was the devil incarnate.

 

 

 

Wow a serious post that went all over the place  ...

You guys need to take a walk in the park 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

No, he wasn't a horrible person just because his politics differ from yours. 

 

Its entirely possible for people to have different beliefs without making them 'horrible'... to state such a thing implies the person making such a statement themself is somewhat distasteful themself.

 

Additionally, only the dim-witted are inclined to make such a sweeping statement of a person who has debated many topics, surely we, you, others, don't disagree with everything Charlie Kirk debated - many of his opinions were sound, others wholly objectionable. 

 

This idea that you are either 'with him' or 'against him' and that makes him 'good' or 'bad' (horrible) is fundamentally flawed and intellectually dishonest.

 

 

 

Have to disagree. He expressed the extreme right of white Christian nationalism. Personally I cannot think of any "good" emanating from people like him. Yes he encouraged dialogue. However, in my opinion the purpose of which was to convince people of MAGA's hateful ideology. Some detail of his appalling POV...

 

'Not about healing': Black Caucus hits out at Charlie Kirk honor

For one, I consider myself right-of-center, and I don't agree with everything Kirk argued for. In fact some of his arguments probably would not survive a higher level of debate.

 

That said, debate was his forte, so his sound-bites plucked out of context will sound very offensive. If you zoom out a bit you may see a different picture.

28 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Of course no political violence is OK with the exception of if you're in an actual war. For example the French resistance killing Nazis was more than acceptable. The USA isn't there yet to an actually hot civil war (definitely a cooler one) and hopefully that won't ever happen but it could.

 

 

    If Kirk was alive in 1940's Germany .

Would it be OK for the opposition to kill him ?

   

 ( P.S Don't run away from the question replying with "Troll bait ignored*)

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

 

Have to disagree. He expressed the extreme right of white Christian nationalism. Personally I cannot think of any "good" emanating from people like him. Yes he encouraged dialogue. However, in my opinion the purpose of which was to convince people of MAGA's hateful ideology.

What is hateful about MAGA ideology?

 

And what is it about being a white Christion that want what they think is best for their country?

 

It is worth noting, that the most everything good in the world in regard to human rights, is a direct result of actions taken by white, Christion, nationalists. 

Kind of funny how much discourse, tantrums, accusations, self-righteous statments that get flung around on forums and the internet claiming to be "the truth". It's all subjective, including the truth (just a person's way of viewing something and rationalising it in a certain way so they can operate and not get mentally unstable)... one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter etc. Good and bad or right/wrong is all subjective... it's a point of view. 

It's the same with many topics that people bicker about. Take music, fashion, or beauty etc... there is no such thing as good or bad music, a beautiful woman or handsome man etc., it's just what you think is good or bad music or what you think is beautiful or not. Music is just music, you are free to like it or not in whatever form it exists... beauty is even worse, there is no such thing, just what MSM/society pushes as beautiful norms or not. Same goes for politics and so many squabble over such nonsense trying to control the nartrative for their own ends... you need to cut through the fake static and self-righteous nonsense so many say, as it's all BS.

What you believe is what you believe... but it only makes it right or wrong for you, as ultimately it's an illusion... like choice is. What I believe to be right or wrong is dismissed as alien by those from different religions/cultures or whatever. The reason people think like this is because having a "good beed on things" that they think is right helps them order the chaos around them... but it doesn't make them right.

Why do you think there are so many wars and disagreements between peoples/countries... because everyone thinks they are right without realising that actually there is no truth any further than a set of certain given set of action that happen at a certain point in time... how you interpret it is what forms your "truth" so that it makes you comfortable in your existence, but it doesn't make you "right/wrong" if there is even such a thing.

11 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Have to disagree. He expressed the extreme right of white Christian nationalism. Personally I cannot think of any "good" emanating from people like him. Yes he encouraged dialogue. However, in my opinion the purpose of which was to convince people of MAGA's hateful ideology.

I haven't seen where he promoted hate in any way. If you look at his videos , and not look at him being on the right, he's promoting life, family, free speech for everyone. Pointing out that whoever chooses to commit a crime, that it's on them and you can't blame anyone else. That you are born either a man or a woman, and no amount of thinking can change the fact that that is what you'll remain, no matter what surgeries or drugs you take. I haven't seen any prejudice in his words. He's definitely on the right side, bu not an extremist. Maga means make America great, and that doesn't mean hatred as all Americans should think this way, no matter what side they're on. Not wanting LGBTQ doesn't mean you hate those who choose it, but that you see it as wrong, and it's an opinion that doesn't deserve what happened to him. 

59 minutes ago, DezLez said:

I did not know that anyone had been found guilty of his death yet!

Confessed to his dad lol

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

The left has to destroy and disparage Kirk he represents everything that stops them.

The continuing insistence that there is an actual "left-wing" in America. All I see is a carload of Centrists.

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I haven't seen where he promoted hate in any way. If you look at his videos , and not look at him being on the right, he's promoting life, family, free speech for everyone. Pointing out that whoever chooses to commit a crime, that it's on them and you can't blame anyone else. That you are born either a man or a woman, and no amount of thinking can change the fact that that is what you'll remain, no matter what surgeries or drugs you take. I haven't seen any prejudice in his words. He's definitely on the right side, bu not an extremist. Maga means make America great, and that doesn't mean hatred as all Americans should think this way, no matter what side they're on. Not wanting LGBTQ doesn't mean you hate those who choose it, but that you see it as wrong, and it's an opinion that doesn't deserve what happened to him. 

Is the Koolaid tasty?

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Is the Koolaid tasty?

Another nickle coming my way for yet another assumption. 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Irrelevant.

It's the way the Nazis EXPLOTED it that is the point.

Very similary to what the maga fascists are trying to do.

The point I was indirectly making is that it has always been thought that Hitler was behind that fire given how much he befitted from it.  You may wish to make your own parallels with that incident to Trump and the death of Kirk if you so wish!

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

So he confessed to his dad for no reason lol you really are dumb.

Go back to school and learn to read!

6 minutes ago, DezLez said:

The point I was indirectly making is that it has always been thought that Hitler was behind that fire given how much he befitted from it.  You may wish to make your own parallels with that incident to Trump and the death of Kirk if you so wish!

Yeah I knew that.

I don't see any evidence of that in this case but again it doesn't really matter as far as the propaganda value for the maga fascists.

In this context it's worth noting that it's widely accepted as probably true that Putin initially grabbed dictatorial power by bombing his own people's apartment buildings and calling it terrorism. 

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Here's proof.

 

 

And yet the vile dystopian extremist forces of the shambolic Trump (best friend of Epstein) regime and those trying to whitewash how obnoxious and hateful Kirk REALLY was are trying to CANCEL anyone (getting them fired, etc.) who just shows and opines about EXACTLY what Kirk said in his life. Also they're trying (and largely succeeding) in making a person who was extremely far away from being a saint into a kind of magalicious (sic) martyr-saint. The hypocristy is stunning.

That is disgusting and even some right wingers like Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz get that.

 

😂. You’re citing the most hatefully malicious news on the air (CNN) as being factual?  Really?  You probably also believe that Jimmy Kimmel’s hate rhetoric is acceptable?  The point of DEI being detrimental to the country is on point.  If we don’t hire people based on merit, where would we be?  You think the NBA would hire a 5 foot man from China who couldn’t make a basket? The fact that Brown could not define a woman in itself  makes her unqualified for SCOTUS.

The term “Nazi” or “Fascist” is hate speech that spurs people to commit violent acts.  Please tell me why hate groups like BLM and ANTIFA feel the need to burn down and pillage cities in the name of a career criminal and drug addict in George Floyd while Conservatives answer Charlie Kirk’s death with sorrow and prayer?  The division in this country is fueled by the radical Democrats that intimidate the logical Democrats into siding with them.

This is not the Democrat Party I grew up watching.  Far from it. They are a sick, perverted version of it.  They are without goals, logic, or leadership. They embrace only pure hatred for Trump and Conservatives.  They continue to double down on this stance and try to get the rest of the country to side with them.  THAT is exactly what Hitler did!

Just now, DezLez said:

Go back to school and learn to read!

You never finished school KW.

2 minutes ago, Jon Jones said:

😂. You’re citing the most hatefully malicious news on the air (CNN) as being factual?  Really?  You probably also believe that Jimmy Kimmel’s hate rhetoric is acceptable?  The point of DEI being detrimental to the country is on point.  If we don’t hire people based on merit, where would we be?  You think the NBA would hire a 5 foot man from China who couldn’t make a basket? The fact that Brown could not define a woman in itself  makes her unqualified for SCOTUS.

The term “Nazi” or “Fascist” is hate speech that spurs people to commit violent acts.  Please tell me why hate groups like BLM and ANTIFA feel the need to burn down and pillage cities in the name of a career criminal and drug addict in George Floyd while Conservatives answer Charlie Kirk’s death with sorrow and prayer?  The division in this country is fueled by the radical Democrats that intimidate the logical Democrats into siding with them.

This is not the Democrat Party I grew up watching.  Far from it. They are a sick, perverted version of it.  They are without goals, logic, or leadership. They embrace only pure hatred for Trump and Conservatives.  They continue to double down on this stance and try to get the rest of the country to side with them.  THAT is exactly what Hitler did!

You didn't watch the video.

So many strong, clear and concise responses from the high IQ left. 

Just now, Jingthing said:

You didn't watch the video.

I have watched hours and hours of Charie Kirk over the years. I bet you have not watched ten minutes. 

25 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    If Kirk was alive in 1940's Germany .

Would it be OK for the opposition to kill him ?

   

 ( P.S Don't run away from the question replying with "Troll bait ignored*)

Are you saying that if Kirk was alive in 1940's Germany he'd be a Nazi?

Insanity and shameful. 

2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

So he confessed to his dad for no reason lol you really are dumb.

We weren't there so no one knows exactly what was said. He feared for his life and didn't want to be shot by the police is more believable. Anything else is hearsay. Turning himself in has him safe in custody, from the police and anyone else who would be after him. It also has him sitting pretty quietly while others who might be involved are incognito. Of course it could be as simple as he was the shooter, but from what we see, that video doesn't show him with a rifle, the rifle found hasn't been proven ballistically as the weapon, and those texts do not sound like they are coming from someone his age, although they do make the boyfriend sound un-involved. This might be a lot different than you think, or again, very simple.

I bet Shapiro will be avoiding outdoor events. He likes the indoor stuff.

Pretty soon you Mango Mussolini followers are telling that Laura Loomers is a fine person as well, trying to unify the States.

An other thing about those here claiming Kirk was a debater, he was not. He would talk fast to college kids claiming to recite the Bible while telling a story that was far from the part of the Bible he was quoting. He just rambled some names said a few words that sounded good and moved on.

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

Are you saying that if Kirk was alive in 1940's Germany he'd be a Nazi?

You didn't ask me but my answer is DEFINITELY.