Chelsea Fc Thread

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13 hours ago, mrbojangles said:

Shame that. I hate those supporters who quickly forget how much he contributed. The thing some people need to understand is that it is rare to get any player who truly supports (like the fans do) the club they play for. Particularly with so many foreigners in the prem. The majority are only there to do a job, get as good a wage as they can and eventually they move on. They are all just temporary assets

Chelsea fans are usually quite understanding about players moving on to other Clubs .

   Courtois replaced Club legend Cech , when he was still in his prime .

He then ran his contract down, refused to sign a new contract and orchestrated a move to RM , using his Kids as an excuse why he wanted to leave .

    He left Chelsea for half price , because he wouldnt sign a new contract .

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Chelsea signed Kovacic on a one year loan deal from RM and Kovacic has just tweeted a goodbye to RM fans .

   Opppps , could be that the Kovacic deal will be permanent and Hazard going to the other way ?

 

 

 

 

After three years filled with trophies I have decided to move on. Eventhough are paths now separate I want to say big thank you to @realmadrid family and all the fans for an amazing part of my life I will never forget. #HalaMadrid

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16 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Chelsea fans are usually quite understanding about players moving on to other Clubs .

   Courtois replaced Club legend Cech , when he was still in his prime .

He then ran his contract down, refused to sign a new contract and orchestrated a move to RM , using his Kids as an excuse why he wanted to leave .

    He left Chelsea for half price , because he wouldnt sign a new contract .

Maybe if Chelsea had brought him back from Madrid quicker than the 3 years they let him stay there, he would not have developed such strong ties to the city. Seems that long term loan really cost CfC

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9 minutes ago, Rc2702 said:

Maybe if Chelsea had brought him back from Madrid quicker than the 3 years they let him stay there, he would not have developed such strong ties to the city. Seems that long term loan really cost CfC

Chelsea shouldnt loan players out to other teams abroad , just incase he meets a woman there and gets married to her and has Children and then that relationship finishes and She doesnt want to move herself and the kids to the UK and he then wants to move back with her ?

   Yep, should have considered that when sending players out on laon.........................

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2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Chelsea shouldnt loan players out to other teams abroad , just incase he meets a woman there and gets married to her and has Children and then that relationship finishes and She doesnt want to move herself and the kids to the UK and he then wants to move back with her ?

   Yep, should have considered that when sending players out on laon.........................

Missing the point as usual.

 

The loan of 3 years was excessive and allowed him to feel at home in the city for whatever reason and had Chelsea kept him on his toes a bit and moved his loans to other countries or teams. Could have been the difference. On the same note fair play to the lad he has moved to RM and is citing his children as his main motivation but the truth is he is line to win more trophies and play for a better team and the foods nicer and I'm sure his wage is too. 

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4 minutes ago, Rc2702 said:

Missing the point as usual.

The loan of 3 years was excessive and allowed him to feel at home in the city for whatever reason and had Chelsea kept him on his toes a bit and moved his loans to other countries or teams. Could have been the difference. On the same note fair play to the lad he has moved to RM and is citing his children as his main motivation but the truth is he is line to win more trophies and play for a better team and the foods nicer and I'm sure his wage is too. 

It probably wouldnt have made no difference at all .

The reality is that he just used his kids as an excuse for RM to come and get him .

Another truth is that when he was on loan to AM , he was a promising young goalkeeper , destined to be one of the worlds best , although not ready to displace Petr Cech .

  Courtois is a good goalkeeper , but he hasnt/didnt reach his potential at Chelsea.

He doesnt command the box and hes not too good at crosses , good shot stopper though

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9 minutes ago, sanemax said:

It probably wouldnt have made no difference at all .

The reality is that he just used his kids as an excuse for RM to come and get him .

Another truth is that when he was on loan to AM , he was a promising young goalkeeper , destined to be one of the worlds best , although not ready to displace Petr Cech .

  Courtois is a good goalkeeper , but he hasnt/didnt reach his potential at Chelsea.

He doesnt command the box and hes not too good at crosses , good shot stopper though

CECH was better but RM needed a decent keeper for years and got an absolute bargain consifering he was rated keeper of WC too. Some proper gaffes have taken place with Chelsea keepers and the 71m you just spent looks like that trend may still continue. 

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6 minutes ago, Rc2702 said:

CECH was better but RM needed a decent keeper for years and got an absolute bargain consifering he was rated keeper of WC too. Some proper gaffes have taken place with Chelsea keepers and the 71m you just spent looks like that trend may still continue. 

Petr Cech, Courtois , Cudicini , Ed de Goey , Chelsea first Choice keepers in the last 20 years , all excellent , World class , cannot see how you can label them as "gaffes" , if the new keeper continues playing as they did, I will have no compliants

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6 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Petr Cech, Courtois , Cudicini , Ed de Goey , Chelsea first Choice keepers in the last 20 years , all excellent , World class , cannot see how you can label them as "gaffes" , if the new keeper continues playing as they did, I will have no compliants

Cech was sold too early courtois was sold too low and kepa has been purchased at a grossly over priced value and your keepers predecessors have both been better than their successors. Kepa is decent but not as good as courtois and Cech was better than courtois. That's not my idea of improving your squad and for silly money too. You just purchased the 7th best keeper in the Premiership for 71m lol.

[MrTrip]

I believe it’s far too early to write Kepa off or label him 7th best PL keeper when he hasn’t even played a minute of PL football. Give the lad a chance to prove himself


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1 minute ago, Rc2702 said:

Cech was sold too early courtois was sold too low and kepa has been purchased at a grossly over priced value and your keepers predecessors have both been better than their successors. 

Wait , Cech was sold  when he was 33 years old and he had a few years left in him . Courtois was bought into replace Cech .

Chelsea couldnt play Cech and Courtois in the same team, so, one had to go and Chelsea choose the long term option .

   Courtois was sold low, because his contract was going to expire next year and he would have moved for free , which lowers a players value .

   Chelsea didnt buy Kepa , they paid his contract cause .

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10 minutes ago, Rc2702 said:

Cech was better than courtois. That's not my idea of improving your squad

In his prime , Cech was better than Courtois .

But in the last few years , Courtois has been better than Cech

It was the right decision at the time to let Cech go and bring Courtois in .

 

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3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Wait , Cech was sold  when he was 33 years old and he had a few years left in him . Courtois was bought into replace Cech .

Chelsea couldnt play Cech and Courtois in the same team, so, one had to go and Chelsea choose the long term option .

   Courtois was sold low, because his contract was going to expire next year and he would have moved for free , which lowers a players value .

   Chelsea didnt buy Kepa , they paid his contract cause .

Lol long term option. Cech has outlasted your long term option for a rival and continues to be a top 6 keeper. Kepas contract buy out clause is just another way to say transfer fee. Even sarri has said Kepas not as good as courtois yet. Google it if you need assurances.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, sanemax said:

In his prime , Cech was better than Courtois .

But in the last few years , Courtois has been better than Cech

It was the right decision at the time to let Cech go and bring Courtois in .

 

Yet the stats from 2015 to 2017 show cech v courtois was not even close and cech:

 

Played more games

Saved more shots

Conceded less goals

 

Than courtois.

 

Let's not forget one was mid thirties and the other mid twenties and the old man outshone his younger rival. Buffon to PSG is not a holiday keepers have longer careers it was and now looks like a very bad decision and the stats back it up too.

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Just now, Rc2702 said:

Lol long term option. Cech has outlasted your long term option for a rival and continues to be a top 6 keeper. Kepas contract buy out clause is just another way to say transfer fee. Even sarri has said Kepas not as good as courtois yet. Google it if you need assurances.

No Cech hasnt , his form has been on the wane for the last few years , last season Cech only kept 11 clean sheets in 38 appearance and Arsenal fans were calling for him to be axed (as they were doing so the season before)

   Transfers are different to contract buy out clauses .

Transfers , you negotiate a price with a club .

Contract buy out clauses , you just say heres the money and hes ours , even if they dont want to sell

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3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

No Cech hasnt , his form has been on the wane for the last few years , last season Cech only kept 11 clean sheets in 38 appearance and Arsenal fans were calling for him to be axed (as they were doing so the season before)

   Transfers are different to contract buy out clauses .

Transfers , you negotiate a price with a club .

Contract buy out clauses , you just say heres the money and hes ours , even if they dont want to sell

 

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Kepa, capped once but considered one of the most promising goalkeepers in Europe having impressed for his country through the junior age groups, has a release clause set at €80m (£71.6m). Bilbao are braced to lose the 23-year-old, who has travelled to Madrid with his agent before a 10am flight to London on Wednesday morning, having come close to selling the youngster to Real for only £17.9m in January

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1 minute ago, Rc2702 said:

Kepa, capped once but considered one of the most promising goalkeepers in Europe having impressed for his country through the junior age groups, has a release clause set at €80m (£71.6m). Bilbao are braced to lose the 23-year-old, who has travelled to Madrid with his agent before a 10am flight to London on Wednesday morning, having come close to selling the youngster to Real for only £17.9m in January

I cannot keep up with your replies .

I am trying to look up numerous facts and reply to three different replies .

Slow down a bit , my head is spinning with five different web pages open

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11 minutes ago, Rc2702 said:

 

Those figures are out of date .

Give the figures from 2015 to present 

Courtois played 120 games for Chelsea , your figure has him down as playing 46 games in a season that was disastrous for Chelsea , finishing 10 th

   It was a bad season for the whole team and wasnt because Courtois wasnt any good .

   Give the complete figures from 2015-2018

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Just now, sanemax said:

Those figures are out of date .

Give the figures from 2015 to present 

Courtois played 120 games for Chelsea , your figure has him down as playing 46 games in a season that was disastrous for Chelsea , finishing 10 th

   It was a bad season for the whole team and wasnt because Courtois wasnt any good .

   Give the complete figures from 2015-2018

I don't need to. In the time cech left up until 2017 he outperformed your guy. He had a bad season last season but overall he's been better than your old keeper and has outlasted him as a premiership keeper too. So the long term option was more of a long term prospect than he was actually a long term option. Spent more time waiting for him than you did working with him. Makes perfect sense.

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14 minutes ago, Rc2702 said:

who has travelled to Madrid with his agent before a 10am flight to London on Wednesday morning, having come close to selling the youngster to Real for only £17.9m in January

That is a distortion of facts .

Kepa had a 17.9 M release clause in his contract and RM showed an interest, his Club , Bilbao then offered him a 7 year contract with a 80 M release clause , which he signed .

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5 minutes ago, Rc2702 said:

I don't need to.

You really do .

You have taken the figures from one bad season that Chelsea had to try to prove something that has happened over three years .

   You ignore the good two seasons that Chelsea and Courtois had , and use the one bad season to try to prove a point .

    You would need to look at the whole complete figures from 15-18 to be able to come to a conclusion

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6 minutes ago, sanemax said:

That is a distortion of facts .

Kepa had a 17.9 M release clause in his contract and RM showed an interest, his Club , Bilbao then offered him a 7 year contract with a 80 M release clause , which he signed .

Lol. Yes exactly Chelsea were foolish enough to pay 71m which is a transfer fee, for a keeper who is a good prospect at best and in terms of experience he is years away from courtois and the two really cannot be compared at this stage. Major mistake. Major. You never heard of him before news break of interest in him. Knee Jerk reaction purchase.

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5 minutes ago, sanemax said:

You really do .

You have taken the figures from one bad season that Chelsea had to try to prove something that has happened over three years .

   You ignore the good two seasons that Chelsea and Courtois had , and use the one bad season to try to prove a point .

    You would need to look at the whole complete figures from 15-18 to be able to come to a conclusion

Lol two good seasons yet he was supposed to be the LONG TERM option. Lol.

 

Between 15-17 cech was better.

So 2/3 cech was better. Age is irrelevant at this point as cech has outlasted courtois in the Premier which proves the decision to replace Cech with courtois was a mistake and the new keeper has just over 50 la Liga appearances to date and has been sold at a massive Mark up which If Chelsea had moved earlier knowing courtois was a contract Rebel, could have saved over 50m.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Rc2702 said:

Lol two good seasons yet he was supposed to be the LONG TERM option. Lol.

Between 15-17 cech was better.

So 2/3 cech was better. Age is irrelevant at this point as cech has outlasted courtois in the Premier which proves the decision to replace Cech with courtois was a mistake and the new keeper has just over 50 la Liga appearances to date and has been sold at a massive Mark up which If Chelsea had moved earlier knowing courtois was a contract Rebel, could have saved over 50m.

Playing wise Chelsea did fine with Courtois in goal , winning the Premier League twice , the FA Cup and the League cup .

  Maybe Chelsea would have done the same/better /worse with Cech in goal , who knows .

Financially Chelsea did well , having sold Cech and Courtois for 45 Million .

Had Cech stayed , we would know have a 36 year old keeper with no transfer value and not have 45 Million. 

  RM wanted to sign Kepa earlier, but he signed a new contract (Bilbao threatening to play him in the reserves , if he didnt sign and he would have missed the World Cup) and so Chelsea couldnt have signed him then .

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47 minutes ago, Rc2702 said:

Lol. Yes exactly Chelsea were foolish enough to pay 71m which is a transfer fee, for a keeper who is a good prospect at best and in terms of experience he is years away from courtois and the two really cannot be compared at this stage. Major mistake. Major. You never heard of him before news break of interest in him. Knee Jerk reaction purchase.

So, which keeper do you suggest that Chelsea should have bought instead ?

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19 hours ago, mrbojangles said:

Shame that. I hate those supporters who quickly forget how much he contributed. The thing some people need to understand is that it is rare to get any player who truly supports (like the fans do) the club they play for. Particularly with so many foreigners in the prem. The majority are only there to do a job, get as good a wage as they can and eventually they move on. They are all just temporary assets

Courtois went on strike <deleted>!!!!  He disrespected the club and most importantly the fans that ultimately pay his wages.  I don't believe in him getting abuse but don't expect fans to accept it and how and why on earth would anyone stick up for him?  On the money they are being paid, to go on strike to force a move is disgraceful behavior

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If Postman Pat has truly moved based upon his kids sake then chapeau! 

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4 minutes ago, Bredbury Blue said:

If Postman Pat has truly moved based upon his kids sake then chapeau! 

Do you believe that to be true ?

If his Wife was Thai and living in Thailand , do you think that he would have moved to Thailand and joined a Thai team ?

   I dont think that he would have .

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"Chelsea were foolish enough to pay 71m which is a transfer fee, for a keeper who is a good prospect at best"

Think people were saying the same about Ederson at £35 million, becoming the most expensive goalkeeper of all-time, but he now looks to have been a good buy.

Give Kepa a season at least in the Premier before saying foolish or not. He may turn out to be the best goalie around for the next 10 seasons and be a brilliant buy.