Top businessmen on 120 day reopening plan: Vax 70% with quality vaccine and stop flip-flopping

[webfact]

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Top businessmen in Thailand have told the government to stop their flip-flopping. 

 

They have said that Prayuth Chan-o-cha's government needs to get 70% of the population vaccinated with quality vaccines.

 

And they should have clearly articulated policies and communication. 

 

Thaivisa notes that one of the starkest criticisms of the government has been the chopping and changing on policy and reaction. People on our forums have said that one minute the government says one thing, the next it changes because someone else chips in with a new viewpoint.

 

This has left many potential tourists none the wiser about what is going on within Thailand with many reticent to confirm travel plans. 

 

Some have seen this kindly as the direct result of changes in a fast moving and volatile situation that the pandemic represents. Critics have seen it as ineptitude. 

 

Now Thailand's CEO's have spoken out in an FTI survey conducted that asked their opinions on the PM's plan to reopen Thailand to foreign tourists within 120 days. 

 

More than 80% broadly agreed with the reopening plan with caveats about following changes to the situation as required. 

 

Just 9.5% of the 201 CEO's surveyed said not to reopen to foreign tourists. 

 

2.5% told Prayuth to get the job done faster. 

 

Commenting on the main issues connected to the reopening 93% cited the need for quality vaccine so that 70% of the population could be jabbed. 

 

74.6% called for clear policies and communication with the public.

 

Asked "How" the country should reopen 59.2% said that when provinces are ready to open they should be allowed to do so.

 

34.8% said it should only be in tourism provinces.

 

6% thought the whole country should be opened up in one go. 

 

Thai media Manager interpreted the results of the survey that asked CEO's from dozens of different industries nationwide. 

 

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[J Town]

Just now, webfact said:

government needs to get 70% of the population vaccinated with quality vaccines.

It's really just that simple!

[mtls2005]

5 minutes ago, J Town said:

It's really just that simple!

 

Exactly. Just one single goal, attack it with 100% of the government's resources.

 

But it will be difficult, so can't see this regime stepping up.

 

They're more like the "lay about and wait for food to fall off the tree" types.

 

 

[RotBenz8888]

7 minutes ago, webfact said:

with quality vaccines.

If he's referring to Moderna and Pfizer, they'd better have a 120 year  reopening plan. 

[J Town]

2 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Exactly. Just one single goal, attack it with 100% of the government's resources.

 

But it will be difficult, so can't see this regime stepping up.

 

They're more like the "lay about and wait for food to fall off the tree" types.

No one will ever convince me there aren't stacks of brown envelopes pending the use of the Chinese vaccine which has been shown as ineffective.

[DaLa]

Only 2.5 % told Prayuth to get the job done quicker?   Who paid the others off?

Edited July 1, 2021 by DaLa
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[harada]

This guy will be sidelined, he sounds too intelligent.

 

[bkk6060]

The 70% of population will be about one year from now.

Hopefully, when completed new variants will not make all those jabs obsolete or boosters required.

[Thomas J]

58 minutes ago, webfact said:

Top businessmen in Thailand have told the government to stop their flip-flopping. 

There is nothing that business people and tourists have a greater hatred for than flip-flopping.  You don't dare make plans if you feel the rules can and will change continually.  

There are two steps the government can and should do to improve the situation.  First they should procure as much quality vaccine as possible and have it distributed throughout the country.  This includes vaccines to private hospitals and establishing a price for that vaccine with "no hidden charges"  The private hospitals seem to have taken the crisis as a mechanism for tacking on additional fees for providing the vaccine hidden as " doctor consultation" 

The second step and a very easy one is to stop the ludicrous quarantine immediately of tourists entering the country that have been tested and are fully vaccinated.  These people are of practically zero risk to anyone.  They are far more at risk of contracting Covid from unvaccinated Thais than they are of being even capable of spreading Covid.  However that policy of mandating that someone must be in quarantine for 15 days upon entering the country all but effectively stops tourism for absolutely no good reason. 

 

[vandeventer]

4 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

If he's referring to Moderna and Pfizer, they'd better have a 120 year  reopening plan. 

Wrong, I already told Santa I want one for Christmas.

[kynikoi]

Only when the business people have had enough and are willing to engage in serious mischief will things change.

[Burma Bill]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Top businessmen in Thailand have told the government to stop their flip-flopping. 

 

With the exception of Anutin from Sino-Thai????

[Justgrazing]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

 

Top businessmen in Thailand have told the government to stop their flip-flopping.

 

Quite right too .. a sandalous situation about the unfolding Vax debacle with more flip flopping than a fish trying to cross the road ..

 

5 hours ago, webfact said:

2.5% told Prayuth to get the job done faster.

 

As we know he don't take kindly to being told what to do and has not been unknown to chuck banana skins at those who displease him so that 2.5% best tread warily .. 

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Top businessmen in Thailand have told the government to stop their flip-flopping. 

 

They have said that Prayuth Chan-o-cha's government needs to get 70% of the population vaccinated with quality vaccines.

 

And they should have clearly articulated policies and communication.

Frustration is beginning to set-in.

The government has showed it's ineptitude at handling any situation.

[kynikoi]

Can you imagine being a business and forced to fork out full wages to staff by law during all this?

 

I imagine if the government was forced to pay that in and of itself would be a huge impetus to sort things out. But it's literally not their problem.

 

How can I business survive being unproductive for months on end PLUS paying wages for little or no production. Then...their market potentially has been destroyed or at least damaged.

 

Meanwhile, just another day of dithering and waffling.

[newnative]

Yet another group stating the oh-so obvious.

[The Hammer2021]

8 hours ago, J Town said:

No one will ever convince me there aren't stacks of brown envelopes pending the use of the Chinese vaccine which has been shown as ineffective.

No it hasnt

[Blumpie]

8 hours ago, J Town said:

It's really just that simple!

It really is.  Vaccines or lockdowns.  

Now we can discuss the 70 percent vaccinated.  I"m sorry to say but it may be far higher than 70 percent because Sinovac is absolutely , um, not that great (?!).  

Edited July 1, 2021 by Blumpie

[Elkski]

How can a business man be respected if he says you need to get 70% vaccinated with a quality jab and not denounce the 120 days as 100% impossible?  

I'm not up to speed on the latest effectiveness of the vaccines in use in Thailand or the World with the beta and delta variant but I have read that sinovac isn't looking good against the beta. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/17/chinas-sinovac-vaccine-under-scrutiny-as-covid-soars-in-highly-vaccinated-countries/?sh=5b0cf6191444

 

I guess it took balls to say the obvious  and "70% with a quality vaccine" numbers would be specific enough to dictate the timeline of 120 days is not happening.   70% means 2 shots not one.  Thailand is trying to make up their own definition of 1 shot as it doubles their numbers.  A TAT trick that fools the math illiterate masses.   No more flip flopping.  That's bold to say.  

As far as reaching 70% I don't think 70% would take any vaccine no matter what.   Just look at USA.  Vaccines so easy to get but hardly any takers.   The anti folks are going to be responsible for letting this virus mutate into something more sinister and requiring a whole new vaccine.  

 

If you think about it there is no reason most governments or drug companies would want to eradicate this covid 100%.

Edited July 1, 2021 by Elkski

[connda]

Quality vaccines?  But the average Thai can't afford quality vaccines that are marked up 200%+ over their already expensive costs. 
The Thai government can only afford to give the commoners the cheap stuff that special connected Thais make their profits from.  Nothing like serious conflicts of interests to damper a Covid party.

[dinsdale]

Let me take the business out of the businessman. Free testing and free "quality" as he says, vaccines. Doing this the debacle created by the morons in charge should see the situation under control by the end of next year. Mr. Empty Head thinks Thailand will open in October this year. Well I for one disagree.

Edited July 1, 2021 by dinsdale

[Blumpie]

14 minutes ago, Elkski said:

How can a business man be respected if he says you need to get 70% vaccinated with a quality jab and not denounce the 120 days as 100% impossible?  

I'm not up to speed on the latest effectiveness of the vaccines in use in Thailand or the World with the beta and delta variant but I have read that sinovac isn't looking good against the beta. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/17/chinas-sinovac-vaccine-under-scrutiny-as-covid-soars-in-highly-vaccinated-countries/?sh=5b0cf6191444

 

I guess it took balls to say the obvious  and "70% with a quality vaccine" numbers would be specific enough to dictate the timeline of 120 days is not happening.   70% means 2 shots not one.  Thailand is trying to make up their own definition of 1 shot as it doubles their numbers.  A TAT trick that fools the math illiterate masses.   No more flip flopping.  That's bold to say.  

As far as reaching 70% I don't think 70% would take any vaccine no matter what.   Just look at USA.  Vaccines so easy to get but hardly any takers.   The anti folks are going to be responsible for letting this virus mutate into something more sinister and requiring a whole new vaccine.  

 

If you think about it there is no reason most governments or drug companies would want to eradicate this covid 100%.

Yes and yes. 

The pandemic has completely changed.  it used to be space out the shots to get the most protected but that's no longer the case.  You require 2 shots to be protected not one.  One is not enough.  Therefore, you need 140000000 doses in Thailand to inoculate its population.  It's a staggering number and they haven't even started yet, in the grand scheme of things.  

This year and the first part of 2022 is a complete and total write off.  

[kimamey]

1 hour ago, connda said:

Quality vaccines?  But the average Thai can't afford quality vaccines that are marked up 200%+ over their already expensive costs. 
The Thai government can only afford to give the commoners the cheap stuff that special connected Thais make their profits from.  Nothing like serious conflicts of interests to damper a Covid party.

I don't know what the proportions of different vaccines are in Thailand so I can only go by the few people I know.

 

My wife who is 51 has had one and her second I think is later this month. She had Sinovac. Her daughter who is 26 had one early last month but the second isn't until somewhen in October. My wife's sister who I think is around 45 or 46 had one this week and the second is in September. They are both having AstraZeneca. I've no idea why there's such a gap with her daughter and I've suggested they check that. All three work in civil government with my wife in Mahasarakham and her sister and daughter in Bangkok. Her mother who is 79 and lives with us is registered but hasn't had anything yet. If we can get it privately we will.

 

It all seems a bit of a mess but of the three people I know two have had AZ which is good quality but shouldn't be too expensive due to AZ and Oxford University being non profit at the moment. I'm not sure about the Chinese and Russian vaccines. They may well be ok but I think the problem is the respective governments tend to put national pride as a higher priority and may not be as transparent about the results of clinical trials. Not that others don't tend to lean that way as well but they can't avoid scrutiny as easily. It may be that Sinovac for example could be perfectly ok but the distrust that the Chinese government causes slows the acceptance of the vaccine.

 

I've not been keeping up to date so I'm not sure how many vaccines are being used in Thailand.

[wensiensheng]

9 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

The 70% of population will be about one year from now.

Hopefully, when completed new variants will not make all those jabs obsolete or boosters required.

At the average daily vaccination rate since 7th June, 402 days is about when 100 million doses will have been jabbed.

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11 hours ago, J Town said:

No one will ever convince me there aren't stacks of brown envelopes pending the use of the Chinese vaccine which has been shown as ineffective.

You should learn the difference between "less effective" and "ineffective". The Chinese vaccines have not been shown to be ineffective.

[MrJ2U]

12 hours ago, J Town said:

It's really just that simple!

I think with COVID-19 70% isnt going to be enough.  The "herd immunity" thinking doesn't work with all the variants.  That said Ill be surprised that Thailand can immunize 30% of the population with two doses by years end.

 

Sinovac, Sinopharm, and Astra Zeneca may prove to almost useless against the Delta variant.

 

 

[Patong2021]

Sadly, 70% has not been an acceptable full vaccination point for the past 6 months. The number is now closer to 85%-90% because of the  more infectious and difficult Delta variants. 70% vaccinated using vaccines that are  not particularly effective will create a false sense of security.

 

[tlcwaterfall]

11 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

I think with COVID-19 70% isnt going to be enough.  The "herd immunity" thinking doesn't work with all the variants.  That said Ill be surprised that Thailand can immunize 30% of the population with two doses by years end.

 

Sinovac, Sinopharm, and Astra Zeneca may prove to almost useless against the Delta variant.

 

 

The Delta COVID-19 variant is more infectious – but there's 'promising' data on vaccines and deadliness - ABC News

 

Many reliable sources on the net are saying current vaccines provide very effective protection against the Delta variant.

Edited July 2, 2021 by tlcwaterfall

[NicholasTH]

I think it's going to take three years to recover.? he seems to overlook this is a globe issue.. even foreign countries who are using Pfizer-BioNTech / Moderna are having plenty of issues still. even some airlines are still doing more downsizing due to the fact there are still many restrictions in place. even here where I'm based tourism shops are still very much suffering because there are no tourism coming to the captal of Edinburgh.. maybe on avenge week some shops are basically only getting three customer or less and are screaming for more support from the government .. it seems to me honestly there are a lot of delusional people within the government / tat .. frankly .. 

[sapson]

On 7/1/2021 at 10:26 AM, webfact said:

They have said that Prayuth Chan-o-cha's government needs to get 70% of the population vaccinated with quality vaccines.

 

And they should have clearly articulated policies and communication. 

 

I would imagine the average eight year old could have figured that out, but sadly it remains well above the capabilities of Pinocchio his gang at the moment.