UK had 'one or two' Brexit teething issues on fishing, minister says

[7by7]

8 hours ago, vinny41 said:

She didn't read it as soon as it was released on Christmas Eve

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/13/fisheries-minister-admits-not-reading-brexit-bill-as-she-was-at-nativity

 

Apart from the fact that it was her job to read it then!

 

The closest I can find to when she did read it is from her local paper

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"I was desperately keen to read the text of the Treaty (once a government lawyer, always a government lawyer) and did so as soon as it was published several days later.”

 

She's the fisheries minister but couldn't see the agreement until several days after it was signed! 

 

How many other ministers were kept likewise in the dark?

 

[7by7]

6 hours ago, Tofer said:

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Why can't you rejoice in the positives for a change. 

 

On many occasions on this forum Brexiteers have been asked to name one positive of Brexit.

 

So far none have provided one; can you?

[stevenl]

47 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Why not provide a link on uk vs eu vaccinations then?

Which again has nothing to do with brexit.

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

On many occasions on this forum Brexiteers have been asked to name one positive of Brexit.

 

So far none have provided one; can you?

I can, fishing the doggers bank has decreased tremendously, very good for nature.

[7by7]

3 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

There is some data to suggest the uncertainty over Brexit caused some losses in investment. 

You have not published any data to support billions lost as a direct result of leaving the EU.

 

Such data has been produced. You refused to accept it.

 

Data has also been produced showing how much HMG has spent so far on Brexit; £8billion and rising. You ignored it.

 

Here in one easy report is most of that data again; including how any estimates were arrived at.

 

How Much Has Brexit Actually Cost The UK?

 

If, you bother to read this one you'll see that it was published in January 2020. So the figures are doubtless higher now; especially government spending. When did government spending ever come in at, let alone below, estimates!

 

 

 

 

[kingdong]

23 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Which again has nothing to do with brexit.

Again cause it has,if we,d still been in the eu we,d be in the same position as them,however as we,re independent we were able to go out and sort our own affairs out without being bound by the eu and their  fiasco handling of it

[CG1 Blue]

15 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Such data has been produced. You refused to accept it.

 

Data has also been produced showing how much HMG has spent so far on Brexit; £8billion and rising. You ignored it.

 

Here in one easy report is most of that data again; including how any estimates were arrived at.

 

How Much Has Brexit Actually Cost The UK?

 

If, you bother to read this one you'll see that it was published in January 2020. So the figures are doubtless higher now; especially government spending. When did government spending ever come in at, let alone below, estimates!

 

 

 

 

Why do you keep repeating the same nonsense?

Government spending on preparation at £6.3billion - I accept that. 

Then there's that £130billion of guesswork from the EU cheerleaders at Bloomberg again!!!

I'm not going to keep going around in circles here. 

[CG1 Blue]

50 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Tell us; why should the EU grant us concessions and privileges no other non member has?

Because the UK were members, friends, allies, contributors (financially and intellectually) for 40 years? 

[candide]

13 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

Likewise, I was not around then. It's the EU who appear to want to make Brexit into a new war, with their petty bans and disruptions. In fact they've been doing it for years with the CAP and the CFP, which strongly favoured their businesses. 

 

Now the EU want to punish the UK for having the audacity to leave their precious club. I almost wish we'd left with a no deal, and could start a fresh on WTO.

 

The EU is just applying rules according to the deal made. UK is currently not doing the same simply because it is unable to implement the new rules. They will be fully implemented from 1 July.

[6lover]

To be honest

 

Regarding Brexit,

 

we have same small group stupid people in Germany called AFD  want German Brexit

leave the EU and EUR Currency.... to be lucky only stupid small group

 

 

What can a dwarf like Germany, France or the UK, without its large EU family, do against economic powers like China, India, ASEAAN or the USA? The small Asian states have come together in ASEEAN, the counterpart to the EU while the UK is now alone in the world. In Asia people laugh at Brexit, especially China, the British dream of their past. You do business with your immediate neighbors first and don't leave your family.

 

 

[bkkcanuck8]

2 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Because the UK were members, friends, allies, contributors (financially and intellectually) for 40 years? 

Then they stuck their fingers in their eyes, slapped their face and called them names... and did so for years (to be fair decades).  [i.e. it approached the negotiation in a very non-professional way]

 

Though to be honest Countries don't have friends, they have allies as such based on common interests etc.  The UK has decided for the most part that they have little in common with the EU and wants to go it's own way placing sovereignty above all else.   Any deal you get into you give up some sovereignty to do as you feel  like at any time you want for a common goal... but you remain sovereign in that you can leave that arrangement subject to the deal you negotiate - which is what the UK did.  

 

The UK should not expect any different treatment than the EU's other 'friends' (pretty much any western country). 

 

It is like you and your wife breaking up, then because you were once wife and husband coming over every dinner at the wifes place because they felt entitled.

[vinny41]

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Apart from the fact that it was her job to read it then!

 

The closest I can find to when she did read it is from her local paper

 

She's the fisheries minister but couldn't see the agreement until several days after it was signed! 

 

How many other ministers were kept likewise in the dark?

 

Maybe you should write to each Minister and ask them your question

As she has stated in your link  she read the agreement as soon as it was published 

 

[bannork]

The British backbone extolled by Tofer seems to be lacking in Cornwall.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9286973/Worlds-largest-daffodil-grower-Cornwall-forced-let-flowers-ROT-not-pickers.html

[Rookiescot]

6 hours ago, kingdong said:

You seem to have an obsession regarding johnson,the rot of political correctness in the uk started long before boris won his landslide election.

You seem to be an apologist for a corrupt and incompetent PM who by his sheer buffoonery has caused the unnecessary deaths of tens of thousands of your fellow Brits.  

[Rookiescot]

4 hours ago, kingdong said:

Again cause it has,if we,d still been in the eu we,d be in the same position as them,however as we,re independent we were able to go out and sort our own affairs out without being bound by the eu and their  fiasco handling of it

 

No country in the EU was bound to join the collective effort to combat coronavirus. The UK could have ordered the vaccines regardless of whether it was a member or not. So Brexit has zero to do with the vaccination program. 

[JonnyF]

6 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

On many occasions on this forum Brexiteers have been asked to name one positive of Brexit.

 

So far none have provided one; can you?

 

You've been given plenty of positives, which you either deny (e.g. vaccine rollout) or claim isn't a real thing (sovereignty, self determination, a purer form of Democracy). 

 

I'm delighted with the results so far but it's only been a few weeks since leaving the transition period, it will be even more obvious in 5 years from now once everyone has adjusted and the remaining trade deals are completed.

 

I can't imagine how bitter you must be to still be going on and on and on about it every day. Look on the bright side, we could have stayed and ended up like France.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1400920/eu-news-France-trade-deficit-eurostat-euro-eurozone-crisis-frexit

 

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

You've been given plenty of positives, which you either deny (e.g. vaccine rollout) or claim isn't a real thing (sovereignty, self determination, a purer form of Democracy). 

 

I'm delighted with the results so far but it's only been a few weeks since leaving the transition period, it will be even more obvious in 5 years from now once everyone has adjusted and the remaining trade deals are completed.

 

I can't imagine how bitter you must be to still be going on and on and on about it every day. Look on the bright side, we could have stayed and ended up like France.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1400920/eu-news-France-trade-deficit-eurostat-euro-eurozone-crisis-frexit

 

Vaccine roll out has nothing at all to do with Brexit.

 

There were absolutely no EU regulations or EU membership rules that would have prevented the UK following its own independent vaccine policies.

 

 

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Vaccine roll out has nothing at all to do with Brexit.

 

There were absolutely no EU regulations or EU membership rules that would have prevented the UK following its own independent vaccine policies.

 

 

You might want to inform the president of the European commission of that. ????

 

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/germanys-coronavirus-vaccine-side-deal-at-odds-with-legally-binding-eu-pact/

 

 

[bkkcanuck8]

25 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

You might want to inform the president of the European commission of that. ????

 

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/germanys-coronavirus-vaccine-side-deal-at-odds-with-legally-binding-eu-pact/

 

 

It is not legally binding as part of being part of the EU, but an agreement between sovereign nations that happen to be in the EU to agree to work together on ordering rather than competing.  If the country decided to join the joint ordering, they agreed not to at the same time compete with it. 

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

It is not legally binding as part of being part of the EU, but an agreement between sovereign nations that happen to be in the EU to agree to work together on ordering rather than competing.  If the country decided to join the joint ordering, they agreed not to at the same time compete with it. 

So all EU 27 countries agreed not to buy separately. But it's just a coincidence that they all "happen to be" in the EU ????.  And a coincidence that their programmes are miles behind the UK which as a non EU member was not required to adhere to such an agreement.

 

https://www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/news/commission-takes-evasive-action-over-germanys-vaccine-side-deal/

 

 

Meanwhile, Germany has made it very clear what they think of their EU led vaccine programme compared to the UK's.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-germanys-top-selling-newspaper-admits-envy-for-uks-vaccine-rollout-12227957

 

 

Germany certainly has my sympathy on this one, they would have been far better handling this alone with the hapless EU trying to control everything and messing up again. Thank god we're out.

[bkkcanuck8]

10 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

So all EU 27 countries agreed not to buy separately. But it's just a coincidence that they all "happen to be" in the EU ????.  And a coincidence that their programmes are miles behind the UK which as a non EU member was not required to adhere to such an agreement.

 

https://www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/news/commission-takes-evasive-action-over-germanys-vaccine-side-deal/

 

 

Meanwhile, Germany has made it very clear what they think of their EU led vaccine programme compared to the UK's.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-germanys-top-selling-newspaper-admits-envy-for-uks-vaccine-rollout-12227957

 

 

Germany certainly has my sympathy on this one, they would have been far better handling this alone with the hapless EU trying to control everything and messing up again. Thank god we're out.

Not a coincidence, but then not forced.  Normally the strategy of having a central agency order and distribute is a better strategy for things like this, but like any government agency sometimes there are failures.   Having 27 countries competing the same thing that is in short supply only usually ends with them driving up the pricing of it and not getting more overall in the end.  Since Europe usually has open borders between countries the goals should be to reduce it as much as possible continent wide so that things can start returning to normal.  Having the vaccines not role out in a strategic way for that to happen only makes things take longer generally.  

 

We have seen the UKs failure to plan and implement Brexit leaving, while the EU government seems to have done much better preparing.  So sometimes one government is better prepared, sometimes not...

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Not a coincidence, but then not forced.  Normally the strategy of having a central agency order and distribute is a better strategy for things like this, but like any government agency sometimes there are failures.   Having 27 countries competing the same thing that is in short supply only usually ends with them driving up the pricing of it and not getting more overall in the end.  Since Europe usually has open borders between countries the goals should be to reduce it as much as possible continent wide so that things can start returning to normal.  Having the vaccines not role out in a strategic way for that to happen only makes things take longer generally.  

 

We have seen the UKs failure to plan and implement Brexit leaving, while the EU government seems to have done much better preparing.  So sometimes one government is better prepared, sometimes not...

 

The fact is that had we been in the EU we would have been included in this EU led vaccine programme with the the other EU 27. 

 

Having left the EU we were not. So to say our vaccine success story is nothing to do with Brexit is deeply disingenuous. It has everything to do with Brexit. It's just that the Remainers and Europhiles refuse to accept it because it embarrasses them that the UK has outperformed the EU so clearly and so comprehensively.

 

I suggest you get used to it. Plenty more to come in the next decade.

[Tofer]

12 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Hope the fish and chips are nice.

 

Thanks, they were perfect. Fresh barracuda off our doorstep, cooked in crispy tempura batter, and by reputation from our time in the restaurant business in Phuket, better than Harry Ramsdens in Hong Kong. Eaten under the stars on a moonlit night listening to the waves lapping on our shoreline. Certainly don't miss any pub barstools....

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

You might want to inform the president of the European commission of that. ????

 

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/germanys-coronavirus-vaccine-side-deal-at-odds-with-legally-binding-eu-pact/

 

 

You might want to put that in the context it belongs in.

 

The EU invited member nations to join a common vaccine supply scheme, once joined nations were bound by the law tens of that scheme.

 

There was absolutely no EU law/regulation or rule forcing nations to sign up to the scheme.

 

You’ve misrepresented the facts of the matter.

[Chomper Higgot]

57 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

The fact is that had we been in the EU we would have been included in this EU led vaccine programme with the the other EU 27. 

 

Having left the EU we were not. So to say our vaccine success story is nothing to do with Brexit is deeply disingenuous. It has everything to do with Brexit. It's just that the Remainers and Europhiles refuse to accept it because it embarrasses them that the UK has outperformed the EU so clearly and so comprehensively.

 

I suggest you get used to it. Plenty more to come in the next decade.

That’s not a fact, you made it up.

 

EU membership did not mandate signing up to the ‘vaccine procurement pact’.

 

It’s why it was called a ‘pact’,

 

 

[Tofer]

9 hours ago, 7by7 said:

I know that Vote.Leave promised you that we could leave the EU and still retain all the advantages of membership; but they either lied or were stupid enough to believe it themselves!

 

Same old nugget, we don't want the advantages or disadvantages of the EU club.

 

What we want is fair trading. As has been clearly shown the EU are bent on a determination to disrupt trade and punish UK at every opportunity, before you ask for proof, look at the title of the post.

• Shellfish banned since our waters, all of a sudden, overnight on the 31st Dec. became polluted! Perhaps we should ban the EU fishermen, since our waters are obviously not up to their standards.
• Financial services refused equivalence, because the UK ""MIGHT"" change their regulations, contrary to the terms of the most favoured nation status set out in the WTO, and again nothing changed overnight.
• Truckers sandwiches confiscated.
• Access refused on the basis of punctuation errors on shipping documents.

9 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Tell us; why should the EU grant us concessions and privileges no other non member has?

 

What exactly are these privileges you claim we want?

[Chomper Higgot]

Vivid vaccine decisions and By exit:

 

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/covid-vaccine-decisions-brexit

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Tofer said:

 

Same old nugget, we don't want the advantages or disadvantages of the EU club.

 

What we want is fair trading. As has been clearly shown the EU are bent on a determination to disrupt trade and punish UK at every opportunity, before you ask for proof, look at the title of the post.

• Shellfish banned since our waters, all of a sudden, overnight on the 31st Dec. became polluted! Perhaps we should ban the EU fishermen, since our waters are obviously not up to their standards.
• Financial services refused equivalence, because the UK ""MIGHT"" change their regulations, contrary to the terms of the most favoured nation status set out in the WTO, and again nothing changed overnight.
• Truckers sandwiches confiscated.
• Access refused on the basis of punctuation errors on shipping documents.

 

What exactly are these privileges you claim we want?

You’ve just listed a few:

 

 

lol

[Tofer]

8 hours ago, 7by7 said:

On many occasions on this forum Brexiteers have been asked to name one positive of Brexit.

 

And many times you've been answered, so I'm not about to repeat myself.

[Tofer]

5 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

The UK should not expect any different treatment than the EU's other 'friends' (pretty much any western country). 

 

We wish....

 

Explain then the reticence of the EU to accept equivalence of the UK's financial services, when they freely have with the USA?