The family of a 60-year old man, Pruettichai Makphol, from Thailand’s southern province of Krabi, who died three days after he received the AstraZeneca (AZ) vaccine on June 8th, is waiting for a clear explanation from doctors about the exact cause and whether it was linked to the vaccination.

 

Mrs. Rattana Klabching, the widow of Pruettichai, told reporters today (Saturday) that her husband was a healthy man and did not have any underlying diseases, adding that the family has doubt that he died of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (the thickening of the wall of the heart, blocking blood flow of blood out of the heart) as claimed by doctors at Wachira Phuket Hospital.

 

The family think Pruektichai’s death might be linked to the AZ vaccine.

 

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The authorities should be very, very, very transparent, open, honest when investigating and reporting on these deaths.

 

Dismissing them out of hand will only cause even more hesitancy in getting vaccinated.

 

 

For course that is what she thinks - she wants the 400k

there have been some heart related issues with links to vaccines but no official confirmation as yet 

9 minutes ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

 

The family think Pruektichai’s death might be linked to the AZ vaccine.

I don't know why they report these things ? It only serves to fuel peoples fears. If a large percentage of the populations vaccinated, it is inevitable that some of them will die in the following days. People have been ding since Adam and Eve. LOL

If there is any credible evidence, by all means please report it. but "Widow thinks husband’s death may be linked to AZ vaccine ." is ridiculous and irresponsible reporting 

Hate to be cynical but......

All previous reports concerning deaths with possible linking to vaccines have not mentioned type of vaccine.

 

It's only recently that the vaccine has been named, i.e. AstraZeneca.  Sinovac hasn't been mentioned.

 

Think about it.

 

 

"Thinks" being the operative word here.

 

It's about time hard facts were reported regarding this, not hearsay.

22 minutes ago, sirineou said:

"Widow thinks husband’s death may be linked to AZ vaccine ."

 

 

Well, if my spouse was younger, healthy, fit, had annual check ups and had no history of any illnesses, then had the vaccination, and then died, other than by easily identified causes (motorcycle accident, for example) within a few days, I think most of us would suspect at least a potential linkage. Not really irresponsible on the part of the wife.

 

It's up to the authorities to investigate, and make a proper determination to the cause of death. 

 

I think there needs to be more screening on who should get the vaccine.

 

 

1 minute ago, mtls2005 said:

 

 

Well, if my spouse was younger, healthy, fit, had annual check ups and had no history of any illnesses, then had the vaccination, and then died, other than by easily identified causes (motorcycle accident, for example) within a few days, I think most of us would suspect at least a potential linkage. Not really irresponsible on the part of the wife.

 

It's up to the authorities to investigate, and make a proper determination to the cause of death. 

 

I think there needs to be more screening on who should get the vaccine.

 

 

Quote: "It's up to the authorities to investigate, and make a proper determination to the cause of death. "   And it's up to the media to ensure that any reports/any further reports they publish give very clear/focused comments, gained by asking questions at the media conference/media release!!!!

 

29 minutes ago, sirineou said:

is ridiculous and irresponsible reporting 

Is there any other kind these days?  Agree completely that such stories greatly complicate the vaccine process assuming there is actually vaccine available.  Wife is Thai over 80 w/conditions and was due shot on 15th but now told, yesterday, postponed until further notice due no vaccine.  

10 minutes ago, scorecard said:

And it's up to the media to ensure that any reports/any further reports they publish give very clear/focused comments, gained by asking questions at the media conference/media release!!!!

 

Agreed, but we are in Thailand, where the media is, for the most part, under the thumb of the regime.

 

BANGKOK — Thailand slipped in its press freedom index to 140 out of the 180 countries surveyed by Reporters Without Border – one rank behind Myanmar, a country many Thais associated with authoritarianism.

 

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/politics/2020/04/21/thailand-falls-behind-myanmar-in-2020-press-freedom-index/

 

 

You should register your complaints with Thai PBS World, or the regime, or ThaiVisa?

 

 

 

 

This vaccine has been controversial from the beginning including the trial reporting.

 Sinovac actually may be a better option.

15 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

 

Well, if my spouse was younger, healthy, fit, had annual check ups and had no history of any illnesses, then had the vaccination, and then died, other than by easily identified causes (motorcycle accident, for example) within a few days, I think most of us would suspect at least a potential linkage. Not really irresponsible on the part of the wife.

 

It's up to the authorities to investigate, and make a proper determination to the cause of death. 

 

I think there needs to be more screening on who should get the vaccine.

 

 

It's in there, doctors said  "he died of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy".  Family just doesn't want to believe it.

4 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

It's in there, doctors said  "he died of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy".  Family just doesn't want to believe it.

 

I think you're saying that this chap would have died when he did even if he did not get the vaccine? Is that your diagnosis?

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

claimed by doctors at Wachira Phuket Hospital

 

 

"Claimed"

 

 

Need a bit more than a patrician dismissal.

 

If everything is straightforward then get out in front of it with open, honest, transparent communications and facts.

 

For example, having the CCSA spokesman dismiss 12 of 27 deaths as "coinicindental" is lazy, IMO.

 

 

And maybe people should be screened for HCM before getting the vaccine?

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, mtls2005 said:

 

 

Well, if my spouse was younger, healthy, fit, had annual check ups and had no history of any illnesses, then had the vaccination, and then died, other than by easily identified causes (motorcycle accident, for example) within a few days, I think most of us would suspect at least a potential linkage. Not really irresponsible on the part of the wife.

 

It's up to the authorities to investigate, and make a proper determination to the cause of death. 

 

I think there needs to be more screening on who should get the vaccine.

 

 

"I think there needs to be more screening on who should get the vaccine".   I agree entirely and in order to ensure locals build up confidence in these vaccines perhaps with immediate effect all foreigners should be given vaccines to a) protect locals from the potential of side effects, or them thinking they had side effects and b) provide confidence to the local population that they should all be vaccinated. Let us lead the way ????

1 hour ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

The family think Pruektichai’s death might be linked to the AZ vaccine.

 

Sorry for your loss lady, but you got Buckley's that they will admit it, although they might give you some money for your loss.

 

It will never be the vaccine, it will be he had a rare underlying condition which you couldn't see, like Covid, you can't see it, but it's out there so best get vaccinated so that it doesn't kill you, it's infection rate is double that of the Flu.

 

20 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

It's in there, doctors said  "he died of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy".  Family just doesn't want to believe it.

 

Although the vaccine can't cause HCM, it can cause increased blood viscosity which could kill someone who has HCM.

 

If he died directly from HCM he would have had progressively worsening shortness of breath for months/years.

 

The family is stating that he was healthy before. That makes a credible case for the vaccine being a contributing factor in his death.

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

I don't know why they report these things ? It only serves to fuel peoples fears. If a large percentage of the populations vaccinated, it is inevitable that some of them will die in the following days. People have been ding since Adam and Eve. LOL

If there is any credible evidence, by all means please report it. but "Widow thinks husband’s death may be linked to AZ vaccine ." is ridiculous and irresponsible reporting 

Perhaps you'd think differently if it were your husband that died?

Why is the Thai government covering things up just because AZ is produced in Thailand?

 

AZ has been reported to cause blood clots and deaths in many countries (just Google).

 

Of course, not everybody taking AZ will have severe blood clots in the brain and heart but a few do.

 

The reason why it cause blood clot is researched by the report below.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/f76eb802-ec05-4461-9956-b250115d0577

 

The rare blood-clotting reaction causing 56 deaths. In Europe, at least 142 people have experienced the blood clots out of 16m recipients of the vaccine.

This will be the routine:

Person gets AZ shot.
Person shortly thereafter dies.
Doctors say, "No correlation, the vaccine is 100% safe"
Family only sees the logical progression A --> Then --> B
Family reads about AZ problems globally
Doctors double down and say vaccine is 100% safe
Friends, family, and aquaintences of the decease don't want shots

10 minutes ago, wprime said:

 

Although the vaccine can't cause HCM, it can cause increased blood viscosity which could kill someone who has HCM.

 

If he died directly from HCM he would have had progressively worsening shortness of breath for months/years.

 

The family is stating that he was healthy before. That makes a credible case for the vaccine being a contributing factor in his death.

What about if he was taking ED drugs ? Remember what viagra was originally designed to combat and it was not ED

41 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Agreed, but we are in Thailand, where the media is, for the most part, under the thumb of the regime.

All media is under the thumb of their governments.

11 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Perhaps you'd think differently if it were your husband that died?

I would think exactly the same .

I am not criticizing the wife for thinking what she is thinking, I am criticizing the reporters for reporting it.  

 

4 minutes ago, Excel said:

What about if he was taking ED drugs ? 

 

Whataboutism taken to its illogical end.

 

 

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

I don't know why they report these things ? It only serves to fuel peoples fears.

The vaccines are all given to the public via "emergency use authorization" as none have been tested long enough to have full FDA approval in any country.
Therefore the shots can only be administered after the recipient has received full "informed consent" which requires disclosure of adverse reaction.
The issues of legal liability will eventually be fought in courts of law as the governments of the world have indemnified the manufacturers.
Failure of provide informed consent will be a key issue in the upcoming international lawsuits. 
The entire issue of vaccines is so heated and politicized that the only place it will be resolved in within courts of law.

1 minute ago, sirineou said:

I am criticizing the reporters for reporting it.  

 

And editors, publishers and ThaiVisa.

6 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Whataboutism taken to its illogical end.

 

 

Really ??

Well a quote here

"Mixing the vaccine with other products

Section 6.2 of the manufacturer’s information for healthcare professionals states that in the absence of compatibility studies the vaccine must not be mixed with other medicinal products."

 

Source document is

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca

59 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

It's in there, doctors said  "he died of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy".  Family just doesn't want to believe it.

 

Really? If he had an existing illness, why did the doctors allow him to be vaccinated in the first place? Shouldn't the doctors be given a slap on the face?

 

Remember that when Sinovac was introduced to Thailand, it was not recommended for above 60 years old which was prescreening.

 

Why wasn't the same done to this guy?

 

When there is severe blood clot in the system, the heart works harder to pump blood, causing rupture or heart muscle thickening to compensate for loss of blood to the heart.

 

Blood clot is confirmed to be one of the side-effects of AZ, see my link below.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/f76eb802-ec05-4461-9956-b250115d0577

 

In case you can't access that article, it says the virus vector goes into the nucleus of our cells. This technology is different from Sinovac and Pfizer.

 

 

 

Italy stopping AZ for under 60's  https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca-vaccine-under-60s-after-teenager-dies-2021-06-11/