How are the bars, restaurants, agogos, massage shops, gentleman clubs and any business doing during covid?

[Danderman123]

Girls who appear in the apps generally work bar as freelancers, as well.

[Danderman123]

I am told that Heaven gogo in Walking Street has closed. Had girls, but no customers.

[jacko45k]

34 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I am told that Heaven gogo in Walking Street has closed. Had girls, but no customers.

Heaven Above on Diamond?

I heard it was due to an excessive rent request from the owners, pre-Covid, so the guys did well not to take it on. 

They have a place on Soi Boomerang (off Buakhao) now that is popular.  

https://goo.gl/maps/Kck6oVWpKfFtyF8r8

Edited June 5, 2022 by jacko45k

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

I am told that Heaven gogo in Walking Street has closed. Had girls, but no customers.

Happy agogo closed, was very popular particularly with asians

[kinyara]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

I am told that Heaven gogo in Walking Street has closed. Had girls, but no customers.

That was over a year ago, there was an interview with the former owner on Buzzin Pattaya discussing his move to Soi Boomerang.

[scubascuba3]

32 minutes ago, kinyara said:

That was over a year ago, there was an interview with the former owner on Buzzin Pattaya discussing his move to Soi Boomerang.

I'm wondering if Buzzin bar has gone and replaced by a 3 theme place, saw a video on the new place

[kinyara]

3 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

I'm wondering if Buzzin bar has gone and replaced by a 3 theme place, saw a video on the new place

I'm not familiar with his own place, I don't socialise in that area, but I was talking to a guy at my pool that follows him and according to him he said "Buzzin" was changing the concept as his first format hadn't really worked. It sounded quite ambitious to me, time will tell.

[scubascuba3]

19 minutes ago, kinyara said:

I'm not familiar with his own place, I don't socialise in that area, but I was talking to a guy at my pool that follows him and according to him he said "Buzzin" was changing the concept as his first format hadn't really worked. It sounded quite ambitious to me, time will tell.

ah that sounds like it probably is the same place, bar, gent club, agogo

[champers]

59 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

ah that sounds like it probably is the same place, bar, gent club, agogo

On Treetown, on RHS as you look from Soi Buakhao. They plan to have 100 girls employed there. 

[champers]

Loma Night Market on Naklua Rd has been torn down. It opened in September 2019 and was doing well till Covid came a calling. 

It is a prime bit of land; who knows what it will become?

[Leaver]

9 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Girls who appear in the apps generally work bar as freelancers, as well.

 

Yes, and in my opinion, this may be the only way forward for many  bar owners here in the future, in order to be able to pay the rent. 

 

They save on salaries, but the girls don't answer to the owner.  They can up and leave the bar at any time to go with a customer off an app, potentially leaving a bar with no girls, which means no customers. 

[scubascuba3]

10 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Girls who appear in the apps generally work bar as freelancers, as well.

Not sure that's correct, i know girls who only work thaifriendly, 3 have subsequently moved to bars or massage shops and are no longer on Thaifriendly. Also beach road girls are on there,  i think the answer is it's mixed

[3NUMBAS]

they dont know theres a cost of living crisis in europe and eleswhere.moneys tite

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

they dont know theres a cost of living crisis in europe and eleswhere.moneys tite

Not for the rich. 

[Leaver]

9 hours ago, jacko45k said:

I heard it was due to an excessive rent request from the owners, pre-Covid, so the guys did well not to take it on. 

 

Will be interesting to see if Thai landlords adjust their rents so their tenants can have a viable business, post covid. 

[Leaver]

19 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Not sure that's correct, i know girls who only work thaifriendly, 3 have subsequently moved to bars or massage shops and are no longer on Thaifriendly. Also beach road girls are on there,  i think the answer is it's mixed

 

Most of the freelancers I know in bars, are also working online. 

 

If someone buys them some drinksand pays their bar fine, they go with them.  If they are sitting in the bar with no customers, and an offer comes in online, they go to the online customer. 

 

How long before the customers realize they can get the same girls in the bars, online, minus lady drinks and bar fines? 

[Leaver]

10 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Not for the rich. 

 

It's Pattaya's beautiful beach that attracts the rich.  ????

[jwdub12]

14 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

How long before the customers realize they can get the same girls in the bars, online, minus lady drinks and bar fines? 

I'm guessing that any lady involved in the P4P game has an online account somewhere in order to procure additional customers.

[Leaver]

33 minutes ago, jwdub12 said:

I'm guessing that any lady involved in the P4P game has an online account somewhere in order to procure additional customers.

 

Of course they do, but the salaried girls are under instructions from their boss that they can't work off their phones when on shift.  Of course, this is fair enough, but it may be the case that they see freelancers coming and going from their bar for short times, then when they are allowed to view their phone they see missed messages from potential customers, and how long before salaried girls discover they have lost more money from customers than they make in salary each month, particularly as their salary is docked for not meeting targets.

 

Is it possible that the traditional lady drink and bar fine business model here will be not fit for purpose into the future?  Could it become a failed business model?  If so, how much of a role does unrealistic rents from Thai landlord play?  

 

Could a solution for bar owners in the future be a variant on what the nightclubs do and give girls freelancing off apps a commission for arranging to meet their online customers in their bar?  Difficult to implement, because the bar's drink prices have to increase to cover such commissions. 

 

Is technology driving it?  Is demand (customers) driving it?  Is supply (girls) driving it?  Are the higher prices of lady drinks and bar fines driving it?  It's probably a combination of all of these,  but it was happening pre covid, quickly gained in popularity during covid, and is here to stay, and will surely have an impact on the bottom line for bars. 

 

Edited June 5, 2022 by Leaver

[scubascuba3]

7 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

 

How long before the customers realize they can get the same girls in the bars, online, minus lady drinks and bar fines? 

they can't really, in practice girls charge an amount to cover the bar fine. Thaifriendly rates are up for sure 

[scubascuba3]

7 hours ago, jwdub12 said:

I'm guessing that any lady involved in the P4P game has an online account somewhere in order to procure additional customers.

You'd think so but actually not, I've suggested girls go on Thaifriendly,  they'd never heard of it

[jacko45k]

11 hours ago, jwdub12 said:

I'm guessing that any lady involved in the P4P game has an online account somewhere in order to procure additional customers.

Maybe even can supply a QR code so that the customers can deposit directly into it?

[VBF]

18 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

Most of the freelancers I know in bars, are also working online. 

 

If someone buys them some drinksand pays their bar fine, they go with them.  If they are sitting in the bar with no customers, and an offer comes in online, they go to the online customer. 

 

How long before the customers realize they can get the same girls in the bars, online, minus lady drinks and bar fines? 

To be fair, many of us realised it years ago! All you've needed for many years, has been to discreetly swap phone numbers with girls in bars / gogos. Depends on the girl of course, but I can't remember when I last paid a bar fine.  Very few working women are loyal to the owner of the bar where they work, in my experience. ????

Edited June 6, 2022 by VBF

[Leaver]

12 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

they can't really, in practice girls charge an amount to cover the bar fine. Thaifriendly rates are up for sure 

 

Sure, but the customer is not making so much of a donation to a Thai landlord. 

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, VBF said:

To be fair, many of us realised it years ago! All you've needed for many years, has been to discreetly swap phone numbers with girls in bars / gogos. Depends on the girl of course, but I can't remember when I last paid a bar fine.  Very few working women are loyal to the owner of the bar where they work, in my experience. ????

 

Sure, but now there's a platform in which tourists can do it without a need to even be discreet, and without bar hopping.

 

When bar fines were realistic, I would pay, and if I liked the girl, get her number or messaging app and then it was between myself and the girl from that point on, but with the apps, the bar is cut out of the traditional sales of lady drinks and bar fines completely. 

 

If expats are not paying bar fines, why would tourists? 

[VBF]

Just now, Leaver said:

 

Sure, but now there's a platform in which tourists can do it without a need to even be discreet, and without bar hopping.

 

When bar fines were realistic, I would pay, and if I liked the girl, get her number or messaging app and then it was between myself and the girl from that point on, but with the apps, the bar is cut out of the traditional sales of lady drinks and bar fines completely. 

 

If expats are not paying bar fines, why would tourists? 

Possibly because they (the tourists) haven't yet caught on and don't have expat friends in Thailand nor read forums such as this one?

But I take your first point.

[Yellowtail]

43 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

Sure, but now there's a platform in which tourists can do it without a need to even be discreet, and without bar hopping.

 

When bar fines were realistic, I would pay, and if I liked the girl, get her number or messaging app and then it was between myself and the girl from that point on, but with the apps, the bar is cut out of the traditional sales of lady drinks and bar fines completely. 

 

If expats are not paying bar fines, why would tourists? 

Yes, they don't even have to come to Thailand to buy sex online! 

[Yellowtail]

44 minutes ago, Leaver said:

If expats are not paying bar fines, why would tourists? 

I think tourists do any number of things expats don't do. 

[Leaver]

21 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yes, they don't even have to come to Thailand to buy sex online! 

 

They can arrange their sex in Thailand before they arrive. 

[Leaver]

20 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I think tourists do any number of things expats don't do. 

 

I agree, as we all did, before we wised up, but for most of us, that was pre internet.  Now, the information is easily available, and so it meeting Thai girls online.