My /Your best Guess for Pattaya's re-opening

[jacko45k]

8 hours ago, 2009 said:

If you are high risk then you should stay at home. Simple.

 

If you don't want to, it's your risk.

 

But don't keep more than 99% of people at home for less than 1% of at risk people.

What and die of starvation? Perhaps you would have them kill themselves because of depression. Older and infirmed people need support. 

Your less than 1% is also inaccurate. Covid is killing 1.2% in Thailand, 2% in the USA, 2% in France, 2% globally, up to 9% in Peru. These are the people that have made great sacrifices for the young of today, and you would selfishly abandon them? You also ignore the impacts the lockdown is designed to combat. The spread, the hospitals being completely over-run and becoming ineffective, the breeding ground for mutations....

Such short sightedness....

[2009]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

What and die of starvation? Perhaps you would have them kill themselves because of depression. Older and infirmed people need support. 

Your less than 1% is also inaccurate. Covid is killing 1.2% in Thailand, 2% in the USA, 2% in France, 2% globally, up to 9% in Peru. These are the people that have made great sacrifices for the young of today, and you would selfishly abandon them? You also ignore the impacts the lockdown is designed to combat. The spread, the hospitals being completely over-run and becoming ineffective, the breeding ground for mutations....

Such short sightedness....

You are being a little melodramatic.

 

Nobody said abandon them - just that they should be advised to stay at home, not the entire world's population! They can still get food delivery and emotional support from relatives. They could even go out for a weekly shop to get essentials, like many of us have been doing.

 

The point is that if you are not high risk, you would not likely be a burden on the hospitals. You would get a mild illness and manage at home. The hospitals would be reserved for severe cases (which has not been the case thus far in many countries - low risk people taking up beds)

 

Depression? Yes, I worry about the mental health of EVERYONE stuck at home, even more those out of work with depending children!

 

Suicide has gone up during covid. You can subtract those figures from your 1.2% and tell me what percentage you get then? (and also subtract the regular normal death figures from influennza to get a baseline comparing the two viruses).

 

I worry more about children not being able to see friends, socialize, develop normally. I worry about the mental health impacts of children more than elderly. They are now glued to their screens for e-learning 5-8 hours a day. Screen time consumption is related to depression in children among other nasty mental illnesses.

 

And then there are the poor children whose schools have provided zero e-learning. They just get no education cos of this.

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by 2009

[rott]

15 hours ago, HashBrownHarry said:

Agreed.

 

It all depends on individual expectations.

 

If happy for a quiet beach holiday - perfect.

 

If coming for a short trip - not worth it.

 

If coming looking for boogie woogy - not worth it.

I lose track, are we allowed on Pattaya Beach now.? 

[jacko45k]

4 minutes ago, rott said:

I lose track, are we allowed on Pattaya Beach now.? 

No.... there have not been any rule changes.

[Espanol]

16 hours ago, HashBrownHarry said:

It all depends on individual expectations.

 

 

If happy for a quiet beach holiday - perfect.

 

If coming for a short trip - not worth it.

 

If coming looking for boogie woogy - not worth it.

 

If happy for a quiet beach holiday - not worth it because beach is closed.

 

If coming for a short trip - not worth it.

 

If coming looking for boogie woogy - not worth it.

 

 

So not worth it in any case.

 

[rott]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

No.... there have not been any rule changes.

Thought not. 

 

Do keep up Harry and don't be telling people to come here for a quiet beach holiday. 

[HashBrownHarry]

54 minutes ago, Espanol said:

Yes, but this post is about Pattaya.

 

Restaurants also open in Phuket. But that doesn't make Pattaya a better place for tourists. Actually, even worse, because they will better go to Samui or Phuket.

Well noted.

[Rimmer]

Off topic post removed and reply

[Leaver]

On 8/23/2021 at 8:55 AM, jomtienisgood said:

You forgot the buffaloes and little village shops.... All local attractions.. ????

 

Sure to draw a crowd and turn a baht.  ???? 

[jomtienisgood]

8 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

Sure to draw a crowd and turn a baht.  ???? 

Back to real life and nature. ????

[chalawaan]

Qantas/Jetstar yesterday announced no ASEAN flights until at least April 2022 they served Bangkok and Phuket prior. So that's two planeloads still not coming per day...

[Leaver]

On 8/27/2021 at 8:48 AM, jomtienisgood said:

Back to real life and nature. ????

 

And sick buffalo.  ????

[jomtienisgood]

14 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

And sick buffalo.  ????

And the usual ATM . 555555????

[Leaver]

On 8/27/2021 at 9:02 AM, chalawaan said:

Qantas/Jetstar yesterday announced no ASEAN flights until at least April 2022 they served Bangkok and Phuket prior. So that's two planeloads still not coming per day...

 

Now on the red list for Brit's, also.  

[GStewart70]

The most important thing, for numbers, is the restrictions entering Thailand.

Many people think it will be back to the good old days of a 30 day exemption stamp at BBK.

If Thailand are implementing restrictions on restaurants, the border control hastles are still going to be onorous going forward.

[Leaver]

18 minutes ago, GStewart70 said:

The most important thing, for numbers, is the restrictions entering Thailand.

 

Not entirely.

 

Thailand could open up tomorrow, no restrictions at all, but if the home countries of tourists require mandatory 14 day quarantine upon returning from Thailand, at their own expense, then there will be no tourists from those particular countries.  

 

It's not only the restrictions Thailand has, and has not, it's also the restrictions of the various countries of where the tourists will be coming from that will determine the tourism numbers here in the future.

 

Once again, Thailand can not "smoke and mirrors" this one to the world.  70% to 80% of Thai's on the mainland will have to be vaccinated for other countries to allow their citizens to travel to Thailand, without quarantine or isolation upon their return home after a holiday.

 

Edited August 29, 2021 by Leaver

[GStewart70]

4 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

Not entirely.

 

Thailand could open up tomorrow, no restrictions at all, but if the home countries of tourists require mandatory 14 day quarantine upon returning from Thailand, at their own expense, then there will be no tourists from those particular countries.  

 

It's not only the restrictions Thailand has, and has not, it's also the restrictions of the various countries of where the tourists will be coming from that will determine the tourism numbers here in the future.

 

Once again, Thailand can not "smoke and mirrors" this one to the world.  70% to 80% of Thai's on the mainland will have to be vaccinated for other countries to allow their citizens to travel to Thailand, without quarantine or isolation upon their return home after a holiday.

 

That's what i meant. Restrictions.

14 day quarantine etc.

Most importantly the risk of getting carted off to hospital if you or someone sitting near you on the plane even tests positive.

 

[Leaver]

3 minutes ago, GStewart70 said:

That's what i meant. Restrictions.

14 day quarantine etc.

Most importantly the risk of getting carted off to hospital if you or someone sitting near you on the plane even tests positive.

 

 

This is what you posted:  "The most important thing, for numbers, is the restrictions entering Thailand."

 

Merely pointing out that the restrictions for entering Thailand are not necessarily the most important thing.  There are also the restrictions placed on people RETURNING from Thailand.   

 

Thailand could open up, completely, no restrictions at all, tomorrow.  No point, if their tourism market is from countries that require quarantine after returning from Thailand because Thailand is still seen as a high covid risk.     

[GStewart70]

Just now, Leaver said:

 

This is what you posted:  "The most important thing, for numbers, is the restrictions entering Thailand."

 

Merely pointing out that the restrictions for entering Thailand are not necessarily the most important thing.  There are also the restrictions placed on people RETURNING from Thailand.   

 

Thailand could open up, completely, no restrictions at all, tomorrow.  No point, if their tourism market is from countries that require quarantine after returning from Thailand because Thailand is still seen as a high covid risk.     

No one posts anymore because you just want to pick a fight.

I'll let you get back to talking to yourself.

[Leaver]

10 minutes ago, GStewart70 said:

No one posts anymore because you just want to pick a fight.

I'll let you get back to talking to yourself.

 

Seriously?