6 minutes ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

Here is a link for you

Coronavirus US: COVID named number one killer of Americans

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-us-covid-named-number-one-killer-of-americans/news-story/23348684ea16fc8c4761744bdfe6e174

 

The issue is that they're counting people who die WITH Covid.  Not the people who die FROM Covid.  If more of the people are testing positive, it's only natural that more people who die (of any cause) will also have Covid when they pass away.  

 

Read the small print on the CDC reported data.  It's there...in great detail.

3 hours ago, Salerno said:

At 76 years of age, he could very well end up being part of the statistics in a week or so.

On 12/6/2020 at 1:33 AM, impulse said:

 

The issue is that they're counting people who die WITH Covid.  Not the people who die FROM Covid.  If more of the people are testing positive, it's only natural that more people who die (of any cause) will also have Covid when they pass away.  

 

Read the small print on the CDC reported data.  It's there...in great detail.

It's the same as is the case with deaths reported from flu. So what?

The most telling statistic is excess deaths.

15 hours ago, Salerno said:

 

Rudy meets Reaper!

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Someone is lying. 

Southern California ICU beds at 0% amid COVID-19 surge - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

 

 

 

On 12/6/2020 at 1:33 AM, impulse said:

 

The issue is that they're counting people who die WITH Covid.  Not the people who die FROM Covid.  If more of the people are testing positive, it's only natural that more people who die (of any cause) will also have Covid when they pass away.  

 

Read the small print on the CDC reported data.  It's there...in great detail.

Your comments might have some validity if it weren't for the fact of excess mortality. In fact, it's the general opinion among the experts that deaths from Covid are actually being undercounted. And just to forestall another objections, flu deaths are counted exactly the same way as covid deaths.

On 12/3/2020 at 10:09 PM, Susco said:

 

 

It is just another unofficial guestimate, and that was clearly not what I asked for.

 

Why is the number of expected deaths for 2020 a convenient 350.000 lower than other years? Is that because otherwise there can be no excess deaths?

 

Why is the number of observed deaths not higher than previous years?

Because it is not a full 12 months. 2020 has not ended yet. It's 11 months only. 

Off-topic, troll post reported and removed.

 

 

I don't know where you get your numbers from. Here are 2 tables I copied from the CDC. One shows the deaths in 2020 for each of the first 6 months. 

The second shows the deaths for each month of 2020. As you can see, every month so far tallied in 2020 has more deaths than in 2019. April 2020 had over 80000 more deaths than April 2019.

State and National Provisional Counts (cdc.gov)

 

True Pandemic Toll in the U.S. Reaches 377,000

By Josh Katz, Denise Lu and Margot Sanger-KatzUpdated Dec. 16, 2020

Deaths in every state of the country are higher than they would be in a normal year, according to an analysis of estimates from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention...

Deaths nationwide were 19 percent higher than normal from March 15 to Dec. 5. Altogether, the analysis shows that 377,000 more people than normal have died in the United States during that period, a number that may be an undercount since recent death statistics are still being updated.

True Pandemic Toll in the U.S. Reaches 377,000 - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

My little compare and contrast; 

 

In Thailand, intentionally false covid information could cause you to scrape up bail money. 

 

In America, you get banned for posting valid scientific research papers that differ from the orthodox information pushed by simple unscientific policy-makers.

 

In my mind, stupid should hurt the stupid, not everyone else.

2 hours ago, ding said:

My little compare and contrast; 

 

In Thailand, intentionally false covid information could cause you to scrape up bail money. 

 

In America, you get banned for posting valid scientific research papers that differ from the orthodox information pushed by simple unscientific policy-makers.

 

In my mind, stupid should hurt the stupid, not everyone else.

Care to share the names of those scientists who authored these research papers?

Seems like we're pushing the time period per death to new lows.

 

One death per minute felt a bit shocking. Now we're down to 33 seconds.

 

 

A death every 33 seconds

 

It’s hard to resist the sense that the slowly growing number of deaths in the United States each day is a tragedy of world-shaping proportions. For all of the efforts by some to diminish the death toll and to shrug at the steadily expanding saturation of American hospital beds, our country is losing an American every 33 seconds to covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus that emerged last year.

 

Every time you listen to Bing Crosby’s “White Christmas,” about five people have died of the virus between the beginning and the end of the song.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/19/death-every-30-seconds/

 

11 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Seems like we're pushing the time period per death to new lows.

 

One death per minute felt a bit shocking. Now we're down to 33 seconds.

 

 

A death every 33 seconds

 

It’s hard to resist the sense that the slowly growing number of deaths in the United States each day is a tragedy of world-shaping proportions. For all of the efforts by some to diminish the death toll and to shrug at the steadily expanding saturation of American hospital beds, our country is losing an American every 33 seconds to covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus that emerged last year.

 

Every time you listen to Bing Crosby’s “White Christmas,” about five people have died of the virus between the beginning and the end of the song.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/19/death-every-30-seconds/

 

 

I never did like that song.  Perhaps we need earplugs as well as masks (just a quip before everyone starts).