Scotland to become independent in March 2016 if referendum passes

[StreetCowboy]

...So what were Scots PM's Blair and Brown doing all those years to screw their own people ?

Like everyone else amongst us, they were tainted when they first set foot on English soil, and became turncoat villains of the Westminster conspiracy - a crime to which many of my peers contributed, by voting for them and their political brethren, and of which I, and wigantojapan, are sadly ourselves also guilty,having strayed south of the Solway and the Tweed.

I at least have the honour to stick by the side of the state that has given me such protection and opportunity, but our Wiganer hankers after an even more insular (though, bizarrely, actually non-insular)- perhaps parochial would have been a better word - future.

SC

[wigantojapan]

...So what were Scots PM's Blair and Brown doing all those years to screw their own people ?

Like everyone else amongst us, they were tainted when they first set foot on English soil, and became turncoat villains of the Westminster conspiracy - a crime to which many of my peers contributed, by voting for them and their political brethren, and of which I, and wigantojapan, are sadly ourselves also guilty,having strayed south of the Solway and the Tweed.

I at least have the honour to stick by the side of the state that has given me such protection and opportunity, but our Wiganer hankers after an even more insular (though, bizarrely, actually non-insular)- perhaps parochial would have been a better word - future.

SC

obviously the reading of john buchan has done little or nothing to open up your mind..

..Now the Scots want independence because they are insular and parochial,,well thats progress for you,

Of course in your words everyone else will just laugh of the above statement

.What is becoming a theme and a tactic though amongt Unionist thinking, is blaming the Scots for the so called break up of the island of GB.

.rather than the politicians and their advisers and may i even say masters who have and are still causing all the social unrest in Britain and further a field...

...I personally will not gain anything from an Independent Scotland.

.I hold no allegiance what so ever to any flag,,any border,,any political,,religious ideology...

other Scots have said they will even take a hit financially if it means a more caring,fairer society.

you use the word honour,,and you use it in the context of a country a border, a state ,,that gave you so much and opportunity.

You worked in HK you said,,,look at the history of HK and see how much opportunity the local HK were given under that same state that gave you so much

Look at the opportunity it gave to the vast waves of HK that the Japanese just marched in,with little or no resistance from the slaves of the masters

I personally lived in another colonial country,,infact the biggest democracy in the world.

Look at the opportunity the State gave the majority of people

look at how proud the people felt when they opened up the guns at Lucknow on defenseless people

I use the word honor to honor no flag no state not even the word opportunity in its fullest meaning and understanding,,or should i say how it is played out today to better oneself as the expense of others,,that is what opportunity is meaning today

no i use the word honor to honor my self inner child ,,my inner intelligence,,my inner bonding with all the world children and people of all colors and all believes.

I get my inspirations and guidance from Gandhi and the the man in MCloud Ganj and Scotland is doing the same..

the state of the union was founded on the back ground of War,..religious maneuvering,,trade at the expense and exploitation of the locals in far away lands,selfish acts by the majority of nobles for self gain and many others,,nothing to do with fairness and honor of oneself and fellow human beings

and the Unionists side today is still making and doing the same tactics

[wigantojapan]

UK tax havens and City Of London control UKhttp://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dr92rUjsiZCU&h=OAQEVHn88AQFhv4HFe9IHBUcruMCFv-G9jjIP9gui-VnbPw&enc=AZPgx93pe325Xyaveg79ldF5-bbPPy3J2KOatuzt4p5t8VT7Ga93ht6GpYErNUs9ZjqSEp0fbzkbMfZpzG7B7El1ZfMMRvzBjOMZ-Ki_5BUP10MPfSno2o2BaKttiNKI2mbAFW7WKIq1yRTGRFOPTLSs&s=1&skip_shim_verification=1

[wigantojapan]

Scohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbC9wHpMHB8ttish

people asking questions and being informed and making their own minds up.....This is one of the many many meetings up and down the country...

[folium]

...So what were Scots PM's Blair and Brown doing all those years to screw their own people ?

Like everyone else amongst us, they were tainted when they first set foot on English soil, and became turncoat villains of the Westminster conspiracy - a crime to which many of my peers contributed, by voting for them and their political brethren, and of which I, and wigantojapan, are sadly ourselves also guilty,having strayed south of the Solway and the Tweed.

I at least have the honour to stick by the side of the state that has given me such protection and opportunity, but our Wiganer hankers after an even more insular (though, bizarrely, actually non-insular)- perhaps parochial would have been a better word - future.

SC

obviously the reading of john buchan has done little or nothing to open up your mind..

..Now the Scots want independence because they are insular and parochial,,well thats progress for you,

Of course in your words everyone else will just laugh of the above statement

.What is becoming a theme and a tactic though amongt Unionist thinking, is blaming the Scots for the so called break up of the island of GB.

.rather than the politicians and their advisers and may i even say masters who have and are still causing all the social unrest in Britain and further a field...

...I personally will not gain anything from an Independent Scotland.

.I hold no allegiance what so ever to any flag,,any border,,any political,,religious ideology...

other Scots have said they will even take a hit financially if it means a more caring,fairer society.

you use the word honour,,and you use it in the context of a country a border, a state ,,that gave you so much and opportunity.

You worked in HK you said,,,look at the history of HK and see how much opportunity the local HK were given under that same state that gave you so much

Look at the opportunity it gave to the vast waves of HK that the Japanese just marched in,with little or no resistance from the slaves of the masters

I personally lived in another colonial country,,infact the biggest democracy in the world.

Look at the opportunity the State gave the majority of people

look at how proud the people felt when they opened up the guns at Lucknow on defenseless people

I use the word honor to honor no flag no state not even the word opportunity in its fullest meaning and understanding,,or should i say how it is played out today to better oneself as the expense of others,,that is what opportunity is meaning today

no i use the word honor to honor my self inner child ,,my inner intelligence,,my inner bonding with all the world children and people of all colors and all believes.

I get my inspirations and guidance from Gandhi and the the man in MCloud Ganj and Scotland is doing the same..

the state of the union was founded on the back ground of War,..religious maneuvering,,trade at the expense and exploitation of the locals in far away lands,selfish acts by the majority of nobles for self gain and many others,,nothing to do with fairness and honor of oneself and fellow human beings

and the Unionists side today is still making and doing the same tactics

Excuse me for interrupting this somewhat self-obsessed ramble, but a few points should be addressed.

You state SC was calling all Scots "insular and parochial" when he was actually referring to people such as yourself who would choose to exit the union if they had the vote.

Your knowledge of Hong Kong's history is patently lacking. The British/Canadian/Indian/HK garrison held out for 17 days losing some 2000 killed and were outnumbered by the more experienced Japanese 4 to 1. As one of the British infantry battalions was 2Royal Scots I would love to hear you tell their successors that they rolled over so easily in HK. You might be in for a spot of reeducation especially given the fact that they acquitted themselves very well given the situation and even more so given that the Japanese murdered many Royal Scots after they surrendered.

Re India you presumably are referring to the Amritsar Massacre of 1919 rather than the 2 sieges of Lucknow in 1857 during the Indian Mutiny. Re the latter Scottish troops excelled themselves and were led by the very fine Scottish General Campbell, and would again not take kindly to being accused of being perpetrators of a massacre.

Talking of high achieving Scottish expats but in a more philanthropic/educational direction is the namesake of the Dalai Lama's residence in McLeod ( shame you can't spell it right) Ganj. You should read up on his achievements to see that colonialism and its hierarchy weren't all bad.

The British have achieved extraordinary levels of success in many fields around the world. Swire Pacific is a classic story marrying English entrepreneur with Scottish shipbuilding ingenuity. Both families still run this highly regarded company. No sign of insularity or parochialism there.

Independence would be a classic case of cutting off nose to spite face. That's why I will be voting no later on this year. Salmond is a canny politician who dangles temping fantasies in front of the electorate, but Scotland would gain little and potentially lose much if the yes camp triumphs.

[StreetCowboy]

.... That's why I will be voting no later on this year. Salmond is a canny politician who dangles temping fantasies in front of the electorate, but Scotland would gain little and potentially lose much if the yes camp triumphs.

You are lucky to have a vote. While I can vote for a member in Westminster (SNP or otherwise) I am not eligible to vote in this referendum, as I am not resident in Scotland. To be honest, I don't even know if I am eligible for a Scottish passport, though I am eligble, under IRB rules, to play for Scotland under several counts (though sadly not through ability,,,, maybe after independence)

SC

[nontabury]

.... That's why I will be voting no later on this year. Salmond is a canny politician who dangles temping fantasies in front of the electorate, but Scotland would gain little and potentially lose much if the yes camp triumphs.

You are lucky to have a vote. While I can vote for a member in Westminster (SNP or otherwise) I am not eligible to vote in this referendum, as I am not resident in Scotland. To be honest, I don't even know if I am eligible for a Scottish passport, though I am eligble, under IRB rules, to play for Scotland under several counts (though sadly not through ability,,,, maybe after independence)

SC

Move to Lancashire and call yourself laddie, then you'll get the vote. With the added advantage that because of the poor state of the Wigan rugby team, you should get a game.

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[wigantojapan]

You state SC was calling all Scots "insular and parochial" when he was actually referring to people such as yourself who would choose to exit the union if they had the vote.

And why would that be,Why being in the Union and Scottish is not parochial and insular and being in an independent Scotland is why

?Your knowledge of Hong Kong's history is patently lacking. The British/Canadian/Indian/HK garrison held out for 17 days losing some 2000 killed and were outnumbered by the more experienced Japanese 4 to 1. As one of the British infantry battalions was 2Royal Scots I would love to hear you tell their successors that they rolled over so easily in HK. You might be in for a spot of reeducation especially given the fact that they acquitted themselves very well given the situation and even more so given that the Japanese murdered many Royal Scots after they surrendered.

No one is saying that there was not, resistance and that there was Scots, who bravely did hold out,,

,What i am saying that it was known on the Japanese side that there would be little, or no support, from the local population to pick up arms to defend a British HK..

Simple enough to understand that.

..In that it says a lot that even the Japanese knew how the Brits treated the local population..

Oh and i have ancestors Scottish and Japanese who actually fought for the control of HK so again i don't need a history book painting up the picture of the reality of what actually did happen

.Re India you presumably are referring to the Amritsar Massacre of 1919 rather than the 2 sieges of Lucknow in 1857 during the Indian Mutiny. Re the latter Scottish troops excelled themselves and were led by the very fine Scottish General Campbell, and would again not take kindly to being accused of being perpetrators of a massacre.

Good to see that you are a reader of history..Actually i lived in both Amrister and Lucknow ..for many a year.

.I got my knowledge of these dreadful events through talking to people whose family were involved and effected by it.

.By people who still carried the hurt and the pain that these 3 events brought on...Yes some had forgiven and understood the deeper meaning of karma and the higher law,,but others could not forget and quite rightly, they could not ,,as in today's India the respectful place and paying homage to their ancestors is far far more deeply ingrained in their every day actions and deeds,,,rather on how we pay homage to our ancestors if at al

lTalking of high achieving Scottish expats but in a more philanthropic/educational direction is the namesake of the Dalai Lama's residence in McLeod ( shame you can't spell it right) Ganj. You should read up on his achievements to see that colonialism and its hierarchy weren't all bad.

First i will answer in reply to the Dalai Lamai...Again i have sat in his presence on many occasion..I am not a passing through journalist or a VIP or even tourist..I am more than aware of the hierarchy within the Buddhist tradition wither they be red or yellow hat Tibeten Indian .or Japanese.

I spent any years in Dharamkot (2 km from the Ganj as it is known by locals) and speak Hindi,,so again i don't need to read a book to understand the feeling in general of a large percentage of the Indian people regarding British colonization.

And of course there was some benefits and good things came out of the Colonization,,not a lot but some.

.Again if you are looking from the viewpoint of the ruling British rather than the local population,then the view points differ enormously...I know what side i believe having lived there for over a third of my adult life.

Talking of high achieving Scottish expats but in a more philanthropic/educational direction

And why would all the high achieving Scottish expats all of a sudden stop in an independent Scotland?

Would all that enterprise and energy ad massive potential all of a sudden stop ?

Isn't what the Scots offering in the field of education much more advanced than their Union counterparts.?

Isn't access to education within easier reach for many as opposed to the English model?

Are more and more English students going to be burdened by debt?

On that issue along people should vote yes

Capitulation: the UK government's relationship with the City

The British have achieved extraordinary levels of success in many fields around the world. Swire Pacific is a classic story marrying English entrepreneur with Scottish shipbuilding ingenuity. Both families still run this highly regarded company. No sign of insularity or parochialism there.

Again why would an independent Scotland not be able to be successful.. to attract.. individuals, inventors, entrepreneurs .

Scotland does not ,at all of a sudden, lose all their abilities , energy and determination because the political landscape has changed,

,Scotland can and will attract a whole new lot of energetic creative people..without doubt

oh and the is money to do that.

Scotland after all is open to all,,not the right winged mass hysteria immigrant fearing Union idea of growth

.Independence would be a classic case of cutting off nose to spite face. That's why I will be voting no later on this year. Salmond is a canny politician who dangles temping fantasies in front of the electorate, but Scotland would gain little and potentially lose much if the yes camp triumphs.

​People who have never been engaged in politics,( which is about 95% of the people at any one given time), are getting engaged and are finding out how politics are run,

,how these decisions are influenced by the politician, and,who is really running the country etcetc.

do you think the Scots are deceived and blinded so much that it will be a utopian state?

,,,dont be silly

Facts and government papers are being revealed, to the people, to see exactly, how and what Scotland has been denied and how Scotland could prosper as a independent Country.

​Professional people have looked at them ,,academics have looked at them. business people have looked at them and all sorts of people have looked at them. ad have seen the lie that the no campaign keeps on peddling.

No one, well the majority of people understand that it is not about Salmond and it is not going to be an easy ride.

Scotland has much more to gain much more,,

We are not blinded by the politicians, who will more or less be the same politicians in Westminister..we know that..but we will be able to vote them out,,,,something which is denied us now.

Defense ,,defense has been cut continuously by westminister,

Westminister wants to streamline the military to be a modern force whist pumping billions into Trident

Scotland wants to streamline the military into a modern force while not having trident......where is the benefit to Scotland or the world on having nuclear ..none

Fantasies some call it good old solid human values i call it...

​Scotland has been lied about for too long ,,yes under the pressure of america in its nuclear program we know that.

If you are really interested in this debate, well open up you mind ,and read all the variant opinions , and expertise, that is getting revealed, and don't rely on the Uk newspapers and not the impartial political organisation the BBC for your understanding ,,if you have no or little lifetime experiences of living in among peoples and nations who have,and continue to be let down and shackled by the decisions that are made in Westminister

[transam]

And you think King Salmond rein will be different ?

Hmmmm. If the Daily Telegraph is an excepted rag in your eyes I found their opinion quite worrying for an independent Scotland.

[Morakot]

I don't even know if I am eligible for a Scottish passport

Yes, you would be entitled to Scottish citizenship if you are either:

• a British citizen who "habitually" resides in Scotland on the day of independence,

or

• a British citizen who was born in Scotland.

Other possible ways (such as by decent, etc.) are also envisaged.

Edited April 30, 2014 by Morakot

[wigantojapan]

What Women Want is representation in the IndyRefhttp://scotspolitics.com/entertainment/what-women-want-is-representation-in-the-indyref

by Clyn Gallagher · April 28, 2014 in Entertainment · 2 minute read

[wigantojapan]

http://nationalcollective.com/2014/04/17/sara-sheridan-ive-completed-my-journey-to-yes/Sara Sheridan: I’ve Completed My Journey To Yes

[wigantojapan]

here is another reason to vote yes

http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-news/9108-uk-minister-admits-breaking-gm-crops-agreement-with-scottish-government

Westminister wants GM crops Scotland does not....still Scotland will be more than willing to feed England Ireland and Wales,,when their Food system collapses due in part to mono farming and GM crops

[nontabury]

I don't even know if I am eligible for a Scottish passport

Yes, you would be entitled to Scottish citizenship if you are either:

• a British citizen who "habitually" resides in Scotland on the day of independence,

or

• a British citizen who was born in Scotland.

Other possible ways (such as by decent, etc.) are also envisaged.

The last one, reminds me of how many in the Scottish football team get picked.

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[wigantojapan]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/new-analysis-claims-uk-governments-rejection-of-currency-union-is-either-co.1398856973

god all these brave heart professors( pair wee souls) are turning up in Beijing poking their noses in pair wee Scotland and pair wee island o Uk (about the size o a city in china)affairs..How parochial and insular of them?

[wigantojapan]

http://jpmcooke.wordpress.com/2014/04/24/im-a-proud-scot-but/

I’m A Proud Scot, But…

[wigantojapan]

GET YOUR MORNIN PAPERS

Where does Scotland’s wealth go?http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/where-does-scotlands-wealth-go/

[3NUMBAS]

quote

The Centre for Economics and Business Research predicts that Scotland will lose between 20,000 and 40,000 jobs if the country breaks its 307-year union with England as it will lead to a "mass exodus" of financial services companies.

According to extracts from a speech, the founder of the CEBR, Douglas McWilliams, will warn the markets at the Gresham Professorial Lecture in London later today that many financial firms will immediately leave Scotland in the event of independence, because of the lack of a fiscal, monetary or banking union.

"Some industries in Scotland would be boosted by independence. One suspects that the tourism industry for example will ultimately benefit. But finance is highly likely to suffer," McWilliams will say.

"The experience of the euro means that it is highly unlikely that there will be a banking union if Scotland is independent. Without that, most of the Scottish financial services economy will migrate to England where their customers are. This is potentially a huge boost to the City of London."

Scotland's financial sector currently employs around 85,000 people.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/scottish-independence-will-prompt-40000-job-losses-boost-london-employment-1446646

[Richard W]

Yes, you would be entitled to Scottish citizenship if you are either:

• a British citizen who "habitually" resides in Scotland on the day of independence,

or

• a British citizen who was born in Scotland.

No, these people would automatically have Scottish citizenship, and would have to renounce it if they didn't want it.

There's a big difference between having a citizenship and being entitled to it. I know someone who is entitled to Irish citizenship but would be unable to do his job if he became an Irish citizen.

[Scott]

This is the same discussion by the same people using the same sources. This topic has outlived its usefulness and is only resulting in suspension of otherwise reasonable members.

//Closed//

[Scott]

Per a members request, the thread is being re-opened. Please make sure that the remarks you post are relevant to the topic and not an expression of our thoughts about other posters. Some people strongly disagree with others, I doubt they will change their mind. They have the right to express their opinion and you have the right to comment on their opinion. You do not have the right to comment about them personally.

Much of this thread has been well written, well-documented and it is a testimony to the people posting that they could keep the discourse civil for this long. Of all the traditions being discussed, let's please return to this one.

[jpinx]

I am not sure why the independence issue brings out the worst in some people. The SNP and Labour parties appear to have agreed that the referendum is about independence -- not about who will be in power afterwards. It remains to be seen how issues like currency will be resolved, but bear in mind that Poland has been in the EU for ten years already and has not yet fulfilled it's obligation to join the euro, and there is no great pressure on them to do so. Also -- some countries thrive without a currency. Ecuador uses the american dollar - and they have probably more net worth in mineral and oil reserves than the whole of UK. Perhaps it would be more constructive to look around the world for examples of how to overcome the issues being raised.

Independence for Scotland is a very personal decision and need not be based only on the country's finances. You can love your country - for richer or poorer - as many Thais do here.

[wigantojapan]

English support for Yes growsToday the Sunday Herald has published a letter signed by a number of writers and academics in England who’re supporting a Yes vote, which can be read here. Below, we also publish a statement from Steve Freeman, a member of the Republic Socialist Alliance and Left Unity party in England. He was also a speaker at last year’s Radical Independence Conference, during the ‘After the UK – the future for the four nations’session

.Response from England to the new threats to the Scottish peopleThis week has seen the British Establishment step up their war against the SNP government plan for constitutional change to be put to the Scottish people in September 2014.

The Prime Minister’s speech at the Olympic Park in East London on 7 February 2014 launched the attack by appealing to the people of England, Northern Ireland and Wales to back the Tory government in this struggle by appealing to British patriotism and commending the bloody history of the British Empire.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer on 13 February 2014, supported by Clegg and Miliband, threatened to sabotage the Scottish economy by refusing the option of a currency union in the event of a Yes vote. This ‘united front’ of the three main establishment (or monarchist) parties is the kind of unity which occurs, as in the Falklands war and the Iraq war, when the political class believe the fundamental interests of the state are at stake

.http://robintilbrook.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/independence-call-for-england-made-by.htmlhttp://english-passport.org/tag/english-independence/

[wigantojapan]

English support for Yes growsToday the Sunday Herald has published a letter signed by a number of writers and academics in England who’re supporting a Yes vote, which can be read here. Below, we also publish a statement from Steve Freeman, a member of the Republic Socialist Alliance and Left Unity party in England. He was also a speaker at last year’s Radical Independence Conference, during the

session .Response from England to the new threats to the Scottish people...My apologies i thought i had posted the link in the above post,,,Here it is http://radicalindependence.org/

[wigantojapan]

Did you know almost 1 in 4 English people would like to see independence for England? That means 1 in 4 English people want Scotland to support Yes. There is more support for Scottish independence in England than in Scotland. Politics is changing on these isles and we are going to see the rise of UKIP which will probably lead to more support for English independence. Why would you want to hang about waiting to be rejected further down the line? In my view, if we vote no this will strengthen the English independence thirst and how sad will we look when we are told there will be no Union.

http://campaignforenglishindependence.blogspot.co.uk/

http://www.englishindependence.co.nr/

http://radicalindependence.org/2014/02/23/english-support-for-yes-grows/

http://robintilbrook.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/independence-call-for-england-made-by.html

http://english-passport.org/tag/english-independence/
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[nontabury]

English support for Yes growsToday the Sunday Herald has published a letter signed by a number of writers and academics in England who’re supporting a Yes vote, which can be read here. Below, we also publish a statement from Steve Freeman, a member of the Republic Socialist Alliance and Left Unity party in England. He was also a speaker at last year’s Radical Independence Conference, during the

session .Response from England to the new threats to the Scottish people...My apologies i thought i had posted the link in the above post,,,Here it is http://radicalindependence.org/

There has always been a number of English people who have wanted independence from Scotland, what is fairly new is that the numbers are growing, caused not so much as their wish to be governed by broad minded people instead of incompetents , such as Tony WMD Blair and Gordon Bigot Brown, but because people are becoming increasingly pi sed - off with the Scots as a whole, this I find rather upsetting as there are many Scott's who can think for themselves, unfortunately they are becoming increasingly brow beaton and bullied by people who are narrow minded.

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[Thai Bairn]

English support for Yes growsToday the Sunday Herald has published a letter signed by a number of writers and academics in England who’re supporting a Yes vote, which can be read here. Below, we also publish a statement from Steve Freeman, a member of the Republic Socialist Alliance and Left Unity party in England. He was also a speaker at last year’s Radical Independence Conference, during the

session .Response from England to the new threats to the Scottish people...My apologies i thought i had posted the link in the above post,,,Here it is http://radicalindependence.org/

There has always been a number of English people who have wanted independence from Scotland, what is fairly new is that the numbers are growing, caused not so much as their wish to be governed by broad minded people instead of incompetents , such as Tony WMD Blair and Gordon Bigot Brown, but because people are becoming increasingly pi sed - off with the Scots as a whole, this I find rather upsetting as there are many Scott's who can think for themselves, unfortunately they are becoming increasingly brow beaton and bullied by people who are narrow minded.

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If only us narrow minded, parasitic 'Scott's' could be as enlightened as you.

When will you understand that England is not the UK?

[wigantojapan]

The below are of course promoting them selves as a grass roots movement..No too much digging actually reveals a more sinister movement and there is more than the links i provided

“No Borders” is a surprise late entrant to the indy debate, and funnily enough has absolutely nothing to do with resisting border controls, migrant rights or cross-border solidarity, despite stealing their name from the long-established network of the same name which does exactly that (I suppose anarchists have never been very big on copyright law, but they have responded here). The new campaign does, conversely, have everything to do with British nationalism, scaremongering and fear of the unknown, cloaking it all in vacuous marketing rhetoric about it being a “people’s campaign” full of “ordinary Scots”.

Ordinary Scots like Malcolm Offord, a “City fund manager” of over 20 years, ardentproponent of austerity and £100k+ donor to the Tory party. He’s such a man of the people that in 2009 he gave Michael Gove a direct donation of £2500, ’cause that’s just the kind of thing that ordinary voters do!!! Not to mention the charming Fiona Gilmore, head honcho at the Acanchi consultancy firm, tagline “country brand capital development”. Previous clients include Israel, Bahrain and the UAE, and we’ll have much more on her soonhttp://athousandflowers.net/2014/05/02/weekly-<deleted>-028-malcolm-offord/https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fpub%2Fgary-waple%2F3%2F9b4%2F989&h=UAQHZUQFN

Acanchi were running PR for the Israelis while this <deleted> was going on:

http://www.amnesty.org/.../israeli-armys-use-white...

[wigantojapan]

BBC Propaganda Hits New All-Time Lowhttp://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/bbc-propaganda-hits-new-all-time-low/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitterEvery half hour BBC News is running a three minute puff piece which is even more sinister for what it hides than for what it says – and By God! That is sinister enough.

“Now the BBC has learned about an alternative No campaign which calls itself No Borders a group determined to rouse the emotions many feel about being Scottish but also British. Gavin Essler has this exclusive report:”

GAVIN ESLER: “A recording studio on the outskirts of Edinburgh. A group of musicians putting the finishing touches to a song which they hope could save the United Kingdom”

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Last from me on the grassroots movement no borders and who they really are

http://wingsoverscotland.com/while-were-investigating

/“Acanchi was established in 2003 as an independent and privately owned London based consultancy. This independence ensures its neutrality and objectivity.”

So everyone from voteNO BBC, fasttrack Whitehall civil servants and now these liggers are all neutral and objective
except/until they turn their brilliant minds to Scottish democracy

https://camfed.org/about/team/fiona-gilmore

/http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/Fiona_Gilmore

http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Acanch

iBut to make it appear Scottish, Vote No Borders is indicated to have an address as 26 Charlotte Square in Edinburgh. To those that are unfamiliar, this is one of the most prestigious & expensive addresses in the city.

In summary then, one wealthy Tory donator & one brand expert, both based in London & each with strong ties to various companies, institutions, quangos & charities based in England, team up to create an apparent grass roots movement in Scotland, based out of one of the most expensive addresses in Edinburgh.