Britain can end Brexit unilaterally, EU court advisor says

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, bomber said:

its looking a possibility,parliament wont pass mays deal and leaving with a no deal is wanted by even less MPs,so then what? 

As the time passess by and the reality hits really, really hard to the UK MP's heads, they might be willing to go with May's deal. It would be one solution to put end of this saga.

 

If they don't do that, then I suppose there is going to be new referendum, which means that brexit is going to be cancelled altogether. 

 

I find it really hard to understand what May actually wants. Is she playing checkers or go?

 

 

[malagateddy]

That's a rather unpleasant comment
 
Are you OK?

Imo..Nontabury speaks his mind and tells the truth!!

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[Guest]

4 minutes ago, rixalex said:

Still confused why the need to mention "people" in the wording. Seems somewhat stating of the obvious, unless remainers have plans to call also for a forest animal's vote, or some such thing.

As for the rest, maybe a more accurate way of describing this proposed referendum that for some unknown reason, remainers can't bring themselves to call, as it is, a REFERENDUM, would be: "the losers' second-chance-vote, to be celebrated as the will of the people if it goes the way of the losers, or to be dismissed as "purely advisory" if it doesn't".

Sorry, I forgot to mention "people". "The loser people's second-chance-vote, to be celebrated as the will of the people if it goes the way of the losers, or to be dismissed as "purely advisory" if it doesn't".

What do you reckon?

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Thanks for replying, which gives me a chance to improve my wording.

 

"Informed people's vote"

"Informed vote"

"Educated vote"

 

Which do you think would be the best name as a working title for the new referendum to come?

 

I actually start to like "Educated vote" the most. It also says "Well, as fine our people are, they didn't know the facts during the first brexit referendum. Now they do know way better how much good EU provides to our people and what Brexit would take from them. They would also now know a bit better what rights EU has provided to them in all these years, which they would lose if UK wishes to depart from EU."

 

I like the sound of Educated vote quite a lot. Do you?

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, rixalex said:

Still confused why the need to mention "people" in the wording. Seems somewhat stating of the obvious, unless remainers have plans to call also for a forest animal's vote, or some such thing.

As for the rest, maybe a more accurate way of describing this proposed referendum that for some unknown reason, remainers can't bring themselves to call, as it is, a REFERENDUM, would be: "the losers' second-chance-vote, to be celebrated as the will of the people if it goes the way of the losers, or to be dismissed as "purely advisory" if it doesn't".

Sorry, I forgot to mention "people". "The loser people's second-chance-vote, to be celebrated as the will of the people if it goes the way of the losers, or to be dismissed as "purely advisory" if it doesn't".

What do you reckon?

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Thanks for replying, which gives me a chance to improve my wording.

 

"Informed people's vote"

"Informed vote"

"Educated vote"

 

Which do you think would be the best name as a working title for the new referendum to come?

 

I actually start to like "Educated vote" the most. It also says "Well, as fine our people are, they didn't know the facts during the first brexit referendum. Now they do know way better how much good EU provides to our people and what Brexit would take from them. They would also now know a bit better what rights EU has provided to them in all these years, which they would lose if UK wishes to depart from EU."

 

I like the sound of Educated vote quite a lot. Do you?

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Imo..Nontabury speaks his mind and tells the truth!!
 

Which language does she use, when she thinks about telling the truth!!?

[bomber]

13 hours ago, aright said:

I can't continue with this conversation you are too full of wishful thinking or alcohol or both.

 

 

per capita it is 13th which is the more realistic view your chart is overall which is based the size's of the economy/population (65 MILLION),as the saying goes size isnt everything,we all know the french,dutch,swedes,belgians,norwegians enjoy a higher standard of living than Brits,we might just be able to see off the port/spanish for the time being.

List of sovereign states in Europe by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia.html

[malagateddy]

Which language does she use, when she thinks about telling the truth!!?

1..Nontabury is a male I'm sure.
2..The English language.

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[vogie]

15 minutes ago, Grouse said:

That's a rather unpleasant comment

 

Are you OK?

I have just checked my database, fear not, you are still leading.????

[Guest]

1 minute ago, malagateddy said:

1..Nontabury is a male I'm sure.
2..The English language.
 

And you know both of those things as a fact?

 

I could say I'm a female Russian, who don't really like Putin's regime. Would you believe and take it as a fact?

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

I have just checked my database, fear not, you are still leading.????

That's the troll factory database in St. Petersbourg, for those who are not familiar with the Russian efforts.

[mommysboy]

17 minutes ago, oilinki said:

As the time passess by and the reality hits really, really hard to the UK MP's heads, they might be willing to go with May's deal. It would be one solution to put end of this saga.

 

If they don't do that, then I suppose there is going to be new referendum, which means that brexit is going to be cancelled altogether. 

 

I find it really hard to understand what May actually wants. Is she playing checkers or go?

 

 

I could only see Parliament backing May's deal if it is really backed against a wall, say, if the meaningful vote was on the 29th March.  But the ramifications would be horrifying, both for May and the Tories.  As it is, I think somewhere along the line they will face a backlash similar to 97 (was it?).

[Guest]

1 minute ago, mommysboy said:

I could only see Parliament backing May's deal if it is really backed against a wall, say, if the meaningful vote was on the 29th March.  But the ramifications would be horrifying, both for May and the Tories.  As it is, I think somewhere along the line they will face a backlash similar to 97 (was it?).

I don't know what happened in -97? 

 

I can see the UK MP's getting tired of this Brexit altogether and them simply to give up an go with the proposed deal. 

 

EU is not going to change it's view. At this point, I think EU member countries are more than happy to see no-deal brexit to become reality. 

 

One member country's efforts to exit the union for 2.5 years, is simply quite a handful to take. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Can I just say I'm another poster who doesn't care what you think.

You can say that. But does your government think the same is another issue. Isn't it?

[aright]

19 minutes ago, bomber said:

per capita it is 13th which is the more realistic view your chart is overall which is based the size's of the economy/population (65 MILLION),as the saying goes size isnt everything,we all know the french,dutch,swedes,belgians,norwegians enjoy a higher standard of living than Brits,we might just be able to see off the port/spanish for the time being.

List of sovereign states in Europe by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia.html

Why GDP per capita does not reflect a population's wealth

 

The most common way to compare the economic development and average income between countries is to compare the GDP per capita, if possible at PPP so as to adjust the income to the cost of life.

However, the GDP only reflects the "official" sum of all money made in the country for one year. There are numerous problems with this :

 

https://eupedia.com/forum/threads/24122-Why-GDP-per-capita-does-not-reflect-a-population-s-wealth

 

 

 

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

9 minutes ago, oilinki said:

 

I can see the UK MP's getting tired of this Brexit altogether and them simply to give up an go with the proposed deal. 

My biggest worry as an European at the moment is that the UK politicians finally wake up and realize what nonsense this whole thing is and then Brexexit, I.e. canceling the whole thing. While I generally would love to see the UK remain and it would be the best for the country and its people, in its current state the UK is too much of a burden and risk. They must leave now and use the next couple of years to clean up and reform until they can be taken serious again and be accepted as a full member. 

[rixalex]

Thanks for replying, which gives me a chance to improve my wording.
 
"Informed people's vote"
"Informed vote"
"Educated vote"
 
Which do you think would be the best name as a working title for the new referendum to come?
 
I actually start to like "Educated vote" the most. It also says "Well, as fine our people are, they didn't know the facts during the first brexit referendum. Now they do know way better how much good EU provides to our people and what Brexit would take from them. They would also now know a bit better what rights EU has provided to them in all these years, which they would lose if UK wishes to depart from EU."
 
I like the sound of Educated vote quite a lot. Do you?

Well, I'm worried whether or not you have the authority to drop "people" from the wording, as remainers seem pretty keen on species being specified in the title.

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[Guest]

2 minutes ago, aright said:

Why GDP per capita does not reflect a population's wealth

 

The most common way to compare the economic development and average income between countries is to compare the GDP per capita, if possible at PPP so as to adjust the income to the cost of life.

However, the GDP only reflects the "official" sum of all money made in the country for one year. There are numerous problems with this

I suppose there are no real words left by the... the.. the.. brexiteer anymore.

 

Yes, inequality is a real problem in UK. It's far lesser problem within the rest of the EU countries. 

 

Why do you think EU wanted to have a look at UK's rich people's save havens? Why do you think those people, who have their moneys, hidden in those said save havens, want brexit so desperately?

 

Would it be bad if UK would become a bit fairer society for the common people?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, rixalex said:

Well, I'm worried whether or not you have the authority to drop "people" from the wording, as remainers seem pretty keen on species being specified in the title.

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I can do absolute everything I want regarding of my words on this forum (well, not really everything).

 

Do you think, Educated vote, would sound pretty good? Should that been pushed forward?

[rixalex]

They must leave now and use the next couple of years to clean up and reform until they can be taken serious again and be accepted as a full member. 

Hilarious.

You should be recruited to the leave team. Comments like this if given sufficient publicity would see great swings in their direction.



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[welovesundaysatspace]

7 minutes ago, rixalex said:

Hilarious.

Watching the UK, that’s how you often feel these days. A clown country. And then you’re not sure whether you should laugh or be sad about it. 

 

7 minutes ago, rixalex said:

You should be recruited to the leave team. Comments like this if given sufficient publicity would see great swings in their direction.

Let Brexit happen. Then let’s see in what direction public opinion will swing. Then let’s hope people will learn from it and correct the mistakes. I’m sure the EUs doors are always open when you’re sober again. 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, rixalex said:

Hilarious.

You should be recruited to the leave team. Comments like this if given sufficient publicity would see great swings in their direction.
 

There is nothing hilarious about this. It's the fact that the rest of the Europe is rather bored of UK's behaviour as Paris Hilton or whoever is in her place at the moment. 

 

You had your time on showbusiness, it's now time to go back to real business.

 

Remain or Leave. It doesn't matter anymore. Simply stop acting like a teenager. 

[rixalex]

Let Brexit happen. Then let’s see in what direction public opinion will swing. Then let’s hope people will learn from it and correct the mistakes. I’m sure the EUs doors are always open when you’re sober again. 

EU and remainers aren't going to allow Brexit. Not proper Brexit anyway. The last two years has shown that. They are terrified of the consequences of what a successful Brexit would mean.

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[aright]

37 minutes ago, oilinki said:

I suppose there are no real words left by the... the.. the.. brexiteer anymore.

 

Yes, inequality is a real problem in UK. It's far lesser problem within the rest of the EU countries. 

 

Why do you think EU wanted to have a look at UK's rich people's save havens? Why do you think those people, who have their moneys, hidden in those said save havens, want brexit so desperately?

 

Would it be bad if UK would become a bit fairer society for the common people?

How can you have equality of opportunity with the EU's unemployment rates.

Greece   overall unemployment 20%        youth unemployment(under 25) 43%

Spain                                       15%                                                       34% 

Italy                                         11%                                                       32%  

France                                     9%                                                         20%    UK                                           4%                                                         11% 

 

Try telling the unemployed people of the 22 EU countries with higher unemployment rates than the UK how equal and lucky they are. 

 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, rixalex said:

EU and remainers aren't going to allow Brexit. Not proper Brexit anyway. The last two years has shown that. They are terrified of the consequences of what a successful Brexit would mean.

EU allows brexit. There is no doubt about it. 

 

Remainers, the 90% of the UK's population don't want brexit as it would break UK in so many levels. 

 

Don't you try to push your own failure of gaining anarchy towards others. 

 

I simply wonder why you would love to see anarchy inside the UK?

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

EU and remainers aren't going to allow Brexit. Not proper Brexit anyway. The last two years has shown that. They are terrified of the consequences of what a successful Brexit would mean.

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I hope you're right but I think it may be impossible to stop completely. More likely is that TM will now be able to sideline the hard-core Brexiteers who have very little support in parliament and gain a majority for the softest of Brexits. Much will depend on the DUP and the Labour leadership.

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[Guest]

8 minutes ago, aright said:

How can you have equality of opportunity with the EU's unemployment rates.

Greece   overall unemployment 20%        youth unemployment(under 25) 43%

Spain                                       15%                                                       34% 

Italy                                         11%                                                       32%  

France                                     9%                                                         20%    UK                                           4%                                                         11% 

 

Try telling the unemployed people of the 22 EU countries with higher unemployment rates than the UK how equal and lucky they are. 

 

Now what are the same numbers for the countries or social entities of well performing countries, which are part of the EU?

 

Are you saying EU has been bad for UK, Germany, Finland and so forth? 

 

It's so very easy to find problems. That's how the lesser intelligent populists survive in front of the lesser educated people. 

 

How about finding solutions to problems? How about providing real alternative solutions?

 

I already know, you can't offer any real possibilities for the people who simply wish to have a good lives. Too bad? OR is is simply because you want to gain silly points, without even thinking how to move forward? 

 

There are people who are playing checkers. In the real world, we play Go already. Get used to the new world, you are so afraid of. 

 

The world plays Go, regardless whether UK insists of playing checkers or not. 

[bomber]

12 minutes ago, aright said:

How can you have equality of opportunity with the EU's unemployment rates.

Greece   overall unemployment 20%        youth unemployment(under 25) 43%

Spain                                       15%                                                       34% 

Italy                                         11%                                                       32%  

France                                     9%                                                         20%    UK                                           4%                                                         11% 

 

Try telling the unemployed people of the 22 EU countries with higher unemployment rates than the UK how equal and lucky they are. 

 

if things are going so well in the UK as you say then why do we need brexit? surely this is risking the destroying the great times you claim

[BritManToo]

13 minutes ago, bomber said:

if things are going so well in the UK as you say then why do we need brexit?

Because the EU is about to go bust, and it'll drag the UK down if we're still in.

Unless you think France, Germany, Spain, Italy and Greece are all doing fine.

 

Now there were good things about the EU, pensions, human rights, international court, Euro.

But the UK government opted out of all the stuff of benefit to 'the people', just leaving us with the rubbish.

[aright]

10 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Now what are the same numbers for the countries or social entities of well performing countries, which are part of the EU?

 

Are you saying EU has been bad for UK, Germany, Finland and so forth? 

 

It's so very easy to find problems. That's how the lesser intelligent populists survive in front of the lesser educated people. 

 

How about finding solutions to problems? How about providing real alternative solutions?

 

I already know, you can't offer any real possibilities for the people who simply wish to have a good lives. Too bad? OR is is simply because you want to gain silly points, without even thinking how to move forward? 

 

There are people who are playing checkers. In the real world, we play Go already. Get used to the new world, you are so afraid of. 

 

The world plays Go, regardless whether UK insists of playing checkers or not. 

 

Don't address the issue then just indulge in obfuscation and mindless meandering by referring to them as silly points. We all want to have a good life for the present and the future that's why I played go and voted leave.   

 

"The unemployment rate is an important measure of a country or region’s economic health, and despite unemployment levels in the European Union falling slightly from a peak in early 2013 , they remain high, especially in comparison to what the rates were before the worldwide recession started in 2008. This confirms the continuing stagnation in European markets, which hits young job seekers particularly hard as they struggle to compete against older, more experienced workers for a job, suffering under jobless rates twice as high as general unemployment. "

[welovesundaysatspace]

36 minutes ago, rixalex said:

EU and remainers aren't going to allow Brexit.

You really should inform yourself. There is not a single piece of EU legislation that would allow the EU that. It's the UK's own choice to trigger Article 50, and after triggering Article 50, the EU cannot stop the process, only the UK yourself. 

 

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Not proper Brexit anyway. The last two years has shown that. They are terrified of the consequences of what a successful Brexit would mean.

There is no proper and improper Brexit. It's a binary choice, out or not out. And, as explained above, the EU doesn't have a say in it at all. It's your own business alone to make it successful and proper or not, however you wanna do that. The EU doesn't have any say in that at all. You're a sovereign country, you wanted to stand on your own feet and take control, now don't blame other when you're failing at it.