Australia paper defends Serena Williams cartoon despite outrage

[DrTuner]

9 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Is the Irish times an American paper?

Serena Williams cartoon: outrage-mongering or old-fashioned racism

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/serena-williams-cartoon-outrage-mongering-or-old-fashioned-racism-1.3625565

Is the Daily Mail UK an American paper?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6151635/Australian-newspaper-Herald-Sun-eviscerated-racist-cartoon-Serena-Williams.html

Instead of the countries, take a look at the writer's name and do a google on their political views. Newspapers don't do news anymore, they are opinion pieces. In this case:

 

By JENNIFER SMITH

Jennifer O'Connell

 

And I'm pretty sure CNN's resident feminist has written the obligatory kneejerk .. yes she's awake, https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/20/serena-williams-rolling-stone-misogyny and has of all things managed to infiltrate the Guardian as well.

 

Once upon a time I was giving a couple of guest lectures at a university to future journalists. I remember about 95% of them were women and inclined to the left as per the university's history. They are now manning the mainstream media and that's why you get this PC-feminist-racist barrage non stop.

 

EDIT: Ah Jill's been ahead of her time by 5 years I see. I'm sure she'll flip one off to CNN now as well.

[gk10002000]

Gee, welcome to the world of satire, lampooning, character exaggerations, etc.  If somebody doesn't like what the paper published, well, don't give the paper any more of your business.  Move along

[RickBradford]

It's clear that the global Manufactured Outrage department is in full swing on this one.

 

They don't care about any putative damage caused to the main subject of the cartoon, simply about forcing an apology from the newspaper, and then, a disciplining of cartoonist, editor and on up.

 

This is just a power play, like so many others that the SJW types engage in, the zero-sum victim v oppressor narrative, us noble globalists versus those despicable racists.

 

They don't care about doing any good, or alleviating any harm, merely in pushing their agenda.

 

Fortunately, Murdoch is one of those guys with sufficient albondigas to tell them to get f.....

[marcusarelus]

21 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Instead of the countries, take a look at the writer's name and do a google on their political views. Newspapers don't do news anymore, they are opinion pieces. In this case:

 

By JENNIFER SMITH

Jennifer O'Connell

 

And I'm pretty sure CNN's resident feminist has written the obligatory kneejerk .. yes she's awake, https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/20/serena-williams-rolling-stone-misogyny and has of all things managed to infiltrate the Guardian as well.

 

Once upon a time I was giving a couple of guest lectures at a university to future journalists. I remember about 95% of them were women and inclined to the left as per the university's history. They are now manning the mainstream media and that's why you get this PC-feminist-racist barrage non stop.

 

EDIT: Ah Jill's been ahead of her time by 5 years I see. I'm sure she'll flip one off to CNN now as well.

 

22 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Instead of the countries, take a look at the writer's name and do a google on their political views. Newspapers don't do news anymore, they are opinion pieces. In this case:

 

By JENNIFER SMITH

Jennifer O'Connell

 

And I'm pretty sure CNN's resident feminist has written the obligatory kneejerk .. yes she's awake, https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/20/serena-williams-rolling-stone-misogyny and has of all things managed to infiltrate the Guardian as well.

 

Once upon a time I was giving a couple of guest lectures at a university to future journalists. I remember about 95% of them were women and inclined to the left as per the university's history. They are now manning the mainstream media and that's why you get this PC-feminist-racist barrage non stop.

 

EDIT: Ah Jill's been ahead of her time by 5 years I see. I'm sure she'll flip one off to CNN now as well.

Who is Jennifer O'Connell from the Irish times?  Do you list it?  I googled and didn't get much. 

[DrTuner]

5 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Who is Jennifer O'Connell from the Irish times?  Do you list it?  I googled and didn't get much. 

https://www.irishtimes.com/profile/jennifer-o-connell-7.1593256

 

Seems to dwelve in a few issues. Writes masterpieces like this: https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/wanted-female-indiana-jones-only-thin-pretty-shortsighted-women-need-apply-1.3453024

[marcusarelus]

18 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

https://www.irishtimes.com/profile/jennifer-o-connell-7.1593256

 

Seems to dwelve in a few issues. Writes masterpieces like this: https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/wanted-female-indiana-jones-only-thin-pretty-shortsighted-women-need-apply-1.3453024

I don't see any racial bias.  Nor in any of the others I posted.  Feminism is not the problem in the cartoon and I don't think anyone has mentioned it. 

[Nyezhov]

4 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

I am not a Canadian and like I said the term is still used by the US government and me. 

 

But my point was that I know as much about Eskimos as Australians know about Blacks and that's not much. 

The point is you are rascist towards native Alaskans and shouldn't be commenting about rascist any further.

[marcusarelus]

2 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

The point is you are rascist towards native Alaskans and shouldn't be commenting about rascist any further.

I am not racist towards native Alaskans.  In their language their name is Eskimo.  Most Alaskans continue to accept the name "Eskimo," particularly because "Inuit" refers only to the Inupiat of northern Alaska, the Inuit of Canada, and the Kalaallit of Greenland, and it is not a word in the Yupik languages of Alaska and Siberia.

[Thechook]

6 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

How many times have we all heard, "you don't understand Thai people?"  If you live in Thailand it is constant. 

 

The cartoonist said, "Maybe there’s a different understanding of cartooning in Australia to America,”  Sounds the same as Thailand only he is saying you don't understand Australian people. 

 

From the Irish newspapers

 

I doubt many Irish observers can have looked at the Serena Williams cartoon without being reminded of our own grim history at the hands of cartoonists of the Victorian era, who depicted us as heavy-browed apes, feckless alcoholics and combative thugs. Those thick-Paddy stereotypes haven’t entirely gone away, either.  

 

And from Australia.

 

The Australian writer Yassmin Abdel-Magied, who has spoken of her own experiences of racism and sexism in her country, has tweeted in response to the cartoon: “Racism – as in, the structures of society that make it difficult for those who are non-White to be truly and unconditionally ‘Australian’, and that perpetuate systemic inequality in Australia – is so embedded, is such a normal way of ‘doing business’, pointing to it feels facile.

 

Wow now you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel referring to Yassmin Abdel-Magied, to support your anti Australia attacks.  Yassmin is a Sudanese immigrant who constantly publically insults whites with vile disgusting quotes the absolute epitome of à "RACIST"  The same woman who made vile disgusting comments about service men and women who gave their lives for the country she received refuge in.  She was removed from her job for her racist rants eventually fleeing the country for the U.K

[Jingthing]

8 hours ago, RickBradford said:

It's clear that the global Manufactured Outrage department is in full swing on this one.

 

They don't care about any putative damage caused to the main subject of the cartoon, simply about forcing an apology from the newspaper, and then, a disciplining of cartoonist, editor and on up.

 

This is just a power play, like so many others that the SJW types engage in, the zero-sum victim v oppressor narrative, us noble globalists versus those despicable racists.

 

They don't care about doing any good, or alleviating any harm, merely in pushing their agenda.

 

Fortunately, Murdoch is one of those guys with sufficient albondigas to tell them to get f.....

Another way to look at these kinds of issues.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/09/13/trump-really-hates-apologizing-for-misogyny-and-racism-new-reporting-explains-why/

Quote

 

The political theorist Martha Nussbaum has urged us to see the debate over “political correctness” in light of the cosmopolitanism first elaborated by the ancients, that is, the idea that through reason we can come to treat one another, regardless of background, as having equal worth by virtue of our respective “moral affiliation” with “rational humanity.” Nussbaum argues that the sneering at “political correctness” really amounts to a declaration that we do not have any “duty” to put in the intellectual, political and societal work necessary to counter or ease “racism, sexism, and other divisive passions” that militate against tolerance and humanism, in ourselves or in others.

 

 

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Thechook said:

Wow now you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel referring to Yassmin Abdel-Magied, to support your anti Australia attacks.  Yassmin is a Sudanese immigrant who constantly publically insults whites with vile disgusting quotes the absolute epitome of à "RACIST"  The same woman who made vile disgusting comments about service men and women who gave their lives for the country she received refuge in.  She was removed from her job for her racist rants eventually fleeing the country for the U.K

She was highlighting deaths and mistreatment of asylum seekers held Offshore by the Oz government with the phase usually reserved for members of the military "Lest We Forget" on a day allocated for the memory of military service people. She made an error of judgement, removed the comment and apologised the following day, yet was hounded for days by Oz PC politicians from the Right.

 

Some Australians  from the Right claim its within peoples rights to be offensive, but when not adhering to their PC POV, obviously not so - astounding hypocrisy. As my Thai wife can inform, anyone claiming racism is a minor issue in Australia is completely incorrect.

[utalkin2me]

The cartoon depicts pretty much exactly how she acted. If you do not want a cartoon like that, don't act like that. 

[dcutman]

Spot on depiction in a cartoonish way, given the circumstances and her behavior. Left wing nuts can find racism and bigotry  in anything and everything. 

[utalkin2me]

25 minutes ago, dcutman said:

Spot on depiction in a cartoonish way, given the circumstances and her behavior. Left wing nuts can find racialism and bigotry  in anything and everything. 

I loved the touch if the little pacifier. I hesitated to say it before, but i found the depiction quite humourous. 

[tifino]

 A PC life would be such a boring existence:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bendejo]

On 9/11/2018 at 6:31 PM, RickBradford said:

It seems like the biggest manufacturing industry in the West these days is the manufacturing of outrage.

 

Outrage is great, free publicity, especially if you can be viewed as a victim. 

On the other side there are the people making their livelihoods as "guest experts" on the news show panels,  "well, Ron, what do you make of this?" etc.

I don't know much about tennis, are they having trouble selling tickets?  After this some people will want to see her blow up again, that'll help fill the seats.  She's been around 20 years, and she hasn't done this before, maybe it's time for her to sit back and enjoy life, it's not like she needs the $$.

 

 

 

[Capt Rob]

On 9/12/2018 at 8:32 AM, PremiumLane said:

and yet here you are, being outraged ? 

Does not sound like outrage - more like fatigued resignation

[Capt Rob]

On 9/14/2018 at 6:38 AM, simple1 said:

She was highlighting deaths and mistreatment of asylum seekers held Offshore by the Oz government with the phase usually reserved for members of the military "Lest We Forget" on a day allocated for the memory of military service people. She made an error of judgement, removed the comment and apologised the following day, yet was hounded for days by Oz PC politicians from the Right.

 

Some Australians  from the Right claim its within peoples rights to be offensive, but when not adhering to their PC POV, obviously not so - astounding hypocrisy. As my Thai wife can inform, anyone claiming racism is a minor issue in Australia is completely incorrect.

Yassmin is undoubtedly a talented young woman but she still has someway to go in her knowledge of Australians - she has repeatedly knocked the Australian way of life and wonders why, as she claims, to be 'one of the most hated' - 

"In a country like Australia, people are very happy to accept you as long as you toe the line," she said.

 

I personally do not see this as a true criticism - As a guest in a country I have some observations as how it can improve but I would not bank on lasting too long if I took up a public platform.

Fine young men from Australia during various conflicts have given much to secure this still admired country and denigrating someone's ancestors, although seemingly endemic, is not going to achieve much approbation.

The preciousness about PC is seized upon by many who oppose tolerance and real equality, victimization claims equally are in a large part an artifice, as evidenced daily in sport, politics, etc.

[xylophone]

Haven't read the 25 pages of posts so this may have already been covered...………...cartoons like that of Serena Williams have been around for ages and they purposely exaggerate some features of the person, but they are still recognisable, and these cartoons are called caricatures.

 

Nothing sinister, just a form of art.

 

[simple1]

9 minutes ago, Capt Rob said:

Yassmin is undoubtedly a talented young woman but she still has someway to go in her knowledge of Australians - she has repeatedly knocked the Australian way of life and wonders why, as she claims, to be 'one of the most hated' - 

"In a country like Australia, people are very happy to accept you as long as you toe the line," she said.

 

I personally do not see this as a true criticism - As a guest in a country I have some observations as how it can improve but I would not bank on lasting too long if I took up a public platform.

Fine young men from Australia during various conflicts have given much to secure this still admired country and denigrating someone's ancestors, although seemingly endemic, is not going to achieve much approbation.

The preciousness about PC is seized upon by many who oppose tolerance and real equality, victimization claims equally are in a large part an artifice, as evidenced daily in sport, politics, etc.

She's an Australian citizen, not a 'guest'. Both of her parents are highly educated, one with a PhD from London, the other with multiple post grad degrees. Personally I do not recall her denigrating those who lost their lives / injured whilst serving in the Oz military. She was targetted for vilification by the hard Right, as the hard Right continue to do so with others as recently demonstrated by publically vilifying an eleven year old girl.

[tifino]

 

meanwhile, back at the ranch... 

 

[marcusarelus]

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

Haven't read the 25 pages of posts so this may have already been covered...………...cartoons like that of Serena Williams have been around for ages and they purposely exaggerate some features of the person, but they are still recognisable, and these cartoons are called caricatures.

 

Nothing sinister, just a form of art.

 

It is a form of racist art.  There are museums dedicated to it in America.  Australia is on a different wavelength - see America in the 1930's.  If the land down under had an imported slave past and a civil war that killed half the population it might be more attuned to the issue.  It's not.  No big deal.  We (America) understands. 

[tifino]

 

next thing... they'll be complaining the use of black ink

[Spidey]

Just now, marcusarelus said:

It is a form of racist art.  There are museums dedicated to it in America.  Australia is on a different wavelength - see America in the 1930's.  If the land down under had an imported slave past and a civil war that killed half the population it might be more attuned to the issue.  It's not.  No big deal.  We (America) understands. 

Sorry to disappoint you but White supremacists and the KKK are alive and well and living in America......in greater numbers than anywhere else in the world.

[tifino]

1 minute ago, Spidey said:

Sorry to disappoint you but White supremacists and the KKK are alive and well and living in America......in greater numbers than anywhere else in the world.

 

wow!... inbreeding really does work?!

[marcusarelus]

8 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Sorry to disappoint you but White supremacists and the KKK are alive and well and living in America......in greater numbers than anywhere else in the world.

What does that have to do with racist art in Australia?  Yes there is racism in America and we know it.  Yes there is racism in Australia and you are unaware of it.  OK .  We understand. 

[giddyup]

22 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Sorry to disappoint you but White supremacists and the KKK are alive and well and living in America......in greater numbers than anywhere else in the world.

As well as a disproportionate number of innocent blacks killed by trigger happy policeman who suffer no repercussions for the crime. marcusarelus seems to turn a blind eye to that. I know which is more offensive to blacks. Clean up your own backyard before complaining about Australia.

[xylophone]

13 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

It is a form of racist art.  There are museums dedicated to it in America.  Australia is on a different wavelength - see America in the 1930's.  If the land down under had an imported slave past and a civil war that killed half the population it might be more attuned to the issue.  It's not.  No big deal.  We (America) understands. 

Only seen as racist by those who want to see racism in everything they view...………..

 

 

For others who see past this, it is a form of mirthful art!!

[giddyup]

4 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

What does that have to do with racist art in Australia?  Yes there is racism in America and we know it.  Yes there is racism in Australia and you are unaware of it.  OK .  We understand. 

Racism exists everywhere, no one is disputing that, just not in this cartoon.  The above response by Ticino from the Herald Sun, sums it up beautifully.

[mauGR1]

Perhaps we should admit that it was 'racist art' and that the Australian cartoonists are the scourge of the planet, so that marcusarelus can find some peace of mind.