4 hours ago, bannork said:

The British backbone extolled by Tofer seems to be lacking in Cornwall.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9286973/Worlds-largest-daffodil-grower-Cornwall-forced-let-flowers-ROT-not-pickers.html

 

You're forgetting all about Covid, yet again.

 

Extract from your quoted article;

But since Covid and the end of free movement following Brexit, the business only has around 400 flower pickers.  

1 hour ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

It is not legally binding as part of being part of the EU, but an agreement between sovereign nations that happen to be in the EU to agree to work together on ordering rather than competing.  If the country decided to join the joint ordering, they agreed not to at the same time compete with it. 

 

But they are committed to the Euro and the EU recovery fund that they will be paying into  for some time to come, despite it being against EU rules of 'shared debt'.

 

We've been over this at length, do we really have to repeat it all?

6 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

We wish....

 

Explain then the reticence of the EU to accept equivalence of the UK's financial services, when they freely have with the USA?

The US has been pushing for stricter regulations with reporting on countries that have catered to people who evade taxes... the UK however is an offender and while they were in the EU the likelihood of the EU being able to tighten regulations was a little more limited. Not saying this is the reason... the reason is actually much simpler (IMHO).... When countries enter trading agreements each side negotiates with an eye on the bottom line - is opening the market in this area offset by the other side offering something of equal benefit so that it is a win-win situation... The UK either was unwilling or unable to offer something worthwhile on it... and on one hand they want to exclude a whole section of services (free movement of labour), and on the other hand they want other services included that are to their benefit...  The starting point was WTO rules (not being part of EU - UK had already committed to leaving).

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You’ve just listed a few:

 

Have you forgotten we're meant to have a free trade agreement with the EU?

 

Or maybe they aren't respecting it because they can't pull their finger out to sign it. I was under the impression it was active under a temporary approval.

58 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

Have you forgotten we're meant to have a free trade agreement with the EU?

 

Or maybe they aren't respecting it because they can't pull their finger out to sign it. I was under the impression it was active under a temporary approval.

 

Did you miss the bit about no deal will be as good as that enjoyed by member states?

10 hours ago, 7by7 said:

So far none have provided one; can you?

 

This has been answered on many previous occasions. 

 

However, here's a new one for you;

 

1500 financial and insurance services companies have applied for licences to operate in the UK, including 1,000 new operators, with over a third of those coming from European nations.

 

Somewhat flies in the face of the Armageddon predictions, and much more substantial evidence to the contrary, than the few short term teething problems championed by you remainers. 

10 hours ago, kingdong said:

Again cause it has,if we,d still been in the eu we,d be in the same position as them,however as we,re independent we were able to go out and sort our own affairs out without being bound by the eu and their  fiasco handling of it

No, you were free to go your own way, as you did. Nothing to do with the EU, all EU countries were free to go their own way.

44 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

This has been answered on many previous occasions. 

 

However, here's a new one for you;

 

1500 financial and insurance services companies have applied for licences to operate in the UK, including 1,000 new operators, with over a third of those coming from European nations.

 

Somewhat flies in the face of the Armageddon predictions, and much more substantial evidence to the contrary, than the few short term teething problems championed by you remainers. 

Link please.

3 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

You're forgetting all about Covid, yet again.

 

Extract from your quoted article;

But since Covid and the end of free movement following Brexit, the business only has around 400 flower pickers.  

Who can forget Covid? Actually nearly everyone in rural Thailand, thank god. No, Tofer, it's not Covid, it's the same situation as pre- Covid when farmers couldn't get UK workers to work on farms. 

A bunch of namby pamby snowflakes if you ask me, cut their benefits and let them eat fish caught in British waters.

5 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

You're forgetting all about Covid, yet again.

 

Extract from your quoted article;

But since Covid and the end of free movement following Brexit, the business only has around 400 flower pickers.  

Exactly, Covid! 

Obviously, you did not read the whole article. The higher unemployment rates caused by Covid should have made it easier to find local manpower, but the work is too hard for them!

 

Quotes:

"Hopes that Cornish workers could step into the shoes of those who are now unable to travel from the European Union have been dashed. "It's idealistic to think that because of Covid and the higher than usual unemployment rates that those people would come in and do that work."

'Frankly, the people that we've had to come and do this work, the locals, may last a day or two days, but they certainly don't last two or three months.'

 

5 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

Have you forgotten we're meant to have a free trade agreement with the EU?

 

Or maybe they aren't respecting it because they can't pull their finger out to sign it. I was under the impression it was active under a temporary approval.

Free trade in goods. Not free trade in services. Most of the UK's exports to the EU consisted of services.

41 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

now that's funny as a credible source ????

Whaddya mean? I visited its website and they claim that China is on the verge of an economic collapse. That its semiconductor industry is on the ropes.

Good reasons for Britain leaving the EU? Apart from the obvious, like your own sovereignty and as Covid runs riot through the Frog rugby team and England is vaccinating flat out is thank God Brits aren’t fronting up to the massive trade deficit the Frogs are. Another failing EU state the Germans will have to prop up without the Brits help. 

21 minutes ago, Roadman said:

Good reasons for Britain leaving the EU? Apart from the obvious, like your own sovereignty and as Covid runs riot through the Frog rugby team and England is vaccinating flat out is thank God Brits aren’t fronting up to the massive trade deficit the Frogs are. Another failing EU state the Germans will have to prop up without the Brits help. 

 

Can you tell me what this sovereignty thing looks like, please? I have been trying to spot it for months but I've come up with naught. Surely it can be defined in a tangible manner, and is not just an empty, vacuous lie intended to appeal to those who routinely fail to read beyond the headlines?

8 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Can you tell me what this sovereignty thing looks like, please? I have been trying to spot it for months but I've come up with naught. Surely it can be defined in a tangible manner, and is not just an empty, vacuous lie intended to appeal to those who routinely fail to read beyond the headlines?

You still haven't come to terms with democracy RR, one step at a time eh.????

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

You still haven't come to terms with democracy RR, one step at a time eh.????

What you the bit of democracy where people are free to hold and express their peaceful views on the direction the nation is headed?

7 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

Have you forgotten we're meant to have a free trade agreement with the EU?

 

Or maybe they aren't respecting it because they can't pull their finger out to sign it. I was under the impression it was active under a temporary approval.

You mean, having cake,then eating said cake.

2 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

now that's funny as a credible source ????

Up there with the Daily Express and Daily Mail.

1 hour ago, Roadman said:

thank God Brits aren’t fronting up to the massive trade deficit the Frogs are

As usual, a statement without any source which is actually fake news! ????

https://data.oecd.org/trade/current-account-balance-forecast.htm

Substantial friction is the name of the game

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/brexit-trade-delays-getting-worse-at-uk-border-survey-finds/ar-BB1dYzyd

 

On 2/9/2021 at 6:53 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

Where should we expect the truth about Brexit and Boris?

In the rightwing tabloids or more likely in the Observer and the Guardian?

The problem with Boris and Brexit is that it is a disaster. Don't blame the (left) press for reporting exactly that.

Wasn't a disaster regarding the vaccination program in UK. In Europe the false concensus and cumbersome decision making process was exposed.

13 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

No country in the EU was bound to join the collective effort to combat coronavirus. The UK could have ordered the vaccines regardless of whether it was a member or not. So Brexit has zero to do with the vaccination program. 

So why did the eu try and invoke article 16? And why are the eus vaccinations half of the uks?

1 hour ago, Nout said:

Wasn't a disaster regarding the vaccination program in UK. In Europe the false concensus and cumbersome decision making process was exposed.

Actually the UK vaccination program has little to do with Brexit

- it was decided and implemented while UK was still under EU law

13 minutes ago, candide said:

Actually the UK vaccination program has little to do with Brexit and BoJo:

- it was decided and implemented while UK was still under EU law

- the first orders to AZ and Pfizer have been placed before BoJo became PM.

Incorrect Boris has been PM since July 2019 long before Covid reached Europe

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Incorrect Boris has been PM since July 2019 long before Covid reached Europe

Ooops! My mistake!

8 hours ago, stevenl said:

No, you were free to go your own way, as you did. Nothing to do with the EU, all EU countries were free to go their own way.

You can repeat this as many times as you like. But if you're honest with yourself you know that if the UK had never voted for Brexit and had still been a full EU member, we'd have been obliged to join the EU vaccine program whether it was in law or not. 

As it happened we were very much viewed as a 3rd country to the EU, so we had no obligations morally or legally. That's why the UK went alone and has so far had huge success with the vaccine roll out. 

5 hours ago, candide said:

Exactly, Covid! 

Obviously, you did not read the whole article. The higher unemployment rates caused by Covid should have made it easier to find local manpower, but the work is too hard for them!

 

Quotes:

"Hopes that Cornish workers could step into the shoes of those who are now unable to travel from the European Union have been dashed. "It's idealistic to think that because of Covid and the higher than usual unemployment rates that those people would come in and do that work."

'Frankly, the people that we've had to come and do this work, the locals, may last a day or two days, but they certainly don't last two or three months.'

 

Nope. Brits don't like being cheap slave labour.

2 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

You can repeat this as many times as you like. But if you're honest with yourself you know that if the UK had never voted for Brexit and had still been a full EU member, we'd have been obliged to join the EU vaccine program whether it was in law or not. 

As it happened we were very much viewed as a 3rd country to the EU, so we had no obligations morally or legally. That's why the UK went alone and has so far had huge success with the vaccine roll out. 

“But if you're honest with yourself you know that if the UK had never voted for Brexit and had still been a full EU member, we'd have been obliged to join the EU vaccine program whether it was in law or not. ”

 

OK you made the claim, now back it up with evidence of why your claim is true, or accept you don’t have such evidence and made the claim up.

The destruction of nation states by the EU.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/02/25/the-eu-will-choke-off-europes-recovery/

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“But if you're honest with yourself you know that if the UK had never voted for Brexit and had still been a full EU member, we'd have been obliged to join the EU vaccine program whether it was in law or not. ”

 

OK you made the claim, now back it up with evidence of why your claim is true, or accept you don’t have such evidence and made the claim up.

You please read the news about the vaccine roll out and stop trying to argue the inarguable.