hotchilli Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 14 hours ago, snoop1130 said: The National Vaccine Institute said that 186 volunteers have joined the clinical trials, to test their immune response to the SARS-CoV-2 virus. All of them had received their second dose of Sinovac vaccine at least two before the trial Hello Delta variant... ohhh lets start again. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickthompson Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, asiacurious said: There is a BIG difference between saying 95% of people developing an immune response and saying what the headline says, "Two doses of Sinovac can stop spread of COVID-19". The latter simply isn't supported by ANY evidence, including the "evidence" in this so-called study. The article starts with this (hopefully true) great news... And then falls off the rails as the sentence continues... No, no, no, no, no. An immune response on a petri dish does NOT mean a vaccinated person can't still catch the virus and transmit it to others! The sentence concludes by attributing the claim... Well, we don't have a link to any data. Well, there are no links to the study's findings and no links to any data. We don't know how or what they actually tested. We don't know anything about the study except for what the author of this piece wrote. And the article doesn't even have an author named, so there's no way to find out if the author even has a basic understanding of the science. Basically the article is worthless, though the study may not be. We just don't know what the study actually says. If anyone finds a link to it, I hope you'll post it here. Not to mention that recent studies in the Seychelles, Mongolia, Bahrain and Chile all show some indication that Sinovac is not very effective at stopping transmission and some people getting two jabs are still getting Covid-19, albeit mild cases. In response to this, the Chinese themselves state that Sinovac is designed to stop serious disease and hospitalization, not to necessarily stop transmission of the virus. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/how-countries-are-struggling-with-chinese-vaccines/articleshow/83769994.cms Edited June 25, 2021 by rickthompson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 14 hours ago, snoop1130 said: About 95% of those who have received two doses of the Sinovac vaccine have developed an immune response which prevents the spread of SARS-CoV-2, or COVID-19 more than 70% of the 171 volunteers had developed an immune response strong enough to prevent the spread of the virus in laboratory tests. So both 95% and 70% have developed a response that stops the spread of covid-19? Can anyone explain this? As it is this doesn't seem particularly reliable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbioff Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 14 hours ago, The Cipher said: Good to hear this, and to see that it was a joint US-Thai effort that produced these results. Hopefully this will help reassure some of those of those on the fence to get vaccinated! ????⚕️ baloney! they can stick this vaccine where they can stick the others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RafPinto Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 minute ago, BangkokReady said: So both 95% and 70% have developed a response that stops the spread of covid-19? Can anyone explain this? As it is this doesn't seem particularly reliable. And the 171 volunteers walked straight to the next car dealer to order a new motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallen52 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 One year later. So why haven't they done it? Some getting sinovac 1st and Astrazeneca 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 11 hours ago, Bkk Brian said: This was not a real world study to test effectiveness against actual transmission but only to test immune reaction and response. Yeah, it sounds like it doesn't measure spread prevention at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallen52 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 13 hours ago, HaoleBoy said: A recent study done in Hong Kong doesn't really advocate Sinovac ... Especially when the Delta variant Covid-19 virus is present. https://www.thaienquirer.com/28831/delta-variants-danger-and-new-studies-raises-questions-about-thai-vaccine-program/ But the application of the Sinovac vaccine is problematic. Emerging data shows that the current vaccines, especially the ones with lower efficacy rates like the Sinovac, are not effective in stopping the transmission of the Delta variant. Even a leading Thai Dr. proposed farangs entering the Phuket sandbox with Sinovac vaccination should not be let into the sandbox. (Yet, a large number of people in Phuket were vaccinated with Sinovac by Thai Gov.) Placebo effect. Until it goes wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 14 hours ago, The Cipher said: Hopefully this will help reassure some of those of those on the fence to get vaccinated! ????⚕️ Doubtful. It sounds like the results are being misrepresented in the article. Hopefully most people are smart enough to see through it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesimps Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Fair enough. Where is it!!!??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarFlungFalang Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 43 minutes ago, irishman25 said: it good for everyone to be able to find and get vaccinated no matter WHAT country supply's it. we need to recover from this virus so as to have our lives back to enjoy Doesn't look like you'll be getting your life back because it no longer belongs to you it belongs to the state, wake up and realise it, and you didn't even get a chance to kiss it good bye!This was all predicted in the movie V For Vendetta! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trujillo Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Given the level of governmental shenanigans and the highly suspect acumen of the academic world here, how much do you trust this "new" information? Is this "study" peer reviewed and published in a recognized journal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pagallim Posted June 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, RafPinto said: Why not a booster every 4 weeks at your local 7/11 at a price of 999Baht with a free coffee. I can see an opportunity for a "Vac Panda", just get all the Grab folk trained up to vaccinate, sort out an App, and there you go. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arick Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Sinovac, is not accepted as an approved vaccine in many Countries I. R Canada, EU. So you would still be subject to testing and Quarantine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrJ2U Posted June 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2021 This is a Chinese vaccine. Thailand is just now testing it to see if it works. There putting out all these lies to quell the publics and medical professionals growing distrust of this lousy ineffective vaccine. The countries who are using it including front line medical personnel are getting COVID-19 and many are on respirators. For gods sake stop the lies and stop using the Sinovac 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boedog Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 So the other 30% are in trouble, thats an exceptable fail rate 300,000 in 1 million, more human trails needed hurry up and line up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millcx Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 15 hours ago, Petey11 said: Good news yet they keep talking 70% first vaccination for opening up??? Think you will find it’s 50% 1st jab of Sino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgenon Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 15 hours ago, ThaiFelix said: Oh no this cant be correct.....its made by the baddies!!?? Maybe you'll be able to speak Chinese! ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, hotchilli said: Hello Delta variant... ohhh lets start again. The variant has wrecked UK and soon in US. It may caused another resurgence of Covid-19 in US. Hospitalisation is up in some states due to this variant. Bottom line, get you jab with whatever is available now. Delta variant is more transmissible and deadly. Do yourself a favour and those around you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuwadeeS Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 You can trust the Chinese vaccine or you don't. I don't trust it. Seconds, since we do know, that Thailand powerfull mostly have chinese roots, we should understand, why the Chinese vac is so heavily surpported. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cipher Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, robbioff said: baloney! they can stick this vaccine where they can stick the others. In the arms of the unvaccinated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 23 minutes ago, MrJ2U said: medical professionals growing distrust of this lousy ineffective vaccine. Hyperbole.... It is not 'ineffective'. It appears to be of quite poor efficacy against some variants, especially after a single jab, but numbers are better after a second jab and a few weeks incubation. Some other brands have produced better numbers... but are not available here yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, SuwadeeS said: You can trust the Chinese vaccine or you don't. I don't trust it. Seconds, since we do know, that Thailand powerfull mostly have chinese roots, we should understand, why the Chinese vac is so heavily surpported. You don't decide on a serious medical decision on ethnicity or race or even emotion. Should be based on scientific merits and availability. It is your life and those around that your decision will affect. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, jacko45k said: Hyperbole.... It is not 'ineffective'. It appears to be of quite poor efficacy against some variants, especially after a single jab, but numbers are better after a second jab and a few weeks incubation. Some other brands have produced better numbers... but are not available here yet. Oh please! "JAKARTA (Reuters) -- More than 350 Indonesian doctors have contracted COVID-19 despite being vaccinated with Sinovac, and dozens have been hospitalized, officials said, as concerns rise about the efficacy of some vaccines against more virulent virus strains." Sinovac isn't much help with the Delta variant. This variant will be the dominant one here in a few months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketDog Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 15 hours ago, asiacurious said: There is a BIG difference between saying 95% of people developing an immune response and saying what the headline says, "Two doses of Sinovac can stop spread of COVID-19". The latter simply isn't supported by ANY evidence, including the "evidence" in this so-called study. The article starts with this (hopefully true) great news... And then falls off the rails as the sentence continues... No, no, no, no, no. An immune response on a petri dish does NOT mean a vaccinated person can't still catch the virus and transmit it to others! The sentence concludes by attributing the claim... Well, we don't have a link to any data. Well, there are no links to the study's findings and no links to any data. We don't know how or what they actually tested. We don't know anything about the study except for what the author of this piece wrote. And the article doesn't even have an author named, so there's no way to find out if the author even has a basic understanding of the science. Basically the article is worthless, though the study may not be. We just don't know what the study actually says. If anyone finds a link to it, I hope you'll post it here. Silly boy. Still barking up that 'data tree'? Don't bother. There is no squirrel there. They've all long since been sold in the Wuhan Wet Market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, MrJ2U said: Oh please! "JAKARTA (Reuters) -- More than 350 Indonesian doctors have contracted COVID-19 despite being vaccinated with Sinovac, and dozens have been hospitalized, officials said, as concerns rise about the efficacy of some vaccines against more virulent virus strains." Sinovac isn't much help with the Delta variant. This variant will be the dominant one here in a few months. That old link..... there are plenty of links which present an alternative view... I simply rejected your drama-queen use of 'ineffective'. Vaccines stay effective in reducing symptoms in Delta-hit Indonesia: Sinovac. Here is more on what you posted.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pravda Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 3 hours ago, dsj said: I just received an email from the Canadian Embassy about easing border measures, and they mentioned that Canada doesn't recognize Sinovac and won't except that people to forgo 14 day quarantine upon arrivial. These are the requirements, at least for Canadians. The accepted vaccines are: Pfizer (Comirnaty, tozinameran, BNT162b2) Moderna (mRNA-1273) AstraZeneca (Vaxzevria, AZD1222, Covishield) Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) - single dose That's funny! Considering that Trudeau and his wife received Astra Zeneca vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, MrJ2U said: 26 minutes ago, jacko45k said: Hyperbole.... It is not 'ineffective'. It appears to be of quite poor efficacy against some variants, especially after a single jab, but numbers are better after a second jab and a few weeks incubation. Some other brands have produced better numbers... but are not available here yet. Oh please! "JAKARTA (Reuters) -- More than 350 Indonesian doctors have contracted COVID-19 despite being vaccinated with Sinovac, and dozens have been hospitalized, officials said, as concerns rise about the efficacy of some vaccines against more virulent virus strains." Sinovac isn't much help with the Delta variant. This variant will be the dominant one here in a few months. I keep seeing people clinging on to this 350 number.... 350 doctors in Indonesia contracted Covid-19. The number means nothing without the number of Doctors who were vaccinated !!... An outbreak in Kudus (Indonesia) has 5000 health care workers who have been vaccinated of which 350 tested positive. There seems to be a Sinovac witch hunt and headlines are loading the bias.... while Sinovac is not the best vaccine - its still proving to be effective. If it is the only vaccine available it has already saved lives. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/hundreds-indonesian-doctors-contract-covid-19-despite-vaccination-dozens-2021-06-17/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Harm Hendrik Reitsma Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 nobody seems to remember, mentioned is "the vaccin is agreed to for experimental use in case of emergency" by the health authority. The long-term efficacy is unknown and even vaccinated you can get the virus.. So it still can not save you, but not mentioned is that for instance Ivermectin and HCQ in combination with Vitamin D can save your life, in most cases you will not get really sick when use this. This is used in India and Argentina and proofs to be a real lifesaver! I just wanted to mention these results, so you can find out. Be save out there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairynuff Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 It’s still a no to sinovac as far as I’m concerned 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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