Trump keeps up false claims of widespread fraud at Georgia rally for U.S. senators

[GroveHillWanderer]

45 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

Yes, can even run while incarcerated.

True - the eligibility requirements to be a US presidential candidate are remarkably minimal.

 

Quote

"As directed by the Constitution, a presidential candidate must be a natural born citizen of the United States, a resident for 14 years, and 35 years of age or older."

 

That's it. No other requirements or restrictions.

Edited December 8, 2020 by GroveHillWanderer

[Jeffr2]

Can't wait for this.  But Trump will still be in Florida.  Doubt he'll be back after the holidays.  It will be the first time in a long time a sitting president didn't attend the inauguration.  Horrible leader.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/04/opinions/electoral-college-important-dates-before-inauguration-alexander/

Mike Pence is going to put the seal on Donald Trump's defeat

[Eric Loh]

30 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  I really do not want to spend all day everyday talking about Trump , infact , I dont know why I even opened this thread 

You seem an intelligent man and have many good postings. I am sure you know that Trump is over and his resistance has nothing to do with his chance of overturning the election. This is just his attempt to secure his brand to be used for purpose of marketing post presidency. He is a master of branding and he now know he has a large captive market which I am sure he will exploit for his political and financial gains. Let's stop giving him air time to bring gullible people down his rabbit hole of overturning the election.  

[PatOngo]

On 12/7/2020 at 10:37 AM, Tippaporn said:

Uhm, please point out the BS in my post.  Specifically.

Who's going to be a sorry boy when Joe Biden gets inaugurated and moves into the white house on Jan 20?

[FritsSikkink]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

A lot of lives were lost because of it.

While Trump may lie ( as most politicians do IMO ) the death toll because of them is somewhat less than in Iraq.

Not true at all, way more people died in the USA because of his Covid lies.

[ThaiFelix]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Reuters?

I think we could say any politician is a liar and few would dispute it.

True but its not blasted across the headlines constantly like it is with Trump.  Get it now?

 

[Tie Dye Samurai]

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  For crying out load , that gets repeated over and over and over again on these forums .

*Yeah, cuz its true* 

Everyday , numerous times *Trump is a liar* 

what is it you have a problem with....Trump being a liar, people acknowledging he is a liar or the fact you feel a need to defend his lies? You should really unburden yourself and accept the fact that the truth means nothing to a man like Donald Trump. The truth for Trump is usually an unfortunate obstacle that has to be navigated to get what he wants.

[ThaiFelix]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  I really do not want to spend all day everyday talking about Trump , infact , I dont know why I even opened this thread 

I strongly suggest you not read any thread that has Trump in it if thats the case??

[FritsSikkink]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Yes, even if it's in 2024, he'll be back in the White House IMO.

He will be in jail for bank and tax fraud.

[dundas]

It's kind of interesting, this debate where people presumably outside the US still argue vehemently as if they'd never left the place. 

 

For me, (and OK, I'm not a US citizen), reprehensible as Trump is, the question really is: are the Democrats any better? Obama's selection of his first cabinet was influenced mightily by Citibank, it was a government run for the benefit of corporates, it left out the ordinary people especially the middle class who saw job security become more tenuous and incomes just continue to drop,  so no wonder there was fertile ground for a populist like Trump promising to 'drain the swamp.' 

 

To answer my own question: the way Trump has attacked institutions in the US (and is continuing to do so even in the twilight of his presidency), the US has come awfully close to something resembling a tin pot fascist state. Trying to force state governors to ignore the will of the people is symbolic of how far he's willing to destroy the things that actually do make America great, just to serve his own ends. I really hope he continues to lose. 

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

So you were against Biden because of his age, but you're OK with Trump being old when running next time?

Quote me saying that I was against Biden because of his age. If you can't you made it up.

Edited December 8, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[Walker88]

1 hour ago, dundas said:

It's kind of interesting, this debate where people presumably outside the US still argue vehemently as if they'd never left the place. 

 

For me, (and OK, I'm not a US citizen), reprehensible as Trump is, the question really is: are the Democrats any better? Obama's selection of his first cabinet was influenced mightily by Citibank, it was a government run for the benefit of corporates, it left out the ordinary people especially the middle class who saw job security become more tenuous and incomes just continue to drop,  so no wonder there was fertile ground for a populist like Trump promising to 'drain the swamp.' 

 

To answer my own question: the way Trump has attacked institutions in the US (and is continuing to do so even in the twilight of his presidency), the US has come awfully close to something resembling a tin pot fascist state. Trying to force state governors to ignore the will of the people is symbolic of how far he's willing to destroy the things that actually do make America great, just to serve his own ends. I really hope he continues to lose. 

Obama faced the worst economy in 75 years and a financial system on the brink of collapse. His first job was to re-establish confidence in the system, the banks, insurers, money markets and the corporate debt market. He did that. He forced banks to recapitalize and slash leverage. He saved insurers and auto companies.

 

The mess he inherited was a result of the 'solution' to a problem that is intractable, which is the obviation of labor in an increasingly technological world.  Most jobs that corporate America outsourced went to way stations with the next stop oblivion. Labor has no pricing power.

 

What the US in particular and the world in general tried to do to address labor obviation was to make debt easier to obtain and manufacture a third source of household income, which was home equity. It was doomed to failure, and it happened to blow up in 2007-2008, leading to the Great Recession.

 

Growth was about as good as can be in the 2008-1016 period, and the stock market soared 220%. Jobs were created, but largely service sector, where so far there is no technological solution. Obama passed 45 a soaring equity market, 4.8% UE (down from 10.4%), banks only levered 10:1 vs 40:1 in 2008, and growth of about 2%.

 

$5 came along promising pie-in-the-sky and had a willing audience of people who lack the skills to compete in a modern technological world. It was snake oil, but it resonated because people were scared of being left behind, when in fact nature left them behind. 45 then opened the debt spigot and under him National Debt rose 40% or a new $7,000,000,000,000, yet growth was nowhere near the rise in debt relative to GDP. That's woefully inefficient, and he will leave with UE a deceptive 6.7%, deceptive because a million workers have given up the search for work and no longer count as unemployed.

 

Biden inherits a weak economy, high UE, massive debt and a pandemic....plus the problem of labor's lack of pricing power has not only not gone away, it will only get worse as capital owners seek to minimize the use of human labor.

Edited December 8, 2020 by Walker88

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Not true at all, way more people died in the USA because of his Covid lies.

http://web.mit.edu/humancostiraq/

The second household survey, conducted by the Hopkins scientists again, was completed in June 2006 and published four months later in The Lancet. Its findings: 650,000 people (civilians and fighters) died as a result of the war in Iraq.

 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Last updated: December 08, 2020, 10:05 GMT

 United States

Deaths:

290,474

Edited December 8, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Biden inherits a weak economy, high UE, massive debt and a pandemic....plus the problem of labor's lack of pricing power has not only not gone away, it will only get worse as capital owners seek to minimize the use of human labor.

 

it will only get worse as capital owners seek to minimize the use of human labor.

Well, you got that right, IMO.

 

IMO Trump is fortunate to be out of it as the economic problems are going to be vast when the unemployment assistance ends end of the month, unless the senate can come up with something pretty quick.

Even if the senate does avoid the abyss, the problems are still going to be huuuuuge.

[CorpusChristie]

18 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

$5 came along promising pie-in-the-sky and had a willing audience of people who lack the skills to compete in a modern technological world.

 

  No need to Capitalise the 4/$ , gets confusing 

[stevenl]

22 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

http://web.mit.edu/humancostiraq/

The second household survey, conducted by the Hopkins scientists again, was completed in June 2006 and published four months later in The Lancet. Its findings: 650,000 people (civilians and fighters) died as a result of the war in Iraq.

 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Last updated: December 08, 2020, 10:05 GMT

 United States

Deaths:

290,474

If you want to make that comparison, you should compare covid-19 deaths worldwide.

[placeholder]

46 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

http://web.mit.edu/humancostiraq/

The second household survey, conducted by the Hopkins scientists again, was completed in June 2006 and published four months later in The Lancet. Its findings: 650,000 people (civilians and fighters) died as a result of the war in Iraq.

 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Last updated: December 08, 2020, 10:05 GMT

 United States

Deaths:

290,474

Fine. Trump only comes in 2nd since 1974

[FritsSikkink]

50 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

http://web.mit.edu/humancostiraq/

The second household survey, conducted by the Hopkins scientists again, was completed in June 2006 and published four months later in The Lancet. Its findings: 650,000 people (civilians and fighters) died as a result of the war in Iraq.

 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Last updated: December 08, 2020, 10:05 GMT

 United States

Deaths:

290,474

I am talking about USA deaths as your great hero says he only cares about America (more likely only him self)

Edited December 8, 2020 by FritsSikkink

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

http://web.mit.edu/humancostiraq/

The second household survey, conducted by the Hopkins scientists again, was completed in June 2006 and published four months later in The Lancet. Its findings: 650,000 people (civilians and fighters) died as a result of the war in Iraq.

 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Last updated: December 08, 2020, 10:05 GMT

 United States

Deaths:

290,474

Comparing that awful unjust slaughter to Covid or anything Trump has done is a total joke. I really can't believe how some say he is the worst president ever when Bush was not very long ago and Obama even less. I hope the people going after Trump haven't forgotten the previous ones. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

650,000 people (civilians and fighters) died as a result of the war in Iraq.

Don’t you think you’re desperately trying to defend someone or something when you choose war as the benchmark? War, that’s where soldiers and terrorists kill each other with bombs and tanks and stuff. 

[Neeranam]

35 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

I am talking about USA deaths as your great hero says he only cares about America (more likely only him self)

Blaming Covid deaths in Trump? Whatever next, this is clutching at straws. Take a look at the deaths in neighbouring countries. 

[joecoolfrog]

8 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  For crying out load , that gets repeated over and over and over again on these forums .

*Yeah, cuz its true* 

Everyday , numerous times *Trump is a liar* 

Yep its demonstrably true , why do you think so many are still in denial?

[CharlieH]

Reported off topic generalisation and response removed.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Blaming Covid deaths in Trump? Whatever next, this is clutching at straws. 

Wrong, this is just stating facts. If trump had shown even a hint of leadership the Covid-19 death toll would have been substantially lower. You don't have to be much smarter than a mollusk to realize this.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Blaming Covid deaths in Trump? Whatever next, this is clutching at straws. Take a look at the deaths in neighbouring countries. 

I compared the United States' performance to Canada. It shares a long border with the US and it has a comparably advanced economy with similar resources. America has 8.66 times the population of Canada. So if I multiply the total number of Canadian covid deaths, 12,777 by 8.66 the product is 110, 649. In the USA the current total is 290, 649.  That's a mere difference of 180,000.

And Canada operates under something of a handicap since the average age of Canadians is 40.9 Whereas the average age of Americans is 37.9

[Phoenix Rising]

[Trump] is at it again, spewing lies and/or state secrets. There is just no limits to this guy's stupidity, no limit at all. Imagine being so far gone you're actually cheering this idiot!

 

Trump bragged about a weapon that doesn't appear to actually exist to a cheering crowd in Georgia

 

""Brand new missiles and rockets, hypersonic missiles, we have hypersonic and hydrosonic," Trump said in Valdosta, "you know what hydrosonic is, water."

"We have them all," he continued, "we have missiles that can go seven times faster than any missile in the world." As he finished these remarks, the crowd loudly chanted "USA, USA, USA!""

 

I'm willing to make a large bet that the combined IQ at that event did not exceed 3 figures. Any takers?

 

 

Edited December 9, 2020 by onthedarkside
name calling reference removed

[placeholder]

14 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

[Trump] is at it again, spewing lies and/or state secrets. There is just no limits to this guy's stupidity, no limit at all. Imagine being so far gone you're actually cheering this idiot!

 

Trump bragged about a weapon that doesn't appear to actually exist to a cheering crowd in Georgia

 

""Brand new missiles and rockets, hypersonic missiles, we have hypersonic and hydrosonic," Trump said in Valdosta, "you know what hydrosonic is, water."

"We have them all," he continued, "we have missiles that can go seven times faster than any missile in the world." As he finished these remarks, the crowd loudly chanted "USA, USA, USA!""

 

I'm willing to make a large bet that the combined IQ at that event did not exceed 3 figures. Any takers?

 

 

Why the gratuitous insults at Trump supporters? Yes, they're mostly very ignorant of public policy and government affairs in general. As is Trump. But ignorance is not the same thing as intelligence.

[pomchop]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

Why the gratuitous insults at Trump supporters? Yes, they're mostly very ignorant of public policy and government affairs in general. As is Trump. But ignorance is not the same thing as intelligence.

Ignorant is defined as :lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.

 

Anyone who has watched or listened for four+ years to Trump tell lie after lie after lie, praise someone one day and fire them the second they dare question anything he does or says, cons his cult to send in hundreds of millions to fatten his bank accounts, encourages his cult to ignore basic safety precautions re covid,  is not very intelligent as they seem incapable of processing information.  Fool me once shame on you:  Fool me twice shame on me.

 

An intelligent person will learn from their mistakes.  A trumper continues to drink the kool aid long after it's expiration date.  Intelligent?  I don't think so.

[candide]

Republicans are really shameless cheaters!

 

Texas asks U.S. Supreme Court to help Trump upend election

https://news.yahoo.com/texas-asks-u-supreme-court-152630191.html

[Tie Dye Samurai]

5 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

The moron is at it again, spewing lies and/or state secrets. There is just no limits to this guy's stupidity, no limit at all. Imagine being so far gone you're actually cheering this idiot!

 

Trump bragged about a weapon that doesn't appear to actually exist to a cheering crowd in Georgia

 

""Brand new missiles and rockets, hypersonic missiles, we have hypersonic and hydrosonic," Trump said in Valdosta, "you know what hydrosonic is, water."

"We have them all," he continued, "we have missiles that can go seven times faster than any missile in the world." As he finished these remarks, the crowd loudly chanted "USA, USA, USA!""

 

I'm willing to make a large bet that the combined IQ at that event did not exceed 3 figures. Any takers?

 

 

Just imagine how great he is going to be at keeping national secrets when he is out of office and craving attention. 

 

 

Edited December 8, 2020 by Tie Dye Samurai