1 hour ago, cmarshall said:

 

As I explained, President of the Senate Harris can fully control the agenda of the Senate even with a Republican majority.

She couldn't preside over the senate if the Republicans had a majority. The leader of the house would be Mitch McConnel and he sets the agenda. The VP only comes into play in the event of a tied senate.

Asked if he would leave the White House if the Electoral College votes for Biden, Trump said: "Certainly I will. Certainly I will. And you know that."

 

No, I don't know that, because you always lie to everybody. Get a new wig and perhaps a different color. Pink might be the way to go now. It suits you well. 

 

The most powerful man on the planet. 555555555555555555555

13 minutes ago, polpott said:

She couldn't preside over the senate if the Republicans had a majority. The leader of the house would be Mitch McConnel and he sets the agenda. The VP only comes into play in the event of a tied senate.

 

You are misinformed.  And you did not read my earlier message.  I will explain it again.  The power of the Majority Leader to control completely the legislative agenda of the Senate does not derive from either the Constitution or the Standing Rules of the Senate, which are adopted at the beginning of every two-year session.  That power of the Majority Leader was created by Vice President John Nance Garner as President of the Senate in 1937.  The term for that power is "priority recognition."  A senator may only speak in the Senate if he is recognized for that purpose by the President of the Senate (or the President Pro-Tempore or any senator to whom he has temporarily delegated that duty.)  Garner's decision in 1937 was that the Majority Leader should enjoy "priority recognition," i.e. when two senators ask to speak the same time the ML will always be recognized.  On nothing more than that exceedingly minor parliamentary advantage has been erected the whole edifice of complete control of the Senate agenda by the ML.

 

In fact, the Framers apparently modeled the position of the President of the Senate after the Speaker of the House of Commons of the British Parliament.  That Speaker does indeed decide on which matters the MPs are allowed to vote.

 

Therefore, what one President of the Senate can bestow in 1937 a second President of the Senate can remove in 2021 since priority recognition amounts to no more than precedent.  And we know how lightly McConnell respects precedent.  President of the Senate Kamala Harris can decide to recognize any senator at any time to speak for any purpose including to vote on a bill at which point McConnell would have no more control over the agenda of the Senate than any other Senator, although he would still command a majority of votes.

Rudy Giuliani’s big fall: How former New York mayor has become a Trump laughing stock

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/rudy-giulianis-big-fall-how-former-new-york-mayor-has-become-a-trump-laughing-stock/news-story/b60565b276c61698b1c72031ac334e4e

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

The courts decide what the rule of law is, and so far the courts have been consistently saying that without evidence of election fraud, the election results stand.

 

If you think "2nd amendment types" and militias are going to successfully stage a coup (not 'protect the president against the coup', as you describe it) then you've been watching too many movies.  If fools with guns show up with the intent to illegally keep Trump in office, they will lose.  It's only a matter of how bloody their loss will be.

But WHO would confront them?  Especially if they came blended in with a people power march/sit in (like the yellow & red shirts did here).  It's not going to be the Secret Service as OneMoreFarang said on page 8.  The SS has a specific mission of protecting the President and there are only a small number of them on the scene, they may decide to stop that function if they perceive their mission has concluded; But they will certainly not engage in crowd dispersal, or open fire on the gun toting 'protesters' we have been seeing in American cities in the past few years.  Neither is the DC police and neither is the DC National Guard.  

 

I'm not looking into a crystal ball and saying this scenario will happen, but it is clearly an option for the MAGA's as much as it is here; And they can operate independently of Trump if they wish, just like the red & yellow shirts did here.

13 minutes ago, pkspeaker said:

But WHO would confront them?  Especially if they came blended in with a people power march/sit in (like the yellow & red shirts did here).  It's not going to be the Secret Service as OneMoreFarang said on page 8.  The SS has a specific mission of protecting the President and there are only a small number of them on the scene, they may decide to stop that function if they perceive their mission has concluded; But they will certainly not engage in crowd dispersal, or open fire on the gun toting 'protesters' we have been seeing in American cities in the past few years.  Neither is the DC police and neither is the DC National Guard.  

 

I'm not looking into a crystal ball and saying this scenario will happen, but it is clearly an option for the MAGA's as much as it is here; And they can operate independently of Trump if they wish, just like the red & yellow shirts did here.

State troopers/national guard.

As the world laughs at the USA.

All these comments....all of these rebuttals....but at the end of the day there is only one thing that matters and the title of the article says it all: "

 

Trump says he will leave the White House

 

SO MUCH WINNING....

2 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

All these comments....all of these rebuttals....but at the end of the day there is only one thing that matters and the title of the article says it all: "

 

Trump says he will leave the White House

 

SO MUCH WINNING....

Not surprisingly he reneged on it later. He said he would leave only if Biden proved fraud hadn't been committed. Because you know, that's how America's legal system works. Presumed guilty until proven innocent.

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Not surprisingly he reneged on it later. He said he would leave only if Biden proved fraud hadn't been committed. Because you know, that's how America's legal system works. Presumed guilty until proven innocent.

wow....My bad...Ok....can I be like Dear President, never admit I am wrong and remind you I was being sarcastic....then maybe use the Trump Covid response playbook and say "He will leave...eventually.....like a miracle...you know...when the heat comes....he will magically go away..."?

 

After all it is what it is....

36 minutes ago, pkspeaker said:

But WHO would confront them?  Especially if they came blended in with a people power march/sit in (like the yellow & red shirts did here).  It's not going to be the Secret Service as OneMoreFarang said on page 8.  The SS has a specific mission of protecting the President and there are only a small number of them on the scene, they may decide to stop that function if they perceive their mission has concluded; But they will certainly not engage in crowd dispersal, or open fire on the gun toting 'protesters' we have been seeing in American cities in the past few years.  Neither is the DC police and neither is the DC National Guard.  

 

I'm not looking into a crystal ball and saying this scenario will happen, but it is clearly an option for the MAGA's as much as it is here; And they can operate independently of Trump if they wish, just like the red & yellow shirts did here.

A "people power march/sit in" where?  Unless they force their way onto the White House grounds the Secret Service can still escort Trump out of the White House.  Forcing their way past the White House perimeter wouldn't be easy; the area is very secure.

 

If all they do is form a crowd outside the White House entrance, Trump will probably take advantage of Secret Service protection and limo past them.

14 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Not surprisingly he reneged on it later. He said he would leave only if Biden proved fraud hadn't been committed. Because you know, that's how America's legal system works. Presumed guilty until proven innocent.

Donald Trump’s final demand of Joe Biden before conceding defeat

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/donald-trumps-final-demand-of-joe-biden-before-conceding-defeat/news-story/b4813991f30abd72543fc4362b81348a

i bet he will sneak out the back door like a mongrel dog

48 minutes ago, KhunFred said:

As the world laughs at the USA.

The world will always be jealous of the USA, regardless. Always have, always will.

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

The world will always be jealous of the USA, regardless. Always have, always will.

It is a combination of jealousy and our own policy mistakes. We Americans keep our noses where they don't belong.

6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

The world will always be jealous of the USA, regardless. Always have, always will.

Just the health system alone. I think the only OECD nations that rank lower are chile and mexico. And the rapid decline of the middle class and the aggrandizement of more and more power by the super wealthy. So much to envy. Did I forget to mention the decline in longevity?

https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-deeply-puzzling/

Please continue to laugh at America. We need it and deserve it.

A personal attack has been removed

1 minute ago, chokrai said:

https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-deeply-puzzling/

Even if they cram Biden into the Whitehouse this is not going away.

2 hours ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

Rudy Giuliani’s big fall: How former New York mayor has become a Trump laughing stock

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/rudy-giulianis-big-fall-how-former-new-york-mayor-has-become-a-trump-laughing-stock/news-story/b60565b276c61698b1c72031ac334e4e

Where did it all go wrong? Perhaps believing Trump's BS, perhaps his own.

2 hours ago, pkspeaker said:

But WHO would confront them?  Especially if they came blended in with a people power march/sit in (like the yellow & red shirts did here).  It's not going to be the Secret Service as OneMoreFarang said on page 8.  The SS has a specific mission of protecting the President and there are only a small number of them on the scene, they may decide to stop that function if they perceive their mission has concluded; But they will certainly not engage in crowd dispersal, or open fire on the gun toting 'protesters' we have been seeing in American cities in the past few years.  Neither is the DC police and neither is the DC National Guard.  

 

I'm not looking into a crystal ball and saying this scenario will happen, but it is clearly an option for the MAGA's as much as it is here; And they can operate independently of Trump if they wish, just like the red & yellow shirts did here.

The comparison with Thailand in 2014 is complerely irrelevant. In the US, the Judiciary, the army, high civil servants, and protest organizers would not be part of the same network, as they were in Thailand. 

28 minutes ago, chokrai said:

https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-deeply-puzzling/

 

Patrick Basham is a trump promoter / pollster who had claimed trump would win by a landslide. To date no claims of fraud have been accepted by US courts despite 40 plus lawsuits. Basham is yet another BS artist from trump world.

43 minutes ago, chokrai said:

https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-deeply-puzzling/

Where's the beef? Only blah blah, no evidence.

Reported posts removed.  

 

40 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

3 hours ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

Rudy Giuliani’s big fall: How former New York mayor has become a Trump laughing stock

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/rudy-giulianis-big-fall-how-former-new-york-mayor-has-become-a-trump-laughing-stock/news-story/b60565b276c61698b1c72031ac334e4e

Where did it all go wrong? Perhaps believing Trump's BS, perhaps his own.

 

All I want to say is that Rudy was a republican mayor at the time that the world trade centre attack happened, under a republican presidency.

 

We all know the rumours, and facts, that have done the rounds about that event, and about Bush's connections to the Arab world in that regard

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

The world will always be jealous of the USA, regardless. Always have, always will.

Jealous of rotten social supports,racism, gross disadvantage ,highest Covid infections, climbing death rates,  high gun killings.  

7 hours ago, RocketDog said:

As the man's power, influence, and ability to cause harm wane, I may eventually be able to feel pity for him. 

 

He truly is a pathetic figure, one whose state of being is pathos. His psychological condition makes him vulnerable to rapid degeneration and failure. He has built up a grandiose vision of a perpetual presidency in his mind for so long now, abetted by his rabid following.

Now that his ejection is imminent he will not be able to cope with the reality of his failure. The truly historic proportions of his personal failure in this election are inescapable even to him. 

 

In my opinion he will crumble and suffer what psychiatrists call dissociation, commonly referred to as 'a mental breakdown' from which he will not recover. Like other megalomaniacs such as  Hitler and Howard Hughes he will become permanently despondent and reclusive. He has no inner core of self-worth despite his outward self-righteousness and belligerent bluster.

 

He will finally perceive that the superficial adulation of his sycophants is hollow and self-serving; this will crush him. The legendary persona he has fashioned and nurtured in his own mind will crumble, exposing him to himself as the morally empty suit he has always been.Sociopaths like him are far better at blithely inflicting pain than they are at suffering and recovering from it. 

 

He has indeed earned a place in American history but in an inverted sense relative to his aspirations. He is a contemporaneous 'The Man Who Would Be King' object lesson. 

 

Other than his upcoming litigious turbulence he is finished as a public figure of any worthwhile significance. For that at least we can be thankful. He will become solely an object of public ridicule and darkly gratuitous entertainment.

 

If I ever get around to it I may pity him someday, but not any time soon. He is the architect of his own demise. 

 

 

So in short ; He has gone potty !

1 hour ago, chokrai said:

Even if they cram Biden into the Whitehouse this is not going away.

It will go away once Trump is outside the United States in a place with no extradition treaty, or in prison where he belongs. No one has been "crammed" into the White House. Biden won. He should have won by the biggest landslide in history, if the electorate were responsible, but many seem to be "MERKA right or wrong" types. We have been at war for most of our history, that needs to stop.

1 hour ago, chokrai said:

https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-deeply-puzzling/

 

1 hour ago, chokrai said:

Even if they cram Biden into the Whitehouse this is not going away.

I wasted 15 minutes of my life to actually read this piece. Again, no evidence for anything, just a lot of assertions plus the usual attempt to cast doubt by throwing random data at the reader (“Germany beat Brazil 7-1, but they never beat Brazil 7-1, so there you have it.”). 
 

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