How are the bars, restaurants, agogos, massage shops, gentleman clubs and any business doing during covid?

[Russell17au]

Getting away from Pattaya and the BKK area, my wife owns a massage shop in Khon Kaen and since she received her certification to be able to re-open after she was closed on the 18 March all he regular customers have returned and a few new customers as well with no reduction in the costs. Actually business has improved.

[Nanaplaza666]

I think it's amazing thqt people that will not go when the price is 120 baht an hour but when they drop it to 80 baht an hour they do . It's !@#$%    $3 or €2.5 somebody has to work for that for 1 hour and people are still complaining and making 1 hand and phone jokes, i don't hope any of those cheap charly complainers ever come in that situation(or do i) 

[scubascuba3]

1 minute ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

I think it's amazing thqt people that will not go when the price is 120 baht an hour but when they drop it to 80 baht an hour they do . It's !@#$%    $3 or €2.5 somebody has to work for that for 1 hour and people are still complaining and making 1 hand and phone jokes, i don't hope any of those cheap charly complainers ever come in that situation(or do i) 

so based on that you go every day and help support the massage ladies? foot massage, Thai massage? 

[NoshowJones]

22 hours ago, Lacessit said:

IMO business is down to about a third of what it was pre-COVID in Chiang Rai. Prices are 150 baht/hour, they must be pretty desperate for business asking 80 baht.

But that's not how they make most if their money, is it? ????

[NoshowJones]

21 hours ago, petermik said:

Nowt... closed until the Indians return.

 

Yes, along with their drinking straws.

[NoshowJones]

10 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Probably why the sea is looking so clear these days. 

Aren't you getting the Indians mixed up with the Chinese?

[ChaiyaTH]

Actually massages should not be costing more than 100-150 baht in the first place, it is a very decent hourly wage aside of the shop taking some cut too. I remember always paying 100-120 baht per hour near khao sarn 9 years ago.

 

I mean most can't even really massage, they just took this 3 day course at wat pho. Now if it is an actual sport massage, swedish massage or whatever I could imagine the price being a bit higher, as you never make that 8 hours a day.

 

Funnily enough, even for that they didn't see the light yet, with proper additional training they could have much more quality offers within the massage sector in Thailand. Just really proves the average IQ level here is indeed around 80.... (they had a full year to improve their skills, even it was from YouTube and by practicing on each other, yet I do not know a single one who did any self improvement).

Edited November 22, 2020 by ChaiyaTH

[ChaiyaTH]

38 minutes ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

I think it's amazing thqt people that will not go when the price is 120 baht an hour but when they drop it to 80 baht an hour they do . It's !@#$%    $3 or €2.5 somebody has to work for that for 1 hour and people are still complaining and making 1 hand and phone jokes, i don't hope any of those cheap charly complainers ever come in that situation(or do i) 

Not sure what the relevance is of comparing this to foreign economy and currencies. Most jobs will only earn them 50-70 baht per hour, even after graduating. If they actually matched their business with proper adittude, knowledge and service, most Thais earned double already.

 

My wife can earn more working in the average spa than in the hospital, as a graduated fysio therapist, that says enough.

Edited November 22, 2020 by ChaiyaTH

[BigStar]

59 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Funnily enough, even for that they didn't see the light yet, with proper additional training they could have much more quality offers within the massage sector in Thailand. Just really proves the average IQ level here is indeed around 80....

Funnily enough, they do realize that more training, with a certificate, at good schools will likely bring higher incomes. True of, say, barbers and hair stylists as well. But you haven't seen the light that such credible training costs time and money many can't afford. The payoff may not be quite as assured in the market as you wish to think, either. Communications skills are also part of gaining better jobs and keeping high-paying customers to make the investment worthwhile. Many don't have them, coming from such poor families.

 

Most here aren't willing to pay for a really professional massage by a masseuse credentialed, well-trained, personable, and experienced. In the States, that'll cost $100/hr. Here, say, B1000. Oh NO. No, we want an 80 baht massage and 80 baht haircut, period, with ignorant rationalizations as to why all should cost no more than that. Just really proves the average IQ level of posters around here is indeed around 80 and they're skint to boot....

 

Edited November 22, 2020 by BigStar

[petermik]

1 hour ago, BigStar said:

 

 

Most here aren't willing to pay for a really professional massage by a masseuse credentialed, well-trained, personable, and experienced. In the States, that'll cost $100/hr. Here, say, B1000. Oh NO. No, we want an 80 baht massage and 80 baht haircut, period, with ignorant rationalizations as to why all should cost no more than that. Just really proves the average IQ level of posters around here is indeed around 80 and they're skint to boot....

 

Unfortunately not everyone here has the good fortune to be from the good old USA ...us mere mortals struggling to make ends meet can but dream about the undoubted superior knowledge you possess in such matters...I take my hat off to you sir...????

[Wongkitlo]

2 hours ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Actually massages should not be costing more than 100-150 baht in the first place, it is a very decent hourly wage aside of the shop taking some cut too. I remember always paying 100-120 baht per hour near khao sarn 9 years ago.

 

I mean most can't even really massage, they just took this 3 day course at wat pho. Now if it is an actual sport massage, swedish massage or whatever I could imagine the price being a bit higher, as you never make that 8 hours a day.

 

Funnily enough, even for that they didn't see the light yet, with proper additional training they could have much more quality offers within the massage sector in Thailand. Just really proves the average IQ level here is indeed around 80.... (they had a full year to improve their skills, even it was from YouTube and by practicing on each other, yet I do not know a single one who did any self improvement).

The problem with your thoughts is that they do not work all day. If they only have 1 or 2 massages a day how do they survive.

[ChaiyaTH]

Just now, Wongkitlo said:

The problem with your thoughts is that they do not work all day. If they only have 1 or 2 massages a day how do they survive.

Which is their problem, by opening the same shop 10 times in one area. This is the same with almost any business in Thailand.

 

The lack of brains, innovation, proper service and pricing, is lacking. I have visited over 50 barbershops and still have to find one doing a good job for the money they ask, same story again. Coffeeshops too, endless.

 

A proper located, well serviced massage shop (of which I do know a few owners), the girls easily have 4-5 customers per day. Those generic massage ladies do not need to earn more than 300 baht, as that is what other people without education earn too.

[ChaiyaTH]

Just some sort of communism style economy going on here, that should not be supported to continue at all. Providing everyone of a job and earning minimum wages and causing people to be lazy, not innovative, no competition, improvement, higher service levels etc. etc.

I mean it is all barbershops, massage shops, motorbike shop, pharmacies and 20 baht shops. There is very very little that actually is unique or different lol (and if it finally is, it is usually owned by farangs).

Edited November 22, 2020 by ChaiyaTH

[ChaiyaTH]

2 hours ago, BigStar said:

Most here aren't willing to pay for a really professional massage by a masseuse credentialed, well-trained, personable, and experienced. In the States, that'll cost $100/hr. Here, say, B1000. Oh NO. No, we want an 80 baht massage and 80 baht haircut, period, with ignorant rationalizations as to why all should cost no more than that. Just really proves the average IQ level of posters around here is indeed around 80 and they're skint to boot....

 

You actually assume a lot of things while nobody has mentioned wanting to only pay 80 baht. It is about being willing to pay when service is also delivered.

 

Also you seem to not understand that 80 baht actually equals 1.5 hours of work, so that be 25 USD ish back home,
you can get plenty of haircuts with quality for that in the west. 

 

Most shops here actually dare to charge 200-300 baht for haircuts while their rent is lower, utilities are, staff costs is and insurances too. Then explain to me why we can get haircuts in Netherlands, in brand new buildings, with quality, for the same price.

 

Last but not least, if you think it is expats or farangs complaining, then ask the locals, they think prices are insane high and rarely use them (because the prices are insane high if looking at local earnings).

Edited November 22, 2020 by ChaiyaTH

[OneMoreFarang]

How are the bars, restaurants, agogos, massage shops, gentleman clubs and any business doing during covid?

 

Losing money, closed already, maybe barely surviving and hoping for better times.

Or just money laundering like usual.

And let's not forget that the nightlife business was already down (compared to previous years) before Covid started.

[Wongkitlo]

44 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Which is their problem, by opening the same shop 10 times in one area. This is the same with almost any business in Thailand.

 

The lack of brains, innovation, proper service and pricing, is lacking. I have visited over 50 barbershops and still have to find one doing a good job for the money they ask, same story again. Coffeeshops too, endless.

 

A proper located, well serviced massage shop (of which I do know a few owners), the girls easily have 4-5 customers per day. Those generic massage ladies do not need to earn more than 300 baht, as that is what other people without education earn too.

I dont think anyone is opening shops at the moment so I don't see any relevance. The post is are about how shops are doing during  Covid. No one is talking about a normal high season situation. I doubt any of them are getting 3 or 4 customers a day at present.

[ChaiyaTH]

10 minutes ago, Wongkitlo said:

I dont think anyone is opening shops at the moment so I don't see any relevance. The post is are about how shops are doing during  Covid. No one is talking about a normal high season situation. I doubt any of them are getting 3 or 4 customers a day at present.

You are actually quite wrong about that, there is many who did open new shops, some even relocated, but they are more quiet than ever. I know it might sound so evil and cruel but most of them just do not have brains.

In CM we had the mushroom wave of coffeeshops and now lately it is barbershops again (with fake gangster groups). Mentioning high season is actually the most irrelevant in this topic, as these shops mainly cater to locals (or should be doing so).

Edited November 22, 2020 by ChaiyaTH

[BigStar]

30 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

I know it might sound so evil and cruel but most of them just do not have brains.

Mostly just the usual bigotry. We're accustomed to that, however, and it's permissible as long as we don't use racial slurs. We used to enjoy those, too, but the rules are now stricter.

 

You actually don't know how quiet they are over time. Usual Eyeballs measurement at some random interval.

Edited November 22, 2020 by BigStar

[KC 71]

4 hours ago, possum1931 said:

Aren't you getting the Indians mixed up with the Chinese?

Or empty hotels, so no floating turds in the surf !

[AlfHuy]

On 11/21/2020 at 6:13 PM, carlyai said:

The place I used to go has the sauna still going but the girls are gone, except the one that used to massage me. She's selling fruit from a stall near the sauna, and massaging when a customer comes.

Hope she washes her hands before selling the fruit again. ????

The oil would get on the fruit.

Last time, she forgot to wash her hands after a ..... massage.

Veggies loved it.

[SiSePuede419]

Can you imagine how little money it takes to get people to risk their lives?  For what?  Saving 70 Baht off a massage?

 

You'll gladly risk your life for a couple quid?

 

OMG ????

[scubascuba3]

7 hours ago, BigStar said:

 

 

And you seem not to understand what a quality haircut looks like.......... But again in Thailand you're looking at B800 - B1,500. Sorry.????

 

 

 

 

Come on no one is paying 800-1,500 baht in Pattaya for a hair cut, most haven't got much hair. My brother in law in UK who had little hair left used to pay £80+ for a haircut, eventually he woke up and switched to a barber for £10, looked exactly the same, it was all in his mind

[Ventenio]

I'd say massage shops are down 80%.  almost every time I go, I'm the only person in the shop.  before, impossible.  

 

prices are the same, and they are super desperate for anything else.  one lady told me she had only water for weeks....then she said she's go to BKK with me.  so i said, ' well, just come to my room and we can eat'  which should not be scary if she wants to go to BKK with me.  so then she realized there's no money in that... lol.  i don't mind these games a few times a month...

 

the real problem is the quality, if that's what you want.  haven't seen a cute massage lady in soo long i almost forget what they look like.  so your only option is a real massage for 150 or 200 and give them a tip because i'm sure covid has hurt their business.  

 

 

[Andycoops]

On 11/21/2020 at 6:29 PM, NanLaew said:

I heard a couple of months back that the TQ on Beach was in a deep hole and struggling to keep the doors open. Anyone know if it's still struggling?

 

I also hear that at least a couple of beer bars on Soi 6 have ip cams set up where stuck-at-home punters can buy their favorite bar girls ladies drinks via the bars FaceBook page. Apparently it's 300 baht a pop and the girls seem to be doing OK. Not sure if it matters if the punter is in Northampton or Naklua either.

There are many more than a couple of bars live streaming now, some around the LK area as well.

[ChipButty]

I think a lot of these massage joints priced themselves out of business and the service over the years has got worse and lets not talk about the attitude 

[Rimmer]

A personal attack also multiple off topic posts and replies removed

[BigStar]

3 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Come on no one is paying 800-1,500 baht in Pattaya for a hair cut, most haven't got much hair. My brother in law in UK who had little hair left used to pay £80+ for a haircut, eventually he woke up and switched to a barber for £10, looked exactly the same, it was all in his mind

Quite right. Works in well with the brilliant "Bought me own clippers, sorted!" concept. Nor would the odd expat wish to admit here foolishly paying B300. But those shops must be closed, eh. And of course cuts from Royal Warrant holders to H.R.H., The Duke of Edinburgh, would look exactly the same as the free ones from a trainee at the London School of Barbering.

 

Now our highly efficient, no-nonsense members may well wish to acquire both a massage and a haircut during one outing, given that such shops may well be located within the same general area. So then: are the shops offering the cheapest haircuts to be had on Soi Buakhao still open? Any lowering of prices yet?

 

Edited November 23, 2020 by BigStar

[Wongkitlo]

14 hours ago, ChaiyaTH said:

You are actually quite wrong about that, there is many who did open new shops, some even relocated, but they are more quiet than ever. I know it might sound so evil and cruel but most of them just do not have brains.

In CM we had the mushroom wave of coffeeshops and now lately it is barbershops again (with fake gangster groups). Mentioning high season is actually the most irrelevant in this topic, as these shops mainly cater to locals (or should be doing so).

What does Chiang Mai have to do with the post. This is the Pattaya forum. How can you know about  new massage shops opening in Pattaya if you are in Chiang Mai

[Olmate]

40 minutes ago, Wongkitlo said:

What does Chiang Mai have to do with the post. This is the Pattaya forum. How can you know about  new massage shops opening in Pattaya if you are in Chiang Mai

Maybe ambidextrous! 

[redwood1]

Update.........On the massage shops on Pattaya Klang near Soi Bukow.....As of today they are all 100 baht and there are also now 5 @ 80 baht.....I am holding out for 60 baht...lol