'Many killed' in shooting at Walmart in El Paso; suspect in custody

[marcusarelus]

7 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Bugger all. When Muslims blow up westerners we are told to hug a Muslim. When the NZ guy shot the Muslims in the mosque we were told to hug a muslim.

Obviously  the two recent events in the US are not Muslim related but the same principle applies...lets go pray...idiots.

 

Wake up and stop this crap. Why hasn't some one said it was all a mistake and the second amendment said the right to bare arms,  not the right to bear arms. The t shirt business alone would have made the USA the greatest economy on earth.

The Mayor of El Paso said people from El Paso would never do this and what El Paso needs now is prayer.  And people like this are Mayors???  How much does it cost to put a guard at Wallmart and a back up in the office above the sales floor?  It's a matter of corporate profit.  America could solve the problem overnight.  Obama couldn't do it maybe another president will be smart enough to get it solved.  

Edited August 5, 2019 by marcusarelus

[mtls2005]

Interesting difference.

 

Man on the left (died on the spot), potentially selling loose cigarettes (the day before), the man on the right, just murdered twenty people.

 

Go figure.

 

 

 

 

[Sandy Freckle]

We need to shut down giving these people and events oxygen. I know some choose to call this news but In my opinion we need to shut down all 'the details' of these shootings. Publicising details only feeds and informs other possible and intending perpetrators.

[rabas]

3 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

No thanks.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/age-brain-matures-at-everything-2017-11

BI rubbish,

1. 'Some scientists say'. I'm a scientist, do you trust me?

2. What does not 'mature' until 25 really mean?

3. If brains don't fully mature until 25, they didn't fully mature until 25 fifty years ago when there was no senseless gun violence.

 

Young people do have a hard time grasping reality in part because of all the rubbish they're fed by media, commercialism, and politicians.

[chokrai]

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed.   Please stay on topic.  

 

[mogandave]

Adding guards and increasing gun control is like using buckets to fix a leaky roof.

Lack of discipline, sense of entitlement, deteriorating family and community structure, and virtually zero accountability in press, schools and government.

[mtls2005]

9 minutes ago, Sandy Freckle said:

Publicising details only feeds and informs other possible and intending perpetrators.

 

I'm not sure hiding one's head in the sand alters happenings in the "real" world?

 

And keeping information, especially as it pertains to health and public safety, from the public seems a bit ill-conceived, and, dare I say it, authoritarian.

 

What else would you propose? Not alerting people to an approaching hurricane?

 

 

 

 

[ravip]

Why blame Trump? How long has he held the post of POTUS? This type of shooting has been happening in the US for a long time. It's obvious there is some factor that's disturbing the human mind in the US system. Just because a human owned a gun,  he wouldn't go on a rampage shooting innocent people. The root cause, whatever, has still not been identified - or intentionally ignored for 'political' reasons.

No, I am not a Trump supporter nor have any interest on him!

[Sandy Freckle]

22 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

I'm not sure hiding one's head in the sand alters happenings in the "real" world?

 

And keeping information, especially as it pertains to health and public safety, from the public seems a bit ill-conceived, and, dare I say it, authoritarian.

 

What else would you propose? Not alerting people to an approaching hurricane?

 

 

 

 

I'm not an 'expert'..., and neither I suspect are you, but it should be patently obvious to anyone with more than a room temperature IQ that these people and organisations thrive on the publicity they are awarded and freely receive from our so called 'free press'. I'll say it again, my belief is 'the details' should not be released..., releasing this information only serves to promote, feed and inform other potential. I'm saying disclosing the details to the public simply allows the perps message to be disseminated. Generalised info is all thats needed. 
Details means the minutia of why, how, who. The perpetrators agenda should not be allowed to be disseminated. There's also the issue that people become more desensitised. This issue is absolutely not about burying anything in the sand...., it's about protecting the majority of innocent people from more attacks..., by not giving the perpetrators what is most important to them - publicity for their cause etc. We need to absolutely stop giving these perpetrators so much publicity 'after the event'.  ISP's could be doing way, way more.

Edited August 5, 2019 by Sandy Freckle

[Sandy Freckle]

7 minutes ago, Sandy Freckle said:

What else would you propose? Not alerting people to an approaching hurricane?

Very obviously a hurricane telegraphs it's punches..., I mean we have some (albeit short) warning that it's about...., whereas a shooter in very obvious contrast does not sir. 

Edited August 5, 2019 by Sandy Freckle

[mogandave]

 
I'm not sure hiding one's head in the sand alters happenings in the "real" world?
 
And keeping information, especially as it pertains to health and public safety, from the public seems a bit ill-conceived, and, dare I say it, authoritarian.
 
What else would you propose? Not alerting people to an approaching hurricane?
 
 
 
 

How does the manifesto pertain to health and public safety?

How will publicizing it help people avoid being a victim in the future?

It will turn him into an hero to some and could be a hero to others.

[mogandave]

Interesting difference.
 
Man on the left (died on the spot), potentially selling loose cigarettes (the day before), the man on the right, just murdered twenty people.
 
Go figure.
 
 
 
 

I wonder why Eric Holder did not pursue civil rights violation charges, any idea?

[chokrai]

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-deadliest-mass-shootings-in-history.html

[mtls2005]

Open carry in Texas (walMart and Target)...

 

Yee-haw.

 

[mtls2005]

28 minutes ago, Sandy Freckle said:

We need to absolutely stop giving these perpetrators so much publicity 'after the event'.  ISP's could be doing way, way more.

 

So the answer to gun violence is censorship?

 

Freezer-level IQ there.

 

Let me guess, the bumper sticker says "Ban words, not guns"?

 

 

Publishing the manifestos may lead to neighbors and friends identifying similar traits in potential mass killers?

 

hashtag Unabomber

 

 

 

Edited August 5, 2019 by mtls2005

[chrisinth]

18 hours ago, NanLaew said:

There's been a lot of noise by the gun lobby on how gun ownership and concealed carry can only make American society safer as the citizen can defend, fire back and protect themselves and others from these obviously mentally ill shooters. This in lieu of the inferred slow response times of the regular, trained and armed law enforcement.

 

I wonder if they'll roll that old chestnut out over the next few days? I mean, if you aren't safe in a Walmart in Texas...

I was thinking similar thoughts. I am however confused as to how the shooter was not confronted during his 20 minutes of mayhem during which time so many lost their lives.

 

Probably a question for later given the tragedy that has just occurred, but I can't help wondering how many people inside Walmart's that day had a Texan LTC (License to Carry) permit and after all the hype we hear about armed citizens being able to make a difference to situations like this, nothing appeared to have happened?

[chokrai]

6 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Open carry in Texas (walMart and Target)...

 

Yee-haw.

 

Excellent. I wish that this was a common sight everywhere. Love seeing women strapped and ready to defend themselves and their family.

[kingdong]

they banned handguns in the uk,every licensed owner had to hand them in,it didn,t stop gun crime,it went up the year after the ban,the amount of illegally held guns in the usa is collasal,how does anybody imagine these could be eradicated? they could take the soft option and go after the legally held and registered guns but that would leave the former law abiding citizen unable to defend himself or herself against armed criminals,fraid theres no easy fixes to this scenario.

[Sandy Freckle]

I am all about selectivity when releasing information surrounding these incidents ..., all the details do not need to be divulged to everyone..., releasing 'all' the information simply gives these people and organisations exactly what they crave the most..., it's why they commit these crimes against humanity - publicity !
Surely good people would 'get' the reason why it's not a good thing to promote the perpetrators cause or the method that perpetrator or organisation chose to use to enact their heinous actions ? By releasing 'all' of the information surrounding these acts the media simply 'helps' in the promotion of further acts of this nature.

 Just a little bit more that a 'missionary position' imagination is all it would take...., 
 

Edited August 5, 2019 by Sandy Freckle

[bristolboy]

9 minutes ago, chokrai said:

Excellent. I wish that this was a common sight everywhere. Love seeing women strapped and ready to defend themselves and their family.

What could possibly go wrong? This is why police aren't trained to deal with situations that are dangerous or perceived to be so. The recruits are just given guns and set loose on the streets.

[kingdong]

2 hours ago, kamahele said:

Um, the guy published his motives online before he started shooting.... Yes, every citizen owning a gun, should be licensed as every driver is required to be and yes, every gun owner should be screened. 

think you,ll find gun laws vary from state to state,even though you can own a pistol in most states,most states will make you get a permit should you wish to carry it concealed.

[Sandy Freckle]

17 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Freezer-level IQ there.

Good one..., is that a little thing you thought up all by yourself ?

[lannarebirth]

14 minutes ago, chokrai said:

Excellent. I wish that this was a common sight everywhere. Love seeing women strapped and ready to defend themselves and their family.

Judging from the tattoos, attention seeking and self loathing seems to share a common thread with conspicuous gun ownership.

[chokrai]

10 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

What could possibly go wrong? This is why police aren't trained to deal with situations that are dangerous or perceived to be so. The recruits are just given guns and set loose on the streets.

That makes no sense at all. No idea what you are trying to say.

[chokrai]

7 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

Judging from the tattoos, attention seeking and self loathing seems to share a common thread with conspicuous gun ownership.

I doubt you would understand why they open carry.

[lannarebirth]

Just now, chokrai said:

I doubt you would understand why they open carry.

I willing to listen. Shoot! (figure of speech)

[kingdong]

11 hours ago, Handsome Gardener said:

No they shouldn't - the government should step in and take responsibility. (Take Brexit as an example of what happens when you hand over important decisions to the masses)

 

No guns - no mass shootings - simple. 

 

There is no good reason whatsoever to domestically own a gun.

on your last point,how about self defense?in british law you can use deadly force if you feel your life is in danger.theres also people who learnt to shoot in the military and wished to carry on shooting as a sport, in fact various types of shooting are included in the olympic games, there are people who like to hunt. although these mass shootings are totally unacceptable,think you will find the total numbers of people killed in mass shootings is a lot smaller than the total amount of murders commited by other means.

[heybruce]

32 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Open carry in Texas (walMart and Target)...

 

Yee-haw.

 

It's a good thing these women have eyes in the back of their heads.  A child could easily come from behind and take the handgun, someone with a sharp knife could just as easily steal the rifles.

 

Open carry means carrying something of value that can easily be sold for cash, no questions asked.  It doesn't make the person safer, it makes the person carrying the weapon a target.  The same way that advertising there is a gun owner at a certain address makes the home a target.

 

It's safe to assume that there were people in the Walmart who had weapons, yet they didn't prevent the killing.  If anything they complicated the police response.

[chokrai]

1 minute ago, lannarebirth said:

I willing to listen. Shoot! (figure of speech)

Lots of info you can find if you are interested.