AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccines made by Siam Bioscience pass quality testing in Europe and U.S.

[Dogmatix]

Great news.  Now lets see if they can deliver finished product on time and in quantity.

[kingofthemountain]

8 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Production is already underway.

 

The big unknown is how much will be ready how soon

You seem to be well informed, can i ask you what are your sources?

imo if the production was really already underway

they would be able to give already a monthly number of doses

they have 0 interest to keep this number as a secret

 

My bet is on at least 20 millions doses per month:

The first minister Prayut the 1 st has already anounced 150 millions 

of vaccinations before the end of the year

 

20 millionsX7 months= 140 millions

the difference should be made up with few sinovac

Edited May 10, 2021 by kingofthemountain

[DLock]

5 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said:

You seem to be well informed, can i ask you what are your sources?

imo if the production was really already underway

they would be able to give already a monthly number of doses

they have 0 interest to keep this number as a secret

 

My bet is on at least 20 millions doses per month:

The first minister Prayut the 1 st has already anounced 150 millions 

of vaccinations before the end of the year

 

20 millionsX7 months= 140 millions

the difference should be made up with few sinovac

 

Siam Bioscience claims to be able to manufacture 200million per year.

 

However SB is only the manufacturer for AZ - the vaccines are not "owned" by Thailand, and only 26million is scheduled for Thailand and 174 million scheduled for export.

 

SB is not the white knight everyone thinks it is.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/30401459

[Sheryl]

35 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said:

You seem to be well informed, can i ask you what are your sources?

 

 

This forum and the regular media

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1215342-significant-progress-reported-in-astrazeneca-vaccine-production-in-thailand/

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1214336-siam-bioscience-will-deliver-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-on-time/

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1210204-health-minister-expects-first-batch-of-thai-made-astrazeneca-vaccine-in-june/

 

 

.

And many more

 

The approval just granted is based on testing of batches of vaccine already produced.

 

The only number I have seen is ""between 6-10 million doses of the vaccine will be ready to be administered in June."  https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/siam-bioscience-says-july-due-date-of-locally-produced-astrazeneca-vaccine-still-feasible

 

 

[Nanaplaza666]

AstraZeneca has built an extensive analytical network globally.

 

In addition, AstraZeneca works closely with local health authorities such as the Thai FDA, and the Department of Medical Sciences (DMS) to ensure local standards are met.

So they built THEIR OWN analytical network to check THEIR OWN product ?? 

And they work closely with Thai FDA and DMS with their locally produced product ?? Seems a slight bit fishy to me . But ok i hope it's all treu and mass vaccination can start sooner rather then later . 

[MrJ2U]

So late to the party.  Its better than Sinovac but wait for Maoderna or Pfeizer.

[kingofthemountain]

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

 

This forum and the regular media

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1215342-significant-progress-reported-in-astrazeneca-vaccine-production-in-thailand/

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1214336-siam-bioscience-will-deliver-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-on-time/

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1210204-health-minister-expects-first-batch-of-thai-made-astrazeneca-vaccine-in-june/

 

 

.

And many more

 

The approval just granted is based on testing of batches of vaccine already produced.

 

The only number I have seen is ""between 6-10 million doses of the vaccine will be ready to be administered in June."  https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/siam-bioscience-says-july-due-date-of-locally-produced-astrazeneca-vaccine-still-feasible

 

 

Yes i have read these sources too

and found nowhere stated that ''the production is already underway''

so far only few good wishes with various months to start:

 

''AstraZeneca released a statement today announcing that their plans to produce its COVID-19 vaccine in Thailand have made “significant progress” and that the first batch of the vaccine will be delivered to the Thai Government this June.''

and

''Siam Bioscience Co is confident that it will be able to deliver the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines to the government in July as planned.''

 

So june or july?

i mean we are already mid-may

if they don't know yet what month they will be able to deliver

the doses, nor the numbers, there is something very wrong in the process

Edited May 10, 2021 by kingofthemountain

[Isaan sailor]

We should thank our lucky stars that we will have not one, but two vaccines (SinoVac and locally-produced Astra-Zeneca)—that you cannot even find in America.   Brilliant strategy.  Amazing Thailand.

[kingofthemountain]

2 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

We should thank our lucky stars that we will have not one, but two vaccines (SinoVac and locally-produced Astra-Zeneca)—that you cannot even find in America.   Brilliant strategy.  Amazing Thailand.

Also something Thailand should maybe worried about

they have put ALL of their hope on 1 factory on 1 site and 1 vaccine (AZ with SiamBioscience near Bangkok)

So what happens if unfortunately a fire or some sort of natural event destroy the building?

They will take another year or two to build a new one?

 

You know the old saying about eggs and basket..

[natway09]

Good news, now get on with it Thailand,,,, MAKE IT

For you that said this brand banned in the UK I say rubbish, I have 3 mates just got their 1st shot late last week

[greenmonkey]

6 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

So late to the party.  Its better than Sinovac but wait for Maoderna or Pfeizer.

Do you think they will allow any other vaccine in to Thailand now that they stand to profit from their on locally produced vaccine? This was the plan all along... you know who owns the company right?

[Isaan sailor]

1 minute ago, greenmonkey said:

Do you think they will allow any other vaccine in to Thailand now that they stand to profit from their on locally produced vaccine? This was the plan all along... you know who owns the company right?

Profits before health, of course.  You know how lucky Thailand is—SinoVac and locally-produced Astra-Zeneca.  You just can’t buy those in America, you know...

[Ragnarok]

I will be happy to get Astra Zeneca. Pfizer won the brand war, and everyone thinks it's the best, but that doesn't mean it is. My mother, age 90, got Pfizer in the US. She got an itchy rash all over her back. Pfizer doesn't seem good for the Indian variant either. Renowned infectious disease expert Dr Rajendra Kapila, 81, died of Covid-19 after having two doses of Pfizer. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/renowned-infectious-diseases-expert-dr-rajendra-kapila-81-dies-of-covid19-101620168008338.html

[Isaan sailor]

10 minutes ago, Ragnarok said:

I will be happy to get Astra Zeneca. Pfizer won the brand war, and everyone thinks it's the best, but that doesn't mean it is. My mother, age 90, got Pfizer in the US. She got an itchy rash all over her back. Pfizer doesn't seem good for the Indian variant either. Renowned infectious disease expert Dr Rajendra Kapila, 81, died of Covid-19 after having two doses of Pfizer. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/renowned-infectious-diseases-expert-dr-rajendra-kapila-81-dies-of-covid19-101620168008338.html

The headline seems to claim the doctor, age 81, died of COVID contracted in India, not from a reaction to the Pfizer shot.

[mtls2005]

21 hours ago, DLock said:

Siam Bioscience claims to be able to manufacture 200million per year.

 

However SB is only the manufacturer for AZ - the vaccines are not "owned" by Thailand, and only 26million is scheduled for Thailand and 174 million scheduled for export.

 

 

That's according to Thanatorn.

 

Today's news says 66.61 million AZ doses, this year. I assume 66 (or 61?)  million are coming from SB but who really knows.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/vaccine-explainer-thailands-vaccines-and-timeline/

Edited May 11, 2021 by mtls2005

[DLock]

11 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

 

That's according to Thanatorn.

 

Today's news says 66.61 million AZ doses, this year. I assume 66 (or 61?)  million are coming from SB but who really knows.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/vaccine-explainer-thailands-vaccines-and-timeline/

 

Yeah, it's a bit murky on what SB will deliver to Thailand.

 

I guess it comes down to who ordered and when from AZ and how much SB can deliver to fulfill the orders.

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22 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

https://www.ad.nl/binnenland/hogere-kans-op-bijwerkingen-astrazeneca-zorginstelling-plant-uit-voorzorg-vrije-dagen-in~ad15688e/ 

I am sorry to tell you that in the Dutch news there is item about the side effects of the Astra Zenica. Unfortunately it is in Dutch and not in English but I giving you the link. Maybe with Google translate you can read it. It says the Astra Zenica has more side effects than other vaccines

And is the Dutch news somehow different than what's in English language news? You think there's a shortage of English language articles about the side effects of the AZ vaccine? What does the article being in Dutch have to do with public policy?

[Rookiescot]

20 hours ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

AstraZeneca has built an extensive analytical network globally.

 

In addition, AstraZeneca works closely with local health authorities such as the Thai FDA, and the Department of Medical Sciences (DMS) to ensure local standards are met.

So they built THEIR OWN analytical network to check THEIR OWN product ?? 

And they work closely with Thai FDA and DMS with their locally produced product ?? Seems a slight bit fishy to me . But ok i hope it's all treu and mass vaccination can start sooner rather then later . 

 

Yes in the same way EVERY pharma company does with EVERY medical product they make.

[GroveHillWanderer]

20 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

Yes i have read these sources too

and found nowhere stated that ''the production is already underway''

so far only few good wishes with various months to start:

The article at the top of the thread says that:

 

"samples from test batches of the COVID-19 vaccine made by Siam Bioscience have passed quality testing at AstraZeneca’s designated laboratories in Europe and in the U.S."

 

It may not be running at full capacity yet (and it wouldn't have made sense to until they knew the samples had passed muster) but production has obviously started - even if only with test batches - since they have produced samples for testing.

[Excel]

On 5/10/2021 at 4:27 AM, sammieuk1 said:

Say that one more time for the generals and above .. And at no profit during the pandemic.” said Mr. Teague.????

"no profit" , go wash your mouth or the Generals will send you for attitude adjustment. 

[PGSan]

On 5/10/2021 at 8:01 AM, cclub75 said:

does not recommend anymore AstraZeneca

But It is still highly recommended  everywhere, whenever others are unavailable.  So get it when you can!

[internationalism]

only less than 3mln AZ expected in June, they have production problems.

But that should not be worry, because thailand doesn't have logistics to distribute that much per month.

 

"However, a senior source within the Ministry of Public Health told Thai Enquirer on Tuesday that there has been a problem scaling up production within Siam Bioscience and initial reports suggest that the company will not be able to produce half the expected number of vaccines by June. ...

“Even if we get 20 million vaccines from them in June, it doesn’t matter because we do not have the capacity to vaccinate at a high number,” the source said.

“That is the reason we are asking private hospitals for help because we don’t have logistical capabilities to administer millions of vaccines per month.”

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/27340/major-hurdles-remain-for-thailands-vaccine-drive/

[kingofthemountain]

46 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

The article at the top of the thread says that:

 

"samples from test batches of the COVID-19 vaccine made by Siam Bioscience have passed quality testing at AstraZeneca’s designated laboratories in Europe and in the U.S."

 

It may not be running at full capacity yet (and it wouldn't have made sense to until they knew the samples had passed muster) but production has obviously started - even if only with test batches - since they have produced samples for testing.

You are playing on the words

 

of course they have already given few batches of vaccine for the approval, so you are right the factory has produced something

 

however stating ''the production is underway'' is another thing

that means the mass production is on his way, and as far as i know it's not the case yet, so i am right too, and still waiting a link to prove that i am wrong on it.

 

if they were doing mass production, don't you think BS will be able to give a date and a  number for the monthly delivery?

 

Everybody in Thailand is waiting for this date and these numbers

and this governement is never late to gives good news, so be assured

that if they were producing in mass the vaccine at the moment, all the

ministers, including the first of them, will be actually queuing on all the 

medias to anounce the good news

Edited May 11, 2021 by kingofthemountain

[Dogmatix]

I find it interesting that NNT felt the need to correct the English of the quotes from AZ country president James Teague in the press release. If you look at the original you can see some differences.  Even after corrections it remains rather poorly drafted.  You would think that a country president would take greater care over such an important announcement.  Let's hope that greater care has been taken in checking the accuracy of the statements therein.  James Teague seems to have a low profile on Google.  Wonder if he really exists.   

[Dogmatix]

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/vietnamese-woman-becomes-first-to-die-in-vietnam-after-receiving-astrazenecas-vaccine-shot

 

RIP to Astra Zeneca's first victim in Vietnam.

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5 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/vietnamese-woman-becomes-first-to-die-in-vietnam-after-receiving-astrazenecas-vaccine-shot

 

RIP to Astra Zeneca's first victim in Vietnam.

1 out of 750,000. Shocking!

[kingofthemountain]

13 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

James Teague seems to have a low profile on Google.  Wonder if he really exists.   

He exists

 

it seems he has a financial background 

so far he had no any experience in the medical field:

 

https://skywaycapitalmarkets.com/team/james-teague/

 

He is also a member of the Thai Swedish chamber of commerce:

 

https://app.glueup.com/event/webinar-investment-opportunities-in-the-medical-sector-in-thailand-27411/speakers.html

 

His experience with Bioscience seems to be his first experience in this field, a very risky bet imo, if i had to chose and if i have the money to pay for it, i think i would recruit someone with a solid experience 

 

Edited May 11, 2021 by kingofthemountain

[sathornlover]

59 minutes ago, internationalism said:

only less than 3mln AZ expected in June, they have production problems.

But that should not be worry, because thailand doesn't have logistics to distribute that much per month.

 

"However, a senior source within the Ministry of Public Health told Thai Enquirer on Tuesday that there has been a problem scaling up production within Siam Bioscience and initial reports suggest that the company will not be able to produce half the expected number of vaccines by June. ...

“Even if we get 20 million vaccines from them in June, it doesn’t matter because we do not have the capacity to vaccinate at a high number,” the source said.

“That is the reason we are asking private hospitals for help because we don’t have logistical capabilities to administer millions of vaccines per month.”

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/27340/major-hurdles-remain-for-thailands-vaccine-drive/

Fits exactly with the targets set by the government and expected vaccine quantities????

Edited May 11, 2021 by sathornlover

[Dogmatix]

I wonder how many will register for the 16 million doses supposed to be delivered to Thailand in June and July for the over 60s and 7 high risk conditions.  A few days ago only 1.3 million had registered on Mor Prom.  It will be embarassing, if they have a shortfall in demand after refusing to vaccinate foreigners at the same time. 

 

I have heard a number of Thais say they don't want the vaccines as they don't trust them or their government.

[Ragnarok]

3 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

The headline seems to claim the doctor, age 81, died of COVID contracted in India, not from a reaction to the Pfizer shot.

To me, Pfizer isn’t better than Astra Zeneca. I don’t know why people think Pfizer is so great. I was trying to point out he got Pfizer both doses, got covid, and died, which isn’t supposed to happen.