Easy.

 

The Elites cookin up new disasters that'll cull the herd.

 

Useless eaters / consumers in the pot, slow boilin right now, with all the trickery and mind ops turning their brain to jello.

 

People best wake their a$$$ up.

 

 

37 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

When you write it or research it yourself you learn it. When you have somebody or something else do it for you, you don't.

Good shout. At school arithmetic and the rest of maths were different subjects/exams.  In arithmetic one of the papers had to be done manually, showing workings, with no calculator allowed.  Guess what?  I can still count and rarely use a calculator for basic arithmetic.  Doubt that's very common now.

My new startup AI company is starting to do well.  Our main product is self-repairing source code.  Check out my web site.

 

www.Skynet.ai.com

With declining and aging populations, as many countries are seeing, AI could well be a lifesaver.  There will always be some jobs that require human oversight, at least, and those qualified to do them will continue to have work.  The remainder of the increasingly shrinking working population can be employed in elderly care roles.

 

AI will not  result in the loss of all jobs for all people. ( At least not until it realises humanity is wastful and has no real purpose). There will always be jobs for much of the population. Those without specific skills, nor the will to learn them, and others who  cant or refuse to work will over extend social welfare as it now exists. 

The concept of a guarenteed basic income is not new. Obviously it can't pay the 100k amount that has been suggested here, but more like a living wage. Willing and able workers can build on the basic sum all receive.

 Closure of all current allowance and pension schemes will save trillions and form much of the funding required. Income tax will still exist and of course Governments have many other sources of funding. ie VAT. There are taxes on almost everything.

 

From AI:

Switzerland held a referendum in 2016 where voters overwhelmingly rejected a proposal for a guaranteed basic income for all citizens, which would have provided an unconditional monthly payment regardless of employment status. The plan aimed to address issues like job automation but faced criticism for potentially undermining the work ethic.

Overview of the Basic Income Proposal in Switzerland

In June 2016, Switzerland held a referendum on a proposal for a guaranteed basic income for all citizens. The plan aimed to provide every adult with an unconditional monthly payment of 2,500 Swiss francs (approximately $2,555) and 625 Swiss francs for each child, regardless of employment status.

Voting Results

• Opposition: 77% of voters rejected the proposal.
• Support: Only 23% were in favor.

Arguments For and Against

• Advocates argued that the plan would help address job losses due to automation.
• They believed it would recognize unpaid work, such as caregiving, which constitutes a significant portion of labor.

Critics' Concerns

• Opponents claimed that disconnecting income from work could harm societal values.
• Concerns were raised about the potential influx of people moving to Switzerland for financial benefits.

3 hours ago, Slowhand225 said:

Skilled trades have nothing to worry about and almost zero debt when starting.

The idiots with liberal arts degrees will still be idiots.
If people can't see the change thats coming and plan for it, well, they deserve what they get.

 

"Skilled trades" such as welding, bricklaying, installing drywall, laying pipe, lumber cutting, etc. are already falling to a combination of AI/robotics. Of course, if you want to retrofit some old building and its wiring and plumbing, you might need a real person. But how many of those buildings are going to be around?

4 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Programmers are still doing quite well.

 

The uptake from tech companies for programmers is still very rapid, in case you do not know.

 

IMHO, it is still too early to say what the result may be.

 

But, there are many who are willing to shed their premature opinions, already....

 

You might like this guy...for example....

 

 

Programmers will be a thing of the past. True will develop of its own accord.

58 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

 

AI will not  result in the loss of all jobs for all people. ( At least not until it realises humanity is wastful and has no real purpose). There will always be jobs for much of the population. Those without specific skills, nor the will to learn them, and others who  cant or refuse to work will over extend social welfare as it now exists. 

The concept of a guarenteed basic income is not new. Obviously it can't pay the 100k amount that has been suggested here, but more like a living wage. Willing and able workers can build on the basic sum all receive.

 Closure of all current allowance and pension schemes will save trillions and form much of the funding required. Income tax will still exist and of course Governments have many other sources of funding. ie VAT. There are taxes on almost everything.

 

From AI:

Switzerland held a referendum in 2016 where voters overwhelmingly rejected a proposal for a guaranteed basic income for all citizens, which would have provided an unconditional monthly payment regardless of employment status. The plan aimed to address issues like job automation but faced criticism for potentially undermining the work ethic.

Overview of the Basic Income Proposal in Switzerland

In June 2016, Switzerland held a referendum on a proposal for a guaranteed basic income for all citizens. The plan aimed to provide every adult with an unconditional monthly payment of 2,500 Swiss francs (approximately $2,555) and 625 Swiss francs for each child, regardless of employment status.

Voting Results

• Opposition: 77% of voters rejected the proposal.
• Support: Only 23% were in favor.

Arguments For and Against

• Advocates argued that the plan would help address job losses due to automation.
• They believed it would recognize unpaid work, such as caregiving, which constitutes a significant portion of labor.

Critics' Concerns

• Opponents claimed that disconnecting income from work could harm societal values.
• Concerns were raised about the potential influx of people moving to Switzerland for financial benefits.

Oh, the irony. AI (very basic AI, not much more than a search engine) commenting on an AI thread.

I don't think we have seen real AI yet. The world will be very different in 5 years or less.

1 minute ago, emptypockets said:

Oh, the irony. AI commenting on an AI thread.

We're doomed!

It was a deliberate irony.

1 minute ago, Old Croc said:

It was a deliberate irony.

Of course it was.

The industrial revolution and automation removed the need for muscle from the workforce, but AI will remove the need for intelligence. There will still be a need for the basic workers but AI will gut out middle management.

One model being forcasted by some is that you will have your CEOs and top-tier board members etc. but then AI will do middle management and the supervision of the low-level workers, which means many people will find that their boss is an AI program that can fire you for being incompetent, not performing, or being useless. There will be massive job losses, especially in the public sector, as it is stuffed full of sub-par performing people who would never make it in the private sector... also, we won't need accountants, lawyers, advertising or marketing people, train drivers, even taxi drivers will eventually not be needed, to all sorts. However, there are always new opportunities, and those who can re-skill might fare better, but many older workers will simply be let go who just don't understand the new world realities. Some professions will be more resilient than others, but there is big change coming to all in one way or another... although many people are resistent to change as it is unfamiliar and poses a potential threat to people as it disrupts what they know and recognise as safe. There will be much disruption and discontent... as the old saying goes "Everything's fine, until it's not".

Furthermore, I think many are completely unaware of how fast this all might happen, and really, it is already happening to some extent and will just speed up through in the next few years. By 2030, a lot of this will be done and dusted as we will have AGI (Artifical General Intelligence) everywhere... may even have ASI in limited amounts by then or shortly after... predictions vary.

 

 

I've had a stack of legal work to do recently.........and whereas I would previous rely in a solicitor, I just have A1 daft everything then tweak to suit.

 

You can see how certain professions might be gutted.

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

This time, it's different.

Previous revolutionary technological advancements disrupted many people but then created even more new jobs and greater overall wealth related to the new technology.

Personally, my career didn't even exist until I was over 30. I couldn't have been involved in it earlier before. My general not technical liberal arts education prepared me to jump in when as soon as the change happened.

That was then. This is now.

AI will be a massive job disrupter (which is a massive understatement) but will other than a small number of AI manager types for the super skilled, the majority of those disrupted will not find that AI leads to new career paths.

I'm sure glad I didn't bother to learn to code! 

As a sometime-ex coder,  I was interested to see Bill Gates last week say that good computer development still needs human design.  Sure, AI can knock out the code in a few seconds but it still needs the designer to verify that it is actually performing the task required in the way intended.  I have found from personal experience that it can get 90% there quickly but the last 10% takes a long time to debug, instruct AI again, check, debug, etc.

4 minutes ago, IsaanT said:

As a sometime-ex coder,  I was interested to see Bill Gates last week say that good computer development still needs human design.  Sure, AI can knock out the code in a few seconds but it still needs the designer to verify that it is actually performing the task required in the way intended.  I have found from personal experience that it can get 90% there quickly but the last 10% takes a long time to debug, instruct AI again, check, debug, etc.

 

Know zip about it all......but I've had A1 write Apple scripts for simple tasks that have worked wonders........a suspect a million miles away from your knowledge and skills though.

 

Several posters have commented that universities will become obsolete and irrelevant because knowledge will no longer be needed.

I thought one of the main benefits of attending university was that it enhanced your ability to think, which is timeless.  How else could you deduce that AI has hallucinated or simply got it wrong?

 

Hopefully, AI will replace government jobs fastest. The IRS could be almost completely replaced. 

 

Jobs that require even simple robotics will take much longer. 

14 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Know zip about it all......but I've had A1 write Apple scripts for simple tasks that have worked wonders........a suspect a million miles away from your knowledge and skills though.

Simple tasks are fine.  AI will happily take on complex tasks but the results need careful scrutiny.

A few months back, I did many hours of work with ChatGPT and used it to develop something quite complex.  In the end, it was doing things that were seriously wide of the intended mark.  In exasperation, I asked it if it was confident with what it was doing or whether it was making it up.  It finally admitted that it was unable to do what I required efficiently and effectively and I stopped at that point (it was having trouble remembering exactly what earlier code modules were doing, and linking them all up to make the finished system).  What I was requesting was not unreasonable.

Sure, at the current rate of AI development, in a few years it will have the complex stuff sorted and then we will really need to be concerned about long-term career security for a large proportion of the working population.

 

48 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

The industrial revolution and automation removed the need for muscle from the workforce, but AI will remove the need for intelligence. There will still be a need for the basic workers but AI will gut out middle management.

One model being forcasted by some is that you will have your CEOs and top-tier board members etc. but then AI will do middle management and the supervision of the low-level workers, which means many people will find that their boss is an AI program that can fire you for being incompetent, not performing, or being useless. There will be massive job losses, especially in the public sector, as it is stuffed full of sub-par performing people who would never make it in the private sector... also, we won't need accountants, lawyers, advertising or marketing people, train drivers, even taxi drivers will eventually not be needed, to all sorts. However, there are always new opportunities, and those who can re-skill might fare better, but many older workers will simply be let go who just don't understand the new world realities. Some professions will be more resilient than others, but there is big change coming to all in one way or another... although many people are resistent to change as it is unfamiliar and poses a potential threat to people as it disrupts what they know and recognise as safe. There will be much disruption and discontent... as the old saying goes "Everything's fine, until it's not".

Furthermore, I think many are completely unaware of how fast this all might happen, and really, it is already happening to some extent and will just speed up through in the next few years. By 2030, a lot of this will be done and dusted as we will have AGI (Artifical General Intelligence) everywhere... may even have ASI in limited amounts by then or shortly after... predictions vary.

 

In two years, the world will be unrecognizable to most people now living.

23 minutes ago, IsaanT said:

As a sometime-ex coder,  I was interested to see Bill Gates last week say that good computer development still needs human design.  Sure, AI can knock out the code in a few seconds but it still needs the designer to verify that it is actually performing the task required in the way intended.  I have found from personal experience that it can get 90% there quickly but the last 10% takes a long time to debug, instruct AI again, check, debug, etc.

 

What does Bill Gates know about "good computer development?"

28 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

What does Bill Gates know about "good computer development?"

Yeah, right...

54 minutes ago, IsaanT said:

As a sometime-ex coder,  I was interested to see Bill Gates last week say that good computer development still needs human design.  Sure, AI can knock out the code in a few seconds but it still needs the designer to verify that it is actually performing the task required in the way intended.  I have found from personal experience that it can get 90% there quickly but the last 10% takes a long time to debug, instruct AI again, check, debug, etc.

Sure but it will need MUCH FEWER people to do the human part. 

Things are going to change a lot faster than people are prepared for. There will obviously be government and political implications. It seems to me that different countries will take a different path about that. Some will go much more socialist with base guaranteed income and free drugs to placate the masses, and others will go full on totalitarian to control the inevitable unrest and riots as the rich will become even richer and not want to share. I am not seeing a golden age where most people become intellectuals and poets. 

Then there are philosophical questions -- does the world really need so many people as they're being made obsolete?

7 hours ago, angryguy said:

 I can’t predict the job market because nobody knows its just speculation what the result of AI will be

Nah, you don't know. People who do understand what AI can do, know that it will be a massive change and a lot of job losses.

Historically, I don't think people foresaw the impact of technology on jobs. The changes came after technology took the jobs and people were clever enough to see new opportunities opening up.

Among my favorite lost jobs were waking people by knocking sticks on their bedroom windows (knocking people up). Replaced by the alarm clock.

300 million jobs could be taken by AI but people are only guessing what would happen rather than planning for it. There will be disruption first. Then a transformation as people change jobs. A large percent of jobs today did not exist in the early 20th century - think data scientists and social media managers. 

While AI can take on basic tasks such as receptionists, I cannot imagine it taking the work of HR Managers, lawyers, or teachers, where a measure of empathy is required.

AI used wisely really could bring on utopias.

But history and human nature tells us it's much more likely to create dystopias.

Oh well.

6 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

We will all become painter's and philosophers, sitting on a rock in a meadow and contemplating the world, the universe, and everything. Yeah, right.

 

If virtually nobody is working, there is no tax base. If there is no tax base, government has no income and producers have no customers or consumers. AI will be making stuff that nobody has any money to buy because they have no income, unless government introduces a UBI, but government has no tax payers to fund it.  Vicious circle.

 

Government must therefore control the value of "money" and strictly control supply as well as demand - resulting in a Marxist Utopia of equity for us all - except of course those elites of the Inner Party. Money will be a programable CBDC, obviously.

 

Government knows that idle hands make the devil's works, so a restless proletariat will not be tolerated. We won't be allowed to sit around and plot the overthrow of tyrannical power - expect enforced physical activities, compulsory membership of propagandised organisations, and government endorsed (enforced) use of Soma type drugs to keep us placid.  Think Huxley's Brave New World.

 

We will all be euphoric and happily sing Kumbaya while queuing for the next bowl of soylent green. 

There will be tax income from companies (who will make more money as they have to hire less people). companies who don't step into AI will become obsolete as they will become too expensive compared to others who do.

It will become very messy. Imagine studying for years to find out in your last year that your knowledge isn't needed anymore.

6 hours ago, Fact said:

It's an unaffordable concept.   It would cost $5 trillion to give $ 50,000 per year to 100,000,000 people.  I'm assuming 1/3 of a 300,000,000 population.  

They would never give 50K per year, a lot less but still expensive.

5 hours ago, angryguy said:

No idea what youre talking about. Youre a socialist euro

God you are a bore, why even bother posting such drivel?  

5 hours ago, Slowhand225 said:

Skilled trades have nothing to worry about and almost zero debt when starting.

Loads of skilled trades will be replaced by automation.