1 minute ago, DrJack54 said:

In Oz we call it stand philosopher otherwise know as  B.S Artist.

Good call, digger.

So this means that tourists or returning expats heading to the sandbox also have to contend with automatic transfer to quarantine if just one person on the flight tests positive on arrival. I wonder if they know that before they jumped through all the hoops to get a COE only to find this hidden clause.

 

A foreign tourist, who flew to Phuket from Dubai, the United Arab Emirates, tested positive for COVID-19 last night and has been admitted to hospital for treatment, prompting a two-week quarantine of 13 other passengers travelling on the same flight.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/first-tourist-under-phuket-sandbox-reopening-test-positive-for-covid-19/

30 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Do you have a source for this or is it pure speculation?

The latter.

1 hour ago, wensiensheng said:

these guys are fighting tanks with knives.

 

 Unfortunately the same situation with the protesting population for many years otherwise these sociopaths would have been long gone!

15 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

So this means that tourists or returning expats heading to the sandbox also have to contend with automatic transfer to quarantine if just one person on the flight tests positive on arrival. I wonder if they know that before they jumped through all the hoops to get a COE only to find this hidden clause.

 

A foreign tourist, who flew to Phuket from Dubai, the United Arab Emirates, tested positive for COVID-19 last night and has been admitted to hospital for treatment, prompting a two-week quarantine of 13 other passengers travelling on the same flight.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/first-tourist-under-phuket-sandbox-reopening-test-positive-for-covid-19/

I did mention something about fine (scam) print and imagine if they'e on a 2 week holiday and if the rumoured lockdown materialises what that will me for the rest of them?

8 hours ago, dinsdale said:

New daily record of community infections. Up it goes. As for fourth wave well this is just deflection. The so-called third wave started mid-April and we all know why and has continued on an upward trajectory. It's still the third wave. This would have to be brought completely under control before another wave can be called a fourth wave.

You're right, but I have my doubts that a different number of waves will change the result: Thailand will face rising cases as predicted by Thai doctors. If you want to know the future just have a look what happened in EU or US or many other contries in the world. ????

30 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

So this means that tourists or returning expats heading to the sandbox also have to contend with automatic transfer to quarantine if just one person on the flight tests positive on arrival. I wonder if they know that before they jumped through all the hoops to get a COE only to find this hidden clause.

 

A foreign tourist, who flew to Phuket from Dubai, the United Arab Emirates, tested positive for COVID-19 last night and has been admitted to hospital for treatment, prompting a two-week quarantine of 13 other passengers travelling on the same flight.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/first-tourist-under-phuket-sandbox-reopening-test-positive-for-covid-19/

So what did you do on your 2 week holiday in Phuket, Ahmed? I checked into my hotel but before I had spent even one night there I was rounded up with the rest of the group, put on a bus and incarcerated in another hotel which I had to pay for in addition to the one I had booked and paid for which was nice with a sea view.  The new room was absolutely crappy with a view of the hotel air conditioning system which frequently broke down and took them a long time to fix each time.  Food sent to my room was awful. No drink.  No girls or boys.  My mate who tested positive got a huge hospital bill for absolutely minimal treatment in a run down hospital.  The worst of it was that we were charged 1,000 baht each for the involuntary transfer to the crappy hotel that was only 10 minutes away.  None of us are even going to that god foresaken island again.

4 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

So what did you do on your 2 week holiday in Phuket, Ahmed? I checked into my hotel but before I had spent even one night there I was rounded up with the rest of the group, put on a bus and incarcerated in another hotel which I had to pay for in addition to the one I had booked and paid for which was nice with a sea view.  The new room was absolutely crappy with a view of the hotel air conditioning system which frequently broke down and took them a long time to fix each time.  Food sent to my room was awful. No drink.  No girls or boys.  My mate who tested positive got a huge hospital bill for absolutely minimal treatment in a run down hospital.  The worst of it was that we were charged 1,000 baht each for the involuntary transfer to the crappy hotel that was only 10 minutes away.  None of us are even going to that god foresaken island again.

....and get this 13 others in my group didn't even have covid and they had the same treatment!

According to the Center for COVID-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) Spokesperson Dr. Taweesin Visanuyothin infections related to the different variants, which accounted for 22.5% of all the infections in Bangkok during April and up to June 20th, have jumped to 52% between June 28th and July 2nd, with infections tending to increase.

 

He said that the meeting at the Ministry of Public Health today discussed the infections related to the Delta, Alpha and Beta variants.

 

Information to July 2nd shows the Alpha variant now accounts for 65.1 % of all infections, 32.2% for the Delta variant and 2.6% for the Beta variant, which is still mostly limited to the deep southern provinces, but is spreading to Surat Thani and Chon Buri.

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/posts/10158126602637050

7 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Reported in the B Post, today:

 

The Centre for Covid-19 Situation Admininistration (CCSA) would be willing to consider any proposal from the Ministry of Public Health for a lockdown to curb the spread of Covid-19 National Security Council secretary-general Natthapon Nakpanich said on Wednesday.

Gen Natthapon, the CCSA's chief of operations, said he had heard talk of a lockdown. There was no official proposal so far, but if proposed the centre was ready to consider it.

 

 

In recent days, the cases have been rising in outlying areas/provinces, and actually are down from their peaks in Bangkok.  So if they were going to lock down, just where would they be locking down exactly?

 

Though I guess a lockdown in BKK and surrounding areas, apart from their volume of cases, might be seen as an effort to stop the spread of the Delta variant to outlying provinces.

 

Delta already is the dominant variant in BKK, but remains a minority variant in outlying provinces...at least for now.

 

 

Singapore omits Sinovac shots from COVID-19 vaccination tally

 

SINGAPORE, July 7 (Reuters) - People who received Sinovac Biotech (SVA.O) shots are excluded from Singapore's count of total vaccinations against COVID-19, officials in the city state said, citing inadequate efficacy data for the Chinese-made vaccine, especially against the contagious Delta variant.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/singapore-not-counting-sinovac-shots-covid-19-vaccination-tally-2021-07-07/

1 minute ago, anchadian said:

Singapore omits Sinovac shots from COVID-19 vaccination tally

 

SINGAPORE, July 7 (Reuters) - People who received Sinovac Biotech (SVA.O) shots are excluded from Singapore's count of total vaccinations against COVID-19, officials in the city state said, citing inadequate efficacy data for the Chinese-made vaccine, especially against the contagious Delta variant.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/singapore-not-counting-sinovac-shots-covid-19-vaccination-tally-2021-07-07/

So does this mean that those vaccinated with the Sinovac will be denied as being vaccinated and will have to obtain 2 new vaccine jabs of an approved vaccine.  Crazy days ahead.

7 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

An earlier post indicated that a field hospital added 1,500 new beds, which creates an opportunity for another 1,500 cases to be recorded.

Until you throw into the equation the hundreds, if not thousands still awaiting a bed after been confirmed positive. As said before, if 3000 released, 6000 positive, that's 3000 more added to the list of those waiting. At what point do they reduce testing to try and reduce those waiting for a bed?

6 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Singapore omits Sinovac shots from COVID-19 vaccination tally

 

SINGAPORE, July 7 (Reuters) - People who received Sinovac Biotech (SVA.O) shots are excluded from Singapore's count of total vaccinations against COVID-19, officials in the city state said, citing inadequate efficacy data for the Chinese-made vaccine, especially against the contagious Delta variant.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/singapore-not-counting-sinovac-shots-covid-19-vaccination-tally-2021-07-07/

 

And meanwhile, Thailand yesterday commits to buying 10 million more Sinovac doses for 6+ billion baht.... in part because its own production of locally made AZ vaccine is going to be half or so of the promised 10 million doses per month for July and August...

 

I wonder if the Chinese are offering a money back guarantee??? ????And Sinovac remains approved by the WHO... but not the U.S. FDA/CDC...  Hmmmm......

 

 

6 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Okay. There is a problem with your suggested methodology, which is:

 

Day 1: low numbers

Day 2: spike

Day 3: even higher numbers.

 

under this scenario, you stated that the day 1 numbers would be an artifact of low lab processing.

 

The problem is that the Day 3 in our case is today, but there cannot be higher numbers because the official  numbers are limited by capacity.

That doesn't explain why in the near past there have been occasional tumbles followed by no jump when figures were lower. Unless you claim that testing capacity has been massively increased.

Non-urgent surgery at Krathum Baen district hospital on hold after medics infected with COVID-19

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/non-urgent-surgery-at-krathum-baen-district-hospital-on-hold-after-medics-infected-with-covid-19/

8 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

And meanwhile, Thailand yesterday commits to buying 10 million more Sinovac doses for 6+ billion baht.... in part because its own production of locally made AZ vaccine is going to be half or so of the promised 10 million doses per month for July and August...

 

I wonder if the Chinese are offering a money back guarantee??? ????And Sinovac remains approved by the WHO... but not the U.S. FDA/CDC...  Hmmmm......

 

 

Did Sinovac submit its vaccine for approval by the US FDA?

7 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Singapore omits Sinovac shots from COVID-19 vaccination tally

 

SINGAPORE, July 7 (Reuters) - People who received Sinovac Biotech (SVA.O) shots are excluded from Singapore's count of total vaccinations against COVID-19, officials in the city state said, citing inadequate efficacy data for the Chinese-made vaccine, especially against the contagious Delta variant.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/singapore-not-counting-sinovac-shots-covid-19-vaccination-tally-2021-07-07/

Sinovac has mainly been given in Singapore to Chinese nationals and others wanting to travel to China which requires vaccination with a Chinese vacine.  Many businessmen in Singapore and HK, who have to to go to China, have had Sinovac jabs on top of Pfizer or Moderna.  Ridiculous requirement by the Chinese. 

 

In Thailand the government's continuing insistence on wasting taxpayers' money on this quite probably dangerous vaccine in the face of growing evidence of its ineffectiveness is building up to be like the solid plastic bomb detectors purchased for the army by Prayut as commander in chief.  It seems quite possible that a low efficacy vaccine will help develop vaccine resistant strains. 

7 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Non-urgent surgery at Krathum Baen district hospital on hold after medics infected with COVID-19

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/non-urgent-surgery-at-krathum-baen-district-hospital-on-hold-after-medics-infected-with-covid-19/

We had a report yesterday of another hospital doing the same, this is going to be widespread very soon. The predictions by many of Thailand's top health experts are now materializing, a collapse of the health service at least within Bangkok and surrounding provinces and if left to spread as it is now then this will also be the pattern in other provinces.

 

Awful scenario dawning upon everyone here in Thailand

If you look at what is happening in Indonesia today I ask myself if Thailand is so different.  And when you think about this one must be truly concerned about the next several months.  I don't see the social distancing any more.  Besides the numerous closed businesses and Bangkok plates thing are pretty busy here in Chiang Mai.  And the cases are going up.  And Delta is here.  And..... 

Oh no, oh no, oh no no no no no:

 

Two million more doses of China's #Sinovac #COVID19 #vaccine were delivered today, according to the Chinese Embassy in Bangkok, bringing the total of the vaccine delivered to #Thailand to 14.5 million doses. The delivery comes amid calls for other makes especially those of mRNA.

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiPBSWorld/status/1412730443686768645

 

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Did Sinovac submit its vaccine for approval by the US FDA?

 

That's a good question. I don't think Sinovac ever did...in part because I think it became pretty clear they (Sinovac) weren't going to be willing or able to produce the kind of credible proof of efficacy that the U.S. authorities would expect.

 

Sinovac Vaccine Falls Short of Expectations, But Options Limited

 

"Better than nothing. 

 

That's one infectious disease expert's assessment of Sinovac Biotech's COVID-19 vaccine, following reports that hundreds of Indonesian health care workers who had received the vaccine caught the disease anyway.  

 

At least 10 doctors have died despite having been fully vaccinated with two doses of Sinovac's CoronaVac vaccine, according to the Indonesian Medical Association. 

 

It's unclear how widespread these "breakthrough" infections are. It's also not clear how severe most of the infections are. Little peer-reviewed data on the vaccine are available.

 

What information is available suggests that the vaccine is less potent than others, especially against the highly contagious delta variant that was first detected in India.  

 

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/sinovac-vaccine-falls-short-expectations-options-limited

 

 

5 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Oh no, oh no, oh no no no no no:

 

Two million more doses of China's #Sinovac #COVID19 #vaccine were delivered today, according to the Chinese Embassy in Bangkok, bringing the total of the vaccine delivered to #Thailand to 14.5 million doses. The delivery comes amid calls for other makes especially those of mRNA.

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiPBSWorld/status/1412730443686768645

 

Just adding to the Chinese money making machine:

 

Chinese COVID vaccine manufacturers Sinovac and Sinopharm could each rack up sales of more than $16 billion this year, according to to estimates by research firm Airfinity.

 

https://twitter.com/eolander/status/1412550405733588995

 

Before I get immediately followed up with the US or where ever are doing the same, my point is that in my view the very least the Chinese could do is offer the same terms as UK Oxford UNI insisted with AZ, not for profit for the pandemic period.

 

That would have been the ethical and morally correct decision since this all started there.

 

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

In recent days, the cases have been rising in outlying areas/provinces, and actually are down from their peaks in Bangkok.  So if they were going to lock down, just where would they be locking down exactly?

 

Though I guess a lockdown in BKK and surrounding areas, apart from their volume of cases, might be seen as an effort to stop the spread of the Delta variant to outlying provinces.

 

Delta already is the dominant variant in BKK, but remains a minority variant in outlying provinces...at least for now.

 

 

It’s an interesting point. Bangkok may be late in the day to lockdown and they are unlikely to do the whole country. So wider community spread is the likely outcome. In any case, it seems they can’t stop the spread to the countryside as it already there and probably self sustaining at this point.

 

I wonder if the fall in Bangkok numbers is due to the hospitals already being full, so therefore limited testing going on even for people turning up? or is it because people left the capital, or because of some kind of peak in the virus for some reason (can’t think what).

 

that’s the trouble of allowing cases to rise to such an extent that there’s not  enough resources from testing to hospitals. the data becomes weaker and weaker and then it’s hard to know what’s going on, and that makes it hard to make the right decisions.

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Just adding to the Chinese money making machine:

 

Chinese COVID vaccine manufacturers Sinovac and Sinopharm could each rack up sales of more than $16 billion this year, according to to estimates by research firm Airfinity.

 

https://twitter.com/eolander/status/1412550405733588995

 

Before I get immediately followed up with the US or where ever are doing the same, my point is that in my view the very least the Chinese could do is offer the same terms as UK Oxford UNI insisted with AZ, not for profit for the pandemic period.

 

That would have been the ethical and morally correct decision since this all started there.

 

Ethics and morality I have strong doubts that it is in the creed of the chinese communist party

 

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3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Netizens demand subsidies for their Moderna vaccines via a trending hashtag

 

"On Wednesday, Thais who paid to book vaccines from Moderna asked the government to subsidize their payments. They took to social media with #ทวงคืนค่าโมเดอน่า (“reclaim Moderna fee”) to vent their anger.

 

They argue that the government should have brought in the vaccine and provided it for free. The government, however, has resisted doing so and is red taping purchases by businesses, they added.

...

The high price, difficulties in booking and lack of clear communication from the government resulted in the hashtag, which is currently trending and surpassed 100,000 tweets on Wednesday morning.

 

(more)

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29491/netizens-demand-subsidies-for-their-moderna-vaccines-via-a-trending-hashtag/

 

As the article explains, part of the reason the locals are unhappy about the Moderna situation is that the government said that the Pfizer doses it just ordered for delivery later in the year (unlike the Moderna doses sourced for private hospitals) will be given free as part of the government's vaccination program.

So they need to get the conscripts vaccinated ahead of the more vulnerable because they are forced to do menial work in officers's homes.  Let them have Sinovac. It won't protect them or the oficers' families from COVID but it will confer other benefits.

 

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

That doesn't explain why in the near past there have been occasional tumbles followed by no jump when figures were lower. Unless you claim that testing capacity has been massively increased.

Tell you what, give us an alternate explanation why testing numbers were so low 3 days ago, followed by a big jump the next day.  Do you think the epidemic was taking a rest for a day? Or that less people felt sick for one day?

 

my explanation is simple: the labs didn’t get to all the samples one day, but made up the difference the next day.

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

So this means that tourists or returning expats heading to the sandbox also have to contend with automatic transfer to quarantine if just one person on the flight tests positive on arrival. I wonder if they know that before they jumped through all the hoops to get a COE only to find this hidden clause.

 

A foreign tourist, who flew to Phuket from Dubai, the United Arab Emirates, tested positive for COVID-19 last night and has been admitted to hospital for treatment, prompting a two-week quarantine of 13 other passengers travelling on the same flight.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/first-tourist-under-phuket-sandbox-reopening-test-positive-for-covid-19/

 

Evidently the number 13 is not a lucky number, tourists suddenly become patients in prison, this sandbox is not very attractive.

 

1 hour ago, Petey11 said:

Until you throw into the equation the hundreds, if not thousands still awaiting a bed after been confirmed positive. As said before, if 3000 released, 6000 positive, that's 3000 more added to the list of those waiting. At what point do they reduce testing to try and reduce those waiting for a bed?

This is a very good point.

 

So far, the authorities have not shown any plans to deal with a major increase in cases. The Suvarnaphumi field hospital would be overwhelmed quickly if cases double.