1 hour ago, colinneil said:

The man who committed that crime deserves to be shot, but giving police orders shoot to kill is wrong.

So any policeman who has a grievance against someone, shoots/ kills, then says ohh sorry i made a mistake, frightening thought.

 

Very True Colin & more importantly what if the killer is a cop?

 

Then he has the perfect alibi now because he can kill anyone of the same height build as himself & then plant

the gun (which was unique as it was fitted for a suppressor) on the corpse & he has himself a perfect alibi

39 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

 The guy doesnt move like he was trained, he moves like a video game wannabe.

I would disagree

 

He shoots like someone who is if not well trained then well practiced.

 

A normal person does not double tap multiple targets all in center mass or head shots especially under

pressure/excitement of such a moment. 

 

If I were looking for this guy I would first check all nearby shooting clubs for shooters who compete

regularly in IPSC type practical shooting competitions

My answers to some things

 

he shot the people at the counter just to clear them out of the way- that is how it looks to me.

 

Use of supressor - either it came with the gun and he did not know it could be unscrewed ) unlikely given his firearm proficiency) or more likely it came with the gun and he knew suppressed shots would not alert any police or security in the vicinity thus increasing his chance of a successful robbery - arguably he might have had it fitted for this reason.

 

Shoot to kill order - hehas gunned down 5 people without a qualm including a 2 year old and a schoolgirl. Police cannot be expected to put their lives at risk by not taking the first shot if the opportunity presents - especially in view of his seeming firearms proficiency.

 

Real motive other than robbery - I would have thought it would be an unpleasant but necessary part of the investigation to check if the counter staff had a relationship problem i.e. the jealous male murdering his ex as has happened - only this time afforded the opportunity of covering that with a seeming robbery.

 

 

Such an order as "shoot to kill" could be grossly abused. It sounds much like "shoot first, ask questions later".

I'm guessing that a hundred thousand (or five hundred thousand) baht reward would cause this scum's identity to surface PDQ.

17 minutes ago, meechai said:

Anyone who knows Thailand knows many machine shops exist that can manufacture one

Since its off topic, I wont respond except to say, on a 9mm pistol, recoil booster.

 

Anybody who wants all the technical aspects, pm me.

1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

Well Kwaibah, you gave me a sad emoji, I assume becasue I say he needs to be captured and interrogated?

 

Well he had a Can on the pistol. Where did he get a Can (which are usually European or American or Chinese made)?

 

How did he chose that shop?

 

How was he planning to unload the gold?

 

Where did he get the gun?

 

Ordniary robbers dont attach cans to their guns. The USA has thousands and thousands of legal Suppressors and virtually none are ever used in crimes. Robbers dont rob with cans. Why was this guy using one?

 

Arent those questions worth answering in a proper investigation.?

 

 

Yes they are 

23 minutes ago, meechai said:

I would disagree

 

He shoots like someone who is if not well trained then well practiced.

 

A normal person does not double tap multiple targets all in center mass or head shots especially under

pressure/excitement of such a moment. 

 

If I were looking for this guy I would first check all nearby shooting clubs for shooters who compete

regularly in IPSC type practical shooting competitions

While one shouldnt rule that out, like in the USA, folks who participate in that type of sport dont usually go out and kill folks.

 

He doent move like a practical shooter at all regardless

1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

A Sound Supressor in Technical Lingo, a Muffler or a Maxim in Historical Lingo, a Silencer in comic book/hollywood lingo, a Can in MIlitary/LE Lingo

From where I come from its always been referred to as a "Silencer" In fact, in every movie I have seen where someone refers to it I have never heard it called anything else but a silencer. As most movies come out of the USA its strange I have never heard it called anything else but you learn something every day I guess.

This my understanding of the other words you mentioned.

Can - Something food is preserved in for long periods or a prison.

Muffler - Car or Bike Exhaust specifically the part that reduces the exhaust pipes noise

Maxim - Machine Gun

Many machine  shops who could make and fit a  sound supressor  in Thailand.  Or probably just a slight increase  on a black market gun.  There is still noise just not so much and can fool people  so they ate not sure its gunshots. Seems smart to not want  to alert everyone in the whole mall and outside.   Seems  a shoot to kill order is just a political stunt.  If a person resists arrest or shows a gun wouldn't he she  always be shot by police?

  Such a sad story.  Yesterday I looked at all the gold and jewelry shop workers different.    Similar to how my outlook changed for UPS drivers in USA after that failed jewelry heist. 

2 minutes ago, Dukeleto said:

From where I come from its always been referred to as a "Silencer" In fact, in every movie I have seen where someone refers to it I have never heard it called anything else but a silencer. As most movies come out of the USA its strange I have never heard it called anything else but you learn something every day I guess.

This my understanding of the other words you mentioned.

Can - Something food is preserved in for long periods or a prison.

Muffler - Car or Bike Exhaust specifically the part that reduces the exhaust pipes noise

Maxim - Machine Gun

Well try not to get your entire world view from TV or movies then ????

I agree with the shoot to kill, but not if they don't know who is obviously. A reward might be better. Dead or alive perhaps.

1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

Well Kwaibah, you gave me a sad emoji, I assume becasue I say he needs to be captured and interrogated?

 

Well he had a Can on the pistol. Where did he get a Can (which are usually European or American or Chinese made)?

 

How did he chose that shop?

 

How was he planning to unload the gold?

 

Where did he get the gun?

 

Ordniary robbers dont attach cans to their guns. The USA has thousands and thousands of legal Suppressors and virtually none are ever used in crimes. Robbers dont rob with cans. Why was this guy using one?

 

Arent those questions worth answering in a proper investigation.?

 

 

Moreover, now that this has been made public, there is nothing holding him back making more victims if ever a policeman makes himself known to him.

Is not the "dead" of "dead or alive" the same thing as "shoot to kill"?

2 hours ago, colinneil said:

The man who committed that crime deserves to be shot, but giving police orders shoot to kill is wrong.

So any policeman who has a grievance against someone, shoots/ kills, then says ohh sorry i made a mistake, frightening thought.

I was trained to use the force necessary to affect the arrest. Deadly force was used only when my life or the life of another was in danger. What passes for law enforcement here is pathetic at times, and if a senior Thai authority issued such an order, it is equally pathetic. 

2 hours ago, colinneil said:

The man who committed that crime deserves to be shot, but giving police orders shoot to kill is wrong.

So any policeman who has a grievance against someone, shoots/ kills, then says ohh sorry i made a mistake, frightening thought.

But they need to start shooting from the ankles up,  slowly

4 minutes ago, Benmart said:

I was trained to use the force necessary to affect the arrest. Deadly force was used only when my life or the life of another was in danger. What passes for law enforcement here is pathetic at times, and if a senior Thai authority issued such an order, it is equally pathetic. 

If you read the whole article, and not just the headline, it actually includes 'if he resists arrest'. 

2 hours ago, colinneil said:

The man who committed that crime deserves to be shot, but giving police orders shoot to kill is wrong.

So any policeman who has a grievance against someone, shoots/ kills, then says ohh sorry i made a mistake, frightening thought.

If you actually believe what you wrote then it's your comments that are frightening.

6 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

I agree with the shoot to kill, but not if they don't know who is obviously. A reward might be better. Dead or alive perhaps.

Yes, a big reward would bring joe public into the running, let’s face it this action disgusted the whole nation , everyone wants to bring him to justice, just increase the desire to “shop” this guy with a huge reward   !!

That backpack is distinctive, the scooter also ( could be stolen of course ).

Someone knows this guy or suspects a neighbour or friend of a friend etc.

Get the public on board !!

He should be shot on the spot or will be pardoned 15yrs later and will repeat the crime.
remember the killer, killed 5 women some 14 yrs ago, released and killed again 

Giving police permission to kill on sight never works out well.

How many innocents have been killed by trigger happy fools, with a license to kill, in Duterte's or Thaksin's anti drug wars, or in Mexico, Brazil or New Mexico.

This scum has not been identified or even have a physical description. He must be caught, interviewed and conclusively found to be the killer before being put down. Hard to do so with a bullet at that stage.   

2 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

A Sound Supressor in Technical Lingo, a Muffler or a Maxim in Historical Lingo, a Silencer in comic book/hollywood lingo, a Can in MIlitary/LE Lingo

Ahh righto, yeah they are easily found in Thailand, I know a few thai guys with them on their pistols.

won’t be long, someone out there will click on when he starts trying to sell the gold. He’s earned everyone’s hate, the criminal gangs will grass on this one.

2 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Thaksin's anti drug wars,

Where are the drugs now? Oh wait they came back after he was exiled.

2 hours ago, colinneil said:

The man who committed that crime deserves to be shot, but giving police orders shoot to kill is wrong.

So any policeman who has a grievance against someone, shoots/ kills, then says ohh sorry i made a mistake, frightening thought.

RED ALERT-- beware all burmese in the area.

My concern is they could shoot anybody and claim they got the perp. Tell me they are looking at CCTV of motobikes like that coming and going from the local military compound. Shoot people with a bike like that, okay, maybe you got the right guy and maybe it was a Myranmar on an unluckely ride.

2 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

Where are the drugs now? Oh wait they came back after he was exiled.

Exactly. Thousands killed, including an unknown amount of innocents, for no result.

Are you advocating the mass slayings should be ongoing?

what if they shoot to kill the wrong guy and the culprit gets away forever, with the thais thinking they got the right guy

'Shoot to Kill' have the police been watching too many Western's??

2 hours ago, rooster59 said:

The police have been ordered to track the robber down and to shoot to kill if he resists arrest, according to an informed police source quoting Pol Lt-Gen Amphon Buarupporn, commissioner of the Region 1 Provincial Police Bureau

That's him done then, he won't be going inside !

2 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

 Arent those questions worth answering in a proper investigation.?

 

A bigger question is why he chose to shoot and kill innocent people. AFAIK there was absolutely nothing to gain by it.