18 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

I don't socialise with old people.   Nor do the people I know.    

Are you ever in the same room (at immigration, a bank, a supermarket) as an “old” person? Does an “old” person ever get in a taxi after you vacate it?

 

I won’t go on. Your implied assertion that you live in a bubble segregated from “old” people is blatant trolling.

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Among those, 2,002 COVID patients listed in critical condition, also a pandemic record high.

 

Among those, 579 requiring ventilators to breathe, also a pandemic record high.

This is an ugly statistic and one that unfortunately will only get worse before it even starts to get better.  Does anyone know how many ventilators and ICU beds Thailand has throughout the nation. If they have not already started to take over Hotels and create negative pressure rooms they need to get a start on this as that is what is needed to assist those in distress.

18 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

I don't socialise with old people.   Nor do the people I know.    

I don’t think you quite understand how the chain of infections works.

1 minute ago, wensiensheng said:

Are you ever in the same room (at immigration, a bank, a supermarket) as an “old” person? Does an old person ever get in a taxi after you vacate it?

 

I won’t go on. Your implied assertion that you live in a bubble segregated from “old people” is blatant trolling.

Disagree........blatant stupidity would be nearer the mark.

 

Just now, wensiensheng said:

Are you ever in the same room (at immigration, a bank, a supermarket) as an “old” person? Does an old person ever get in a taxi after you vacate it?

 

I won’t go on. Your implied assertion that you live in a bubble segregated from “old people” is blatant trolling.

 

Yes, but I wear a mask in those situations.    Are you suggesting that masks are ineffective? 

26 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

 

You accused me of having a restaurant or bar and selfishly wanting to open things up for personal reasons, I merely corrected you.   Poverty is a killer and I would like to see measures in place that prevent this as much as possible by allowing businesses that have outdoor options to continue with sensible restrictions such as 50% capacity.   

 

The mistake Sweden made was to let it spread in care homes.   I am not proposing the same mistakes are repeated, but everything that happened after that.  

Its ok I now know you don't have a bar now as you've pointed out  your online business where in your spare time you party with friends in the very large villa you have, its ok I've got it really.

 

Yea right so of the 14,500 deaths so far in Sweden 4,000 of those were in care homes which leaves 10,000. 

 

So with Thailand deaths at just 2,100 you've got plenty of leeway as its acceptable for at least another 8,000 deaths to occur here in Thailand through covid. EDIT with per capita deaths that would actually be another 40,000 deaths in Thailand.

 

One reminder for you to consider, Sweden suffered from the ancestral strain of Covid, not the highly infectious alpha or delta that are in Thailand and far worse for hospitalization and deaths.

 

Now on ignore so feel free to reciprocate as I've got nothing else to say to you

14 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Thailand passes 2,000 COVID patients hospitalized in critical condition for the first time:

 

54,440 COVID patients hospitalized, a pandemic record high.

 

Among those, 2,002 COVID patients listed in critical condition, also a pandemic record high.

 

Among those, 579 requiring ventilators to breathe, also a pandemic record high.

 

The 61 new deaths for the day marks Thailand's third consecutive day for making new record highs for COVID deaths, following 53 on Wednesday and 57 on Thursday.

 

The 6,087 new COVID cases reported is almost double the number of cases reported just two weeks ago (3,058 on June 18).

 

Note that walk-in hospital cases still aren’t topping 4,000, just 3,905 today. That number indicates we are going to see many more infections over the next few days.

 

I don’t think there can be more than 4,000 hospital walk-in cases, due to bed shortages, so 3,905 may  be the system maxing out.

2 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

 

Yes, but I wear a mask in those situations.    Are you suggesting that masks are ineffective? 

I don’t need to suggest, it’s a proven fact that they do not provide 100% protection. They reduce the possibility of infection.

 

forgive me if I have misunderstood, weren’t you originally suggesting restaurants should open? How does your mask work then I wonder?

3 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

 

Yes, but I wear a mask in those situations.    Are you suggesting that masks are ineffective? 

Face masks are partially effective in reducing transmission of the virus.

 

It’s great that you are taking some precautions.

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Note that walk-in hospital cases still aren’t topping 4,000, just 3,905 today. That number indicates we are going to see many more infections over the next few days.

....and that ignores the fact at least two major state hospitals, plus some/all of the private hospitals, are refusing to test for covid incase people return a positive result and they then have to deal with them.

 

 

 Latest update on vaccination rates by selected provinces:

 

Phuket province and its tourist sandbox is just barely making 70% of its population having received one shot, and just 56% having received both shots.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106455480972785/356183732666624/?type=3

 

For the English names for the provinces listed above, see the translations in yesterday's version of the chart:

 

 

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

....and that ignores the fact at least two major state hospitals, plus some/all of the private hospitals, are refusing to test for covid incase people return a positive result and they then have to deal with them.

We may be seeing the maximum number of new cases that the system can handle, both in terms of hospital admissions and testing.

11 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

 

Yes, but I wear a mask in those situations.    Are you suggesting that masks are ineffective? 

He did not even mention masks......decided you were losing that one eh?

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

I think so too........and deaths are probably (no evidence) hospital deaths.........and exclude home deaths easily written off as other causes.    

 

Excess deaths (if all deaths are recorded correctly) is the key.

Excess death data takes a long time to be accurately measured and published.

13 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

This is an ugly statistic and one that unfortunately will only get worse before it even starts to get better.  Does anyone know how many ventilators and ICU beds Thailand has throughout the nation. If they have not already started to take over Hotels and create negative pressure rooms they need to get a start on this as that is what is needed to assist those in distress.

 

They've been adding critical care bed facilities both to existing field hospital locations, and turning some permanent locations that had been being used as field hospitals for lower level patients into dedicated facilities for more seriously ill ones. As well as supposedly opening up government military hospital facilities for that purpose.

 

At some point, though, it also becomes a question of having enough doctors, nurses and other medical support staff to look after all these patients.  I'm guessing that ends up being a tougher constraint than the physical facilities do.

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

They've been adding critical care bed facilities both to existing field hospital locations, and turning some permanent locations that had been being used as field hospitals for lower level patients into dedicated facilities for more seriously ill ones. As well as supposedly opening up government military hospital facilities for that purpose.

 

At some point, though, it also becomes a question of having enough doctors, nurses and other medical support staff to look after all these patients.  I'm guessing that ends up being a tougher constraint than the physical facilities do.

You also have to assume, having witnessed the horrors the Delta variant visited upon India, that oxygen is plentiful??????

1 minute ago, wensiensheng said:

I don’t need to suggest, it’s a proven fact that they do not provide 100% protection. They reduce the possibility of infection.

 

forgive me if I have misunderstood, weren’t you originally suggesting restaurants should open? How does your mask work then I wonder?

 

Yes, but I think the government here have the focus wrong.   They seem to think that indoor dining without alcohol is safer than outdoor dining with alcohol and even the most hardened lockdown believers cannot possibly agree with that.    A restaurant is  sit-down activity so easy enough with 50% capacity to provide enough space between tables not to worry about spreading outdoors.   

 

In my covid prevention world immigration offices, banks and anything else that involves simple "paperwork" gets shifted online or done by mail.   Anything that can be done outdoors should be done outdoors.    I would accept that regardless of rules younger folks will continue to drink with their friends so I would ensure that they have safe, controlled places where they can do so.    I would control the numbers allowed in markets at any one time and close them down for 2 weeks if they transgress.    But this is just scratching the surface - factories, hospitals etc will have to continue to operate and that is where the main spread comes from.   

 

I'm not a complete madman.  I just want as many people to survive this as possible and accept not everyone can be saved.   I think too much focus on one thing will lead to too many deaths of another and I think overall Sweden had the balance about right.    I think when young people start to kill themselves due to poverty the balance is not right.    

6 minutes ago, James105 said:

Yes, but I think the government here have the focus wrong.   They seem to think that indoor dining without alcohol is safer than outdoor dining with alcohol

Which person has stated this bar you? I have read that indoor dining is more risky than outdoor dining. I have also seen claims that alcohol consumption makes people behave in riskier ways. Your attempt to mix and match is dishonest silliness.

Sounds like CCSA is now talking about more restrictions for Bangkok as the province once again sets a new record high for daily cases at 2,267--about double the case count from just one week ago.

 

Government spokeswoman says more details will be forthcoming from Bangkok's governor.

 

 

(screenshot from televised government news briefing)

 

This is Thailand's and Bangkok province's daily new case tallies for the past week including today:

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106455480972785/356183296000001/?type=3

 

 

 

 

Meanwhile, the PM wasting time greeting the handful of visitors to Phuket like some taxi driver.   Get back to work getting mucho vaccines now.

Finally fresh positivity rate for Bangkok at 11.36% which is a figure that is far to high and indicates far more testing is needed to get the true number of infected people identified and slow the spread

 

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1410839943874637828

 

That aged just as well as.................... "there is no border down the Irish Sea"

Government spokeswoman touts that Thailand's COVID vaccination program is progressing rapidly and that they've now given more than 10 million vaccine doses...

 

What she doesn't say or mention is that Thailand continues to give less than half of the number of daily doses it needs to give in order to meet its own self-declared goal of getting 70% of the country fully vaccinated by the end of the year.  The current fully vaccinated rate for Thailand is just 4%.

 

 

(screenshot from televised government news briefing)

 

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

That aged just as well as.................... "there is no border down the Irish Sea"

Thailand’s third wave of Covid-19 has reached its peak and should gradually decline over the next week or two, according to Disease Control Department chief

 

Dr Opas Karnkawinpong. On Thursday he credited the public for cooperating to control the latest outbreak, which has spawned more than 1,000 cases per day over the past week.

However, pubs, bars, parties were still adding to the daily caseload despite the government order to close entertainment venues and ban parties, he warned. People who were organising events that resulted in infections and quarantining should be punished according to the law, he added.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40000123

 

ooops and he's the one that advises Prayut!!!

All schools, kindergartens in Khon Kaen closed till July 16 amid COVID-19 spread

 

All schools, kindergartens and child development centres in Thailand’s northeastern province of Khon Kaen have been ordered to close until July 16th amid an ongoing surge of COVID-19 infections in the province and elsewhere.

 

Boarding education institutes, including those teaching children with special needs, have been sealed, with children remaining in the compounds and parental visits barred until July 16th, according to yesterday’s announcement, citing concerns over the current rapid spread of the coronavirus.

 

https://www.thailandnews.co/2021/07/all-schools-kindergartens-in-khon-kaen-closed-till-july-16-amid-covid-19-spread/

 

15 minutes ago, newnative said:

Meanwhile, the PM wasting time greeting the handful of visitors to Phuket like some taxi driver.   Get back to work getting mucho vaccines now.

Arriving first day is cowardly, he needs to appear 3-6 weeks from now, or longer and then comment on the arrival numbers for the Islanders...... 

 

Severe Shortage of COVID Beds Continues in Bangkok

 

BANGKOK, July 2 (TNA) – The severe shortage of hospital beds for COVID-19 patients in Bangkok will continue in the next 7-14 days, according to Deputy Public Health Minister Sathit Pitutecha.

 

After meeting representatives of the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration and medical schools on Thursday, Mr Sathit said that the shortages of hospital beds for critically ill COVID-19 patients were very serious and all concerned parties were attempting to solve the problem.

 

BMA was trying to increase beds for yellow- and red-coded patients at Bang Khun Thian and Ratchaphiphat hospitals but the increments that would start on approximately July 10 might not be enough regarding the huge backlog of people’s requests for hospital beds through hotlines 1668 and 1669, he said.

 

Mr Sathit said that the hospital bed shortage would continue in the capital in the next 7-14 days and some people could die while waiting for hospital admission.

 

https://tna.mcot.net/english-news-730126

 

...the huge backlog of people’s requests for hospital beds through hotlines 1668 and 1669...

 

...some people could die while waiting for hospital admission...

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The severe shortage of hospital beds for COVID-19 patients in Bangkok will continue in the next 7-14 days, according to Deputy Public Health Minister Sathit Pitutecha.

..............and this prediction is based the square root of a prediction made by TAT divided by pi?

11 minutes ago, CANSIAM said:

Arriving first day is cowardly, he needs to appear 3-6 weeks from now, or longer and then comment on the arrival numbers for the Islanders...... 

 

IMHO, there was more than a little bizarre irony to the guy going to Phuket to celebrate the sandbox opening on the same day (Thursday) in which Thailand...

 

--set a new daily record for daily COVID cases (which was then surpassed again today)

 

--set a new daily record for daily COVID deaths (which was then surpassed again today)

 

--set new daily records for COVID patients in critical condition and those on ventilators (both records which were then surpassed again today).

 

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

..............and this prediction is based the square root of a prediction made by TAT divided by pi?

That would be Apple pie Sir.